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Post by thor on Apr 21, 2024 22:11:16 GMT
Poor Que-Anon. All that time 'researching' and he doesn't know that members of his own party (the American Fascist Partei) think that some of their peers have been co-opted by the FSB to spread propaganda and disinformation. Facism- Clean our streets and school of garbage (protesting) and bring back "white privilege" that's been dead for over 24 years. I doubt you white Liberals would mind as much if it was there. Johnny - we already know what side of the Edmund Pettus bridge you would have been on. No need to keep telling us.
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 21, 2024 23:25:55 GMT
Facism- Clean our streets and school of garbage (protesting) and bring back "white privilege" that's been dead for over 24 years. I doubt you white Liberals would mind as much if it was there. Johnny - we already know what side of the Edmund Pettus bridge you would have been on. No need to keep telling us. lol, No, but that was a good one. I had to look it up. Knew it had to do with someone being racist. Good one
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 21, 2024 23:29:36 GMT
Facism- Clean our streets and school of garbage (protesting) and bring back "white privilege" that's been dead for over 24 years. I doubt you white Liberals would mind as much if it was there. Johnny - we already know what side of the Edmund Pettus bridge you would have been on. No need to keep telling us. but again. If white privilege was real today, you wouldn't mind. Its not, so you're worst then a KKK member. Those are idiots nobody listens to. You're the type that supports brain washing people into thinking they can't succeed.
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 21, 2024 23:42:04 GMT
Of course the Ruskies are taking more land. The Ukrainians are low on weapons to defend against that. I think it's too early to count them out. Can't blame people for not wanting to live under a Putin regime. Last summer they had plenty of weapons. They tried a counter offensive which turned into a wasteful flop. Their goal is to take back Crimea and the eastern regions of Ukraine which isn't possible. Now they are not only short on weapons but they are short on manpower. Like I said before, weapons don't mean shit if there isn't enough people to use them. They would be better off attempting to make a legitimate peace deal with Russia which would result in acknowledging that the Russian speaking regions of southeastern and eastern Ukraine are no longer Ukrainian. Or they could just continue to sacrifice themselves until Russia takes Kiev. A good life lesson is to learn when you should cut your losses. From what I read the Russians were dug in too deep in that part of the country for the Ukrainians to make much headway. Why should the Ukrainians give up a section of their sovereign country just to please Putin? And does anyone think they would get a fair deal from him? If they went to continue fighting, that's their choice. Another good life lesson is it's a bad idea to give in to a dictator.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 22, 2024 1:07:23 GMT
Last summer they had plenty of weapons. They tried a counter offensive which turned into a wasteful flop. Their goal is to take back Crimea and the eastern regions of Ukraine which isn't possible. Now they are not only short on weapons but they are short on manpower. Like I said before, weapons don't mean shit if there isn't enough people to use them. They would be better off attempting to make a legitimate peace deal with Russia which would result in acknowledging that the Russian speaking regions of southeastern and eastern Ukraine are no longer Ukrainian. Or they could just continue to sacrifice themselves until Russia takes Kiev. A good life lesson is to learn when you should cut your losses. From what I read the Russians were dug in too deep in that part of the country for the Ukrainians to make much headway. Why should the Ukrainians give up a section of their sovereign country just to please Putin? And does anyone think they would get a fair deal from him? If they went to continue fighting, that's their choice. Another good life lesson is it's a bad idea to give in to a dictator. They wouldn't do it to please putin. That's just dumb propaganda. They would do it to save their own lives. It's not a bad idea to give in to a dictator if you can't win and you want to live. Regardless, that really is irrelevant. If they want to fight on, that's up to them, but we don't have to burden our children with more debt for their choices.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 22, 2024 1:17:59 GMT
Of course the Ruskies are taking more land. The Ukrainians are low on weapons to defend against that. I think it's too early to count them out. Can't blame people for not wanting to live under a Putin regime. Last summer they had plenty of weapons. They tried a counter offensive which turned into a wasteful flop. Their goal is to take back Crimea and the eastern regions of Ukraine which isn't possible. Now they are not only short on weapons but they are short on manpower. Like I said before, weapons don't mean shit if there isn't enough people to use them. They would be better off attempting to make a legitimate peace deal with Russia which would result in acknowledging that the Russian speaking regions of southeastern and eastern Ukraine are no longer Ukrainian. Or they could just continue to sacrifice themselves until Russia takes Kiev. A good life lesson is to learn when you should cut your losses. LOL, someone invades your land and you just want them to give it away like they won’t come back for more
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Post by slefty on Apr 22, 2024 4:10:45 GMT
From what I read the Russians were dug in too deep in that part of the country for the Ukrainians to make much headway. Why should the Ukrainians give up a section of their sovereign country just to please Putin? And does anyone think they would get a fair deal from him? If they went to continue fighting, that's their choice. Another good life lesson is it's a bad idea to give in to a dictator. It's not a bad idea to give in to a dictator if you can't win and you want to live. I can't believe you were a Marine. And I can't believe you think you are an American. You're not.
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 22, 2024 4:16:18 GMT
From what I read the Russians were dug in too deep in that part of the country for the Ukrainians to make much headway. Why should the Ukrainians give up a section of their sovereign country just to please Putin? And does anyone think they would get a fair deal from him? If they went to continue fighting, that's their choice. Another good life lesson is it's a bad idea to give in to a dictator. They wouldn't do it to please putin. That's just dumb propaganda. They would do it to save their own lives. It's not a bad idea to give in to a dictator if you can't win and you want to live. Regardless, that really is irrelevant. If they want to fight on, that's up to them, but we don't have to burden our children with more debt for their choices. Things would have to become very bad if they needed to save their own lives. I don't see it coming to that point. If things do become hopeless they may have no choice, but I don't think we're there yet. They'll be burdened with debt already, so I doubt Ukraine aid will be a large part of it.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 22, 2024 5:36:22 GMT
Last summer they had plenty of weapons. They tried a counter offensive which turned into a wasteful flop. Their goal is to take back Crimea and the eastern regions of Ukraine which isn't possible. Now they are not only short on weapons but they are short on manpower. Like I said before, weapons don't mean shit if there isn't enough people to use them. They would be better off attempting to make a legitimate peace deal with Russia which would result in acknowledging that the Russian speaking regions of southeastern and eastern Ukraine are no longer Ukrainian. Or they could just continue to sacrifice themselves until Russia takes Kiev. A good life lesson is to learn when you should cut your losses. LOL, someone invades your land and you just want them to give it away like they won’t come back for more Smart people pick and choose their battles that they actually have a chance of winning. Sacrificing for a lost cause, while heroic, doesn't accomplish anything. If they want to go that route, that's fine, all the power to them. It's not my duty or my children's to pay for it. If you want to pay for it then good on you. But you're a dumb leftist, you don't sacrifice for shit, you expect everyone else to sacrifice.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 22, 2024 5:39:31 GMT
It's not a bad idea to give in to a dictator if you can't win and you want to live. I can't believe you were a Marine. And I can't believe you think you are an American. You're not. That's nice. I know you are moron. We're even now.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 22, 2024 5:47:36 GMT
They wouldn't do it to please putin. That's just dumb propaganda. They would do it to save their own lives. It's not a bad idea to give in to a dictator if you can't win and you want to live. Regardless, that really is irrelevant. If they want to fight on, that's up to them, but we don't have to burden our children with more debt for their choices. Things would have to become very bad if they needed to save their own lives. I don't see it coming to that point. If things do become hopeless they may have no choice, but I don't think we're there yet. They'll be burdened with debt already, so I doubt Ukraine aid will be a large part of it. Oh my. You haven't been paying attention to anything that's been happening in Ukraine since Oct 7 have you? It's not been good. We shouldn't be burdening our future generations with -more- debt. I know you old leftists don't have a problem with that as ya'll be passing away soon enough but it's fucked up what you're doing. The elderly population is supposed to look out for and guide the younger generations, not burden them excessive debt and poverty because of your own greed and selfishness. Fucking boomers, most worthless generation that the US has ever produced.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 22, 2024 6:38:48 GMT
Things would have to become very bad if they needed to save their own lives. I don't see it coming to that point. If things do become hopeless they may have no choice, but I don't think we're there yet. They'll be burdened with debt already, so I doubt Ukraine aid will be a large part of it. Oh my. You haven't been paying attention to anything that's been happening in Ukraine since Oct 7 have you? It's not been good. We shouldn't be burdening our future generations with -more- debt. I know you old leftists don't have a problem with that as ya'll be passing away soon enough but it's fucked up what you're doing. The elderly population is supposed to look out for and guide the younger generations, not burden them excessive debt and poverty because of your own greed and selfishness. Fucking boomers, most worthless generation that the US has ever produced. Lame shit still trying to find excuses for his failures.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 22, 2024 6:48:00 GMT
LOL, someone invades your land and you just want them to give it away like they won’t come back for more Smart people pick and choose their battles that they actually have a chance of winning. Sacrificing for a lost cause, while heroic, doesn't accomplish anything. If they want to go that route, that's fine, all the power to them. It's not my duty or my children's to pay for it. If you want to pay for it then good on you. But you're a dumb leftist, you don't sacrifice for shit, you expect everyone else to sacrifice. "Your children"! As if we didn't know already that you're a loner, cretin.
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Post by thecitizen on Apr 22, 2024 9:17:04 GMT
LOL, someone invades your land and you just want them to give it away like they won’t come back for more Smart people pick and choose their battles that they actually have a chance of winning. Sacrificing for a lost cause, while heroic, doesn't accomplish anything. If they want to go that route, that's fine, all the power to them. It's not my duty or my children's to pay for it. If you want to pay for it then good on you. But you're a dumb leftist, you don't sacrifice for shit, you expect everyone else to sacrifice. Passionate people never give up. You need to look at history
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Post by MojoJojo on Apr 22, 2024 11:11:54 GMT
The odds are not in Ukraine's favor.
The Russian method of war ignores casualties and grinds on destroyed block by destroyed block.
That said, shipping a bunch of our weapons of war (which we have plenty of and the MIC is going nowhere) to Ukraine for them to use in their defense is fine by me. As long as they have some fight in them and we have the tools they seek, ship 'em over.
Am I perpetuating the war, yes.
Does it bother me, hell yes.
Still a better option than surrendering your sovereignty and, nothing is set in stone. There really is a chance at keeping their independence. They were supposed to lose in a matter of a week or two. Here we are a couple years later and they're still resisting. Better to come to a negotiated settlement based on possession than a complete loss of the country.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 22, 2024 11:16:11 GMT
I consciously want to perpetuate this war. Full stop. No bs.
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Post by MojoJojo on Apr 22, 2024 11:26:41 GMT
I consciously want to perpetuate this war. Full stop. No bs. Yeah, that's kinda where I'm at but it flies in the face of my inherent distrust of the war pigs, so the cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable. I'm trying to see where I was tricked into supporting violent conflict resolution and can't see where they got me. I see an asshole country, lead by an autocrat, invading a neighbor who wants to be less Russian and more European. It's not worth OUR fighting for (US boots on the ground) but if they're willing to fight? I'll spend some of my unborn grand kids' taxes on that...
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Post by sokpupet on Apr 22, 2024 11:32:49 GMT
We can proxy fight Putin now, or we can actually fight him later; because Putin, if he takes Ukraine, will not stop invading sovereign lands.
Ukraine was kicking Russian ass as I recall. They will again; to the finish. Well, as long as OJ doesn’t lie and inflame his way into the WH. Putin knows all he has to do is dangle a Trump Tower in Moscow and OJ will cut the spigot and weld it shut.
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Post by sokpupet on Apr 22, 2024 11:33:51 GMT
corrupt joe biden is in putins back pocket. This whole Ukraine fiasco is a scam job with zelensky as the Laundryboy. putin biden and zelensky are getting a kickback with very little getting to the Ukrainian troops. time to put an end to this scam. That is funny af. The projection wrapped in a blanket of denial!
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 22, 2024 11:41:10 GMT
I consciously want to perpetuate this war. Full stop. No bs. Yeah, that's kinda where I'm at but it flies in the face of my inherent distrust of the war pigs, so the cognitive dissonance is very uncomfortable. I'm trying to see where I was tricked into supporting violent conflict resolution and can't see where they got me. I see an asshole country, lead by an autocrat, invading a neighbor who wants to be less Russian and more European. It's not worth OUR fighting for (US boots on the ground) but if they're willing to fight? I'll spend some of my unborn grand kids' taxes on that... You weren't tricked into anything. It's just the situation. The US and our allies didn't start this, Russia did. So it's not typical. The real trick here is the attempt to convince people that *all wars* are simply some scam ran by the weapons industry, the war pigs, which we are led to support through propaganda. Some wars to fit this model but not all. I am a big critic of the police but I also believe something like the police is necessary to maintain order and protect innocent people. Often this tool of public security is used to raise revenue for the state or to harass some unpopular segment of the population. It happens. But I am not going to stomp my feet and protest calling them if someone is breaking into my home. I will dial 911 & I will shake their hands after the situation is handled. Life is complicated. We do the best we can. And the best we can do right now is to help Ukraine defend itself and to tie Russia up so they can't move on to the Baltic states. I see funding the Ukrainian war as the best anti-war move we could make, and opposition to such funding as a very pro-war policy stance. I know. I'm crazy.
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