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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 12:06:54 GMT
www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden-masks-public-executive-powers-covid-19-coronavirus/"The one thing we do know is that these masks make a gigantic difference. I would insist that everybody in public be wearing that masks," Biden continued. "I would do everything possible to make it required that people have to wear masks in public." The mark of a true leader is knowing the line between good governance and freedom. Biden is not a good leader. This reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from NewsRadio. In this case, Matthew is the Democrat party in a situation where they can't lose. Seriously, Biden? You're up in every poll, so what do you do? Tell the American people that, if elected, you're going to use the mighty fist of the federal government to force them to wear masks against their will. The pencil was in the other hand, dude.
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Post by MojoJojo on Jun 29, 2020 12:22:36 GMT
Instead of compensating for the current POTUS's lack of respecting others, (through mask use, social distancing, etc..), by stating he'd mandate their use, Biden should state that he'd promote their use through PSAs and by example.
Mandates will only reinforce resistance.
This brings up an interesting dilemma. Assuming our COVID goal is to reach herd, (via vaccine or community spread - the race is on!) thus stopping it's further spread, what happens when the anti-vaxxers refuse to get immunized? What if there are enough of them opposed to be injected, double down and we still can't reach herd? Many more people will die unnecessarily until we do reach it, through spread instead?
This pandemic is far from over and viewing it as a political issue as opposed to a public health issue will ensure our response is inadequate. :/
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 14:24:43 GMT
Considering that it takes just one stubborn asymptomatic Covid-19 carrier asshole who refuses to wear a mask to infect an entire room of people... Biden is actually right on with this.
However, by the time he takes office, it may be too late, thanks to the current Asshole-in-Chief and his enablers.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jun 29, 2020 14:50:01 GMT
Considering that it takes just one stubborn asymptomatic Covid-19 carrier asshole who refuses to wear a mask to infect an entire room of people... Biden is actually right on with this.
However, by the time he takes office, it may be too late, thanks to the current Asshole-in-Chief and his enablers.
We’ll all already be dead by then.
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 14:56:42 GMT
Considering that it takes just one stubborn asymptomatic Covid-19 carrier asshole who refuses to wear a mask to infect an entire room of people... Biden is actually right on with this.
However, by the time he takes office, it may be too late, thanks to the current Asshole-in-Chief and his enablers.
We’ll all already be dead by then. Polly wanna quacker?
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 15:18:44 GMT
"Nothing to see here, move on, move on..." - LNF Cons
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 29, 2020 16:44:22 GMT
I’m suggesting that I don’t trust government. It likes to introduce temporary policies that wind up becoming permanent. Do you think lockdowns and masks could become permanent? If not, then what kinds of things?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 29, 2020 16:48:07 GMT
The most well known example is probably Sweden. Their results were about as good as ours without all the social chaos. They also failed to protect the nursing homes, which they acknowledged, and in May nearly 50% of covid related deaths there happened in these "care homes". www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836Certainly, that is the most well-known example. How have their numbers compared to those of their immediate neighbours?
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Post by petep on Jun 29, 2020 18:34:58 GMT
It’s not really a debate right? We all know who the far left big centralized gives are throughout history and present day.
I mean, they are beacons of rights and freedoms.
That’s why all the facts leave from florida heading to key west.
Remember all the defectors from the United States to the ussr.
Who wouldn’t want all the choice and freedoms revise places are known for.
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Post by Lomelis on Jun 30, 2020 6:29:06 GMT
The most well known example is probably Sweden. Their results were about as good as ours without all the social chaos. They also failed to protect the nursing homes, which they acknowledged, and in May nearly 50% of covid related deaths there happened in these "care homes". www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52704836Certainly, that is the most well-known example. How have their numbers compared to those of their immediate neighbours? Their numbers are significantly worse than their neighbors. Primarily because of the nursing home issue. Other than that they would have been right there with them. Without shut down their society.
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Post by crepe05 on Jun 30, 2020 12:15:55 GMT
Being required to wear a flimsy quasi-medical mask during a pandemic is tyranny? You might want to adjust your tyranny threshold sensor. You can be fined, businesses shut down, and hauled off to jail for not wearing that flimsy piece of cloth during a "pandemic" that is basically harmless to the vast majority of people. You are giving up all your rights over a big ass lie. Do these emergency declarations really need to continue? Why aren't there real discussions going on, laws being passed, how about some debate? Ya that takes time and maybe you won't get what you want...but that seems to be the problem isn't it? If they ended the "emergencies" tomorrow do you think there would be that big of an issue? Everyone is just going to start dying in the streets or something? What do you think would happen? There aren't "real discussions" going on because it's a National Election year. Politicians are afraid of discussions or decision making during this time. Of course, that's just my opinion. As for the pandemic and the masks, wear the durn masks if not to protect yourself, then do it for other people. You like kids, grannies, gramps, and anyone else who might be especially susceptible to the virus, then wear the mask. Heck, over time, I might even save money on lipstick purchases.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2020 18:57:02 GMT
Their numbers are significantly worse than their neighbors. Primarily because of the nursing home issue. Other than that they would have been right there with them. Without shut down their society. How do you know this? How do you know that the nursing home issue is the reason for inflated numbers rather than "not locking down"? After all, all the Scandinavian countries have nursing homes. Only one didn't lock down.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 2:29:35 GMT
Their numbers are significantly worse than their neighbors. Primarily because of the nursing home issue. Other than that they would have been right there with them. Without shut down their society. How do you know this? How do you know that the nursing home issue is the reason for inflated numbers rather than "not locking down"? After all, all the Scandinavian countries have nursing homes. Only one didn't lock down. Well when you look at where a huge percentage of the deaths occurred logically it would follow that something more was done to protect those at risk people who are already on lockdown then the overall numbers would be better. Spain, Britain, France, Italy all locked down and had worse numbers than Sweden. It seems that locking down wasn't what made any one country more successful.
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Post by bama beau on Jul 1, 2020 5:25:16 GMT
Considering that it takes just one stubborn asymptomatic Covid-19 carrier asshole who refuses to wear a mask to infect an entire room of people... Biden is actually right on with this.
However, by the time he takes office, it may be too late, thanks to the current Asshole-in-Chief and his enablers.
We’ll all already be dead by then. Do you kiss your kids with that mouth?
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Post by bama beau on Jul 1, 2020 5:27:17 GMT
I’m suggesting that I don’t trust government. It likes to introduce temporary policies that wind up becoming permanent. Do you think lockdowns and masks could become permanent? If not, then what kinds of things? Americans calling Canadians to see if they can get them in?
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 5:31:27 GMT
This just about sums up the covidenialists here on LNF.
You know who you are.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 6:17:33 GMT
Naive and stupid is believing that the number of cases is what really matters.
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Post by bama beau on Jul 1, 2020 6:21:22 GMT
Naive and stupid is believing that the number of cases is what really matters. You mean that we can't even agree that in a pandemic, the number of cases matter?
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 6:44:35 GMT
Naive and stupid is believing that the number of cases is what really matters. You mean that we can't even agree that in a pandemic, the number of cases matter? I guess that would depend on the intent of using that statistic. Oddball and Fiddler are using it in an attempt to spread fear and justify the decisions of their political masters but the disease is harmless to the vast majority of people it infects. It's naive and stupid to believe that the number of cases should instill fear, it's naive and stupid for them to think that nobody understands what they are trying to do. They should be using mortality rates but they can't do that anymore because as the number of confirmed cases massively increases it is significantly dropping the mortality rate. It undermines their whole argument which is why they stay away from it. It's all political now. It's about justifying previous decisions made that they supported even if they have to be deceitful. If the intent is to use that data to study how quickly and easily it spreads it would be a useful statistic but that's not the intent here.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 8:03:25 GMT
Naive and stupid is believing that the number of cases is what really matters. You mean that we can't even agree that in a pandemic, the number of cases matter? I would think that in a pandemic the major point is the number of cases.
Anybody who argues differently is not being intellectually honest.
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