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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2020 17:24:34 GMT
Donald lost.
But we got lucky.
If he had not destroyed himself by being such a complete idiot, had he actually been someone who understood the system, our country could have gone down a path of fascism that would likely have harmed us permanently. Never have we come so close to being destroyed.
So what I expect to happen now, is indictments of him and all his cronies. The next person who tries to run on a nationalistic fascist platform needs to know that they will not have such an easy time abusing the office, that legal mechanisms are in place to hold them accountable. I want to see mechanisms implemented that prevent the justice department from being used as a legal shield for the president. The AG works for the people, not the president.
And next, I want to see national mandates for COVID response. If that means everyone wears a mask, then so be it. If we all follow best practices, we can have this beat in a few months. We could have been the model for the world, and instead, we became the worst case scenario. Embarrassing. Easy to fix.
I also want to see an infrastructure bill as soon as possible. Let's get US people working on US problems.
What do you want to see immediately?
Freon
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 8, 2020 17:47:11 GMT
And it begins.
Persecution of political enemies. Check
Authoritarian, unconstitutional mandates, and mass civil rights violations. Check
Some bread and circuses for the peasants. Check
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Post by Maestro on Nov 8, 2020 18:10:55 GMT
Donald lost.
But we got lucky.
If he had not destroyed himself by being such a complete idiot, had he actually been someone who understood the system, our country could have gone down a path of fascism that would likely have harmed us permanently. Never have we come so close to being destroyed.
So what I expect to happen now, is indictments of him and all his cronies. The next person who tries to run on a nationalistic fascist platform needs to know that they will not have such an easy time abusing the office, that legal mechanisms are in place to hold them accountable. I want to see mechanisms implemented that prevent the justice department from being used as a legal shield for the president. The AG works for the people, not the president.
And next, I want to see national mandates for COVID response. If that means everyone wears a mask, then so be it. If we all follow best practices, we can have this beat in a few months. We could have been the model for the world, and instead, we became the worst case scenario. Embarrassing. Easy to fix.
I also want to see an infrastructure bill as soon as possible. Let's get US people working on US problems.
What do you want to see immediately?
Freon
The federal government simply does not have the authority to mandate masks anywhere except perhaps on federal land. The feds can't even force me to wear clothes. These are State issues. I think we should wear masks while the virus is still raging, but the way to do it is for the Feds to preach it and practice it while the States decide how/if/when to enforce it. It would take a Constitutional Amendment to give congress or the president that authority. |
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 8, 2020 18:26:41 GMT
And it begins. Persecution of political enemies. Check Authoritarian, unconstitutional mandates, and mass civil rights violations. Check Some bread and circuses for the peasants. Check
Repost from 2016 I suppose ..
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Post by petep on Nov 8, 2020 18:30:59 GMT
Freon, fascists don’t lower taxes, cut corporate taxes almost in half, support the second amendment, and drastically cut regulations. Those are the exact opposite of what a fascist does.
Seriously, how can you not know the basics.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Nov 8, 2020 18:35:31 GMT
I'm waiting for the Trump Crimes Commission to start work.
Greg
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 8, 2020 18:48:49 GMT
And it begins. Persecution of political enemies. Check Authoritarian, unconstitutional mandates, and mass civil rights violations. Check Some bread and circuses for the peasants. Check
Repost from 2016 I suppose ..
You're really not off the mark, yet you are supporting a whole lot more of that. What happened to the "healing"? What happened to not being a fascist? Or was that just smoke and mirrors? |
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 8, 2020 19:06:50 GMT
Trump is toast.
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 8, 2020 19:16:54 GMT
Repost from 2016 I suppose ..
You're really not off the mark, yet you are supporting a whole lot more of that. What happened to the "healing"? What happened to not being a fascist? Or was that just smoke and mirrors?
No.. I think it's just you trying to rewrite the dictionary.
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 8, 2020 20:14:47 GMT
You're really not off the mark, yet you are supporting a whole lot more of that. What happened to the "healing"? What happened to not being a fascist? Or was that just smoke and mirrors?
No.. I think it's just you trying to rewrite the dictionary.
Oh Jesus Christ Fiddler. Fiddler: "Nu uhz, it's not da same! I don't like da nationalism!" If you would prefer I can just refer to you guys as authoritarian shitheads. Would that work better for you? Would you find that more acceptable? Fascists, Nazis, Maoists, Stalinists, etc...they all use extremely similar tactics and policies to achieve their political goals. Authoritarianism, mass violations of civil rights, distractions and promises of good things to the common person all for what is claimed to be for the common good of society. The differences in these philosophies are what the authoritarians want to accomplish through those policies. You seem to be cool with the authoritarianism, mass violations of civil rights, bread and circuses. You seem more than ok with it, you seem to accept it as the only viable means to achieve your goals. Your problem isn't that Trump was doing those things to some extent, it was that he wasn't doing it for a goal that you approved of. The problem is that you want to use even more of those tactics and policies. You are willing to take those policies to the extreme. Way more than Trump is/was willing to do. |
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 8, 2020 20:22:33 GMT
You're really not off the mark, yet you are supporting a whole lot more of that. What happened to the "healing"? What happened to not being a fascist? Or was that just smoke and mirrors?
No.. I think it's just you trying to rewrite the dictionary.
Lomeliar can write?
Will wonders never cease?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 8, 2020 21:12:03 GMT
Donald lost.
But we got lucky.
If he had not destroyed himself by being such a complete idiot, had he actually been someone who understood the system, our country could have gone down a path of fascism that would likely have harmed us permanently. Never have we come so close to being destroyed.
So what I expect to happen now, is indictments of him and all his cronies. The next person who tries to run on a nationalistic fascist platform needs to know that they will not have such an easy time abusing the office, that legal mechanisms are in place to hold them accountable. I want to see mechanisms implemented that prevent the justice department from being used as a legal shield for the president. The AG works for the people, not the president.
And next, I want to see national mandates for COVID response. If that means everyone wears a mask, then so be it. If we all follow best practices, we can have this beat in a few months. We could have been the model for the world, and instead, we became the worst case scenario. Embarrassing. Easy to fix.
I also want to see an infrastructure bill as soon as possible. Let's get US people working on US problems.
What do you want to see immediately?
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2020 22:01:16 GMT
Freon, fascists don’t lower taxes, cut corporate taxes almost in half, support the second amendment, and drastically cut regulations. Those are the exact opposite of what a fascist does. Seriously, how can you not know the basics. Why don't fascists lower taxes? Where did you get that information. It has nothing to do with fascism.
Besides lip service, HOW did Donald support the second amendment?
And why would a fascist not cut regulations? How is that exclusively not fascist?
You have no idea what you are talking about.
But you will. You were duped, fooled, hoodwinked and deluded.
Our laws will prevail, and he will be held accountable, if his crimes can be proven. Which I am confident they will.
Justice is coming, and with justice, clarity. Once everything is clear, if you still see him they way you currently do, then you either do not believe in our justice system, or you do not believe in justice itself. I'm betting the latter.
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2020 22:04:16 GMT
Donald lost.
But we got lucky.
If he had not destroyed himself by being such a complete idiot, had he actually been someone who understood the system, our country could have gone down a path of fascism that would likely have harmed us permanently. Never have we come so close to being destroyed.
So what I expect to happen now, is indictments of him and all his cronies. The next person who tries to run on a nationalistic fascist platform needs to know that they will not have such an easy time abusing the office, that legal mechanisms are in place to hold them accountable. I want to see mechanisms implemented that prevent the justice department from being used as a legal shield for the president. The AG works for the people, not the president.
And next, I want to see national mandates for COVID response. If that means everyone wears a mask, then so be it. If we all follow best practices, we can have this beat in a few months. We could have been the model for the world, and instead, we became the worst case scenario. Embarrassing. Easy to fix.
I also want to see an infrastructure bill as soon as possible. Let's get US people working on US problems.
What do you want to see immediately?
Freon
Do you think the virus will go extinct with a few months of mandatory mask wearing? Lol. No, why? This is about managing an epidemic through epidemiology, nothing more. Masks will decrease the virus population within our borders, which means fewer cases, which translates to management of the disease.
Even a vaccine will not be a magic bullet.
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2020 22:05:55 GMT
Donald lost.
But we got lucky.
If he had not destroyed himself by being such a complete idiot, had he actually been someone who understood the system, our country could have gone down a path of fascism that would likely have harmed us permanently. Never have we come so close to being destroyed.
So what I expect to happen now, is indictments of him and all his cronies. The next person who tries to run on a nationalistic fascist platform needs to know that they will not have such an easy time abusing the office, that legal mechanisms are in place to hold them accountable. I want to see mechanisms implemented that prevent the justice department from being used as a legal shield for the president. The AG works for the people, not the president.
And next, I want to see national mandates for COVID response. If that means everyone wears a mask, then so be it. If we all follow best practices, we can have this beat in a few months. We could have been the model for the world, and instead, we became the worst case scenario. Embarrassing. Easy to fix.
I also want to see an infrastructure bill as soon as possible. Let's get US people working on US problems.
What do you want to see immediately?
Freon
The federal government simply does not have the authority to mandate masks anywhere except perhaps on federal land. The feds can't even force me to wear clothes. These are State issues. I think we should wear masks while the virus is still raging, but the way to do it is for the Feds to preach it and practice it while the States decide how/if/when to enforce it. It would take a Constitutional Amendment to give congress or the president that authority. I understand that, but with government guidance, I am hopeful that the states will act in unison on this.
Freon
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 8, 2020 22:07:02 GMT
Do you think the virus will go extinct with a few months of mandatory mask wearing? Lol. No, why? This is about managing an epidemic through epidemiology, nothing more. Masks will decrease the virus population within our borders, which means fewer cases, which translates to management of the disease.
Even a vaccine will not be a magic bullet.
Freon
Wabbit is just being his usual obtuse and contradictory self.
Nothing new there.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 8, 2020 22:09:05 GMT
Do you think the virus will go extinct with a few months of mandatory mask wearing? Lol. No, why? This is about managing an epidemic through epidemiology, nothing more. Masks will decrease the virus population within our borders, which means fewer cases, which translates to management of the disease.
Even a vaccine will not be a magic bullet.
Freon
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Post by Odysseus on Nov 8, 2020 22:10:28 GMT
See what I mean?
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2020 22:14:32 GMT
No, why? This is about managing an epidemic through epidemiology, nothing more. Masks will decrease the virus population within our borders, which means fewer cases, which translates to management of the disease.
Even a vaccine will not be a magic bullet.
Freon
So will the mask mandate be permanent? I will only accept a mandate if it is temporary. Was driving 55 on the freeway permanent? Was not taking any liquids on an airplane permanent?
It is a silly question you are asking.
We stand as a country when a threat is to the entire country. That is what patriots do. A$$holes look only to their own liberties when the country itself suffers.
Freon
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Post by freonbale on Nov 8, 2020 22:15:42 GMT
Any civil discussion with them is progress.
The intent is not to convince, but to normalize positive communications.
Freon
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