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Post by RWB on Apr 20, 2024 19:50:05 GMT
corrupt joe biden is in putins back pocket. This whole Ukraine fiasco is a scam job with zelensky as the Laundryboy. putin biden and zelensky are getting a kickback with very little getting to the Ukrainian troops. time to put an end to this scam.
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Post by thor on Apr 20, 2024 21:52:35 GMT
corrupt joe biden is in putins back pocket. This whole Ukraine fiasco is a scam job with zelensky as the Laundryboy. putin biden and zelensky are getting a kickback with very little getting to the Ukrainian troops. time to put an end to this scam. Another Putin-lover outs himself.
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Post by bama beau on Apr 20, 2024 22:12:44 GMT
Or, Republicans increasingly side with Putin, while Americans increasingly side with Ukraine. Putin is a monster. Why carry his water? Joe McCarthy would be proud that Bush the Younger's "You're either with us or against us" rhetoric is working so well on you modern conservatives. Queshank
That's like me telling you Hitler would be proud to know you'd joined his fan club. It should be beneath both of us.
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Post by atreyu on Apr 20, 2024 22:39:03 GMT
corrupt joe biden is in putins back pocket. This whole Ukraine fiasco is a scam job with zelensky as the Laundryboy. putin biden and zelensky are getting a kickback with very little getting to the Ukrainian troops. time to put an end to this scam.
By giving Putin what he wants.....
So you're in Putin's back pocket.
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 20, 2024 23:03:46 GMT
One of the problems with wingnuts is that some of their stuff is so crazy you can't tell if they're being serious or just kidding around.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 20, 2024 23:10:41 GMT
One of the problems with wingnuts is that some of their stuff is so crazy you can't tell if they're being serious or just kidding around. Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot win. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept.
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 21, 2024 0:57:39 GMT
One of the problems with wingnuts is that some of their stuff is so crazy you can't tell if they're being serious or just kidding around. Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot win. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept. We don't know if it is a lost cause. We can be pretty sure that it will be a lost cause if Ukraine gets no further military aid.
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Post by bama beau on Apr 21, 2024 3:02:19 GMT
One of the problems with wingnuts is that some of their stuff is so crazy you can't tell if they're being serious or just kidding around. Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot lose. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept. FIFY.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 21, 2024 4:32:48 GMT
Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot win. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept. We don't know if it is a lost cause. We can be pretty sure that it will be a lost cause if Ukraine gets no further military aid. They don't have the manpower to win. This isn't rocket science. Have ya'll even been paying attention to what's been happening over there? The Russians have been methodically taking more and more land. The Russian military is actually stronger now than when it initially invaded. Giving an unlimited supply of beans and bullets doesn't mean shit if there isn't enough people to eat the beans and fire the bullets. This is just a basic reality.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 21, 2024 4:34:02 GMT
Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot lose. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept. FIFY. Except it -is- losing. Sorry Bama. Reality slaps you in the face again.
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Post by thor on Apr 21, 2024 12:03:56 GMT
One of the problems with wingnuts is that some of their stuff is so crazy you can't tell if they're being serious or just kidding around. Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot win. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept. Shitbag, 1775: 'The Colonies cannot win.'
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Post by queshank on Apr 21, 2024 13:55:00 GMT
Joe McCarthy would be proud that Bush the Younger's "You're either with us or against us" rhetoric is working so well on you modern conservatives. Queshank
That's like me telling you Hitler would be proud to know you'd joined his fan club. It should be beneath both of us.
Except you're the one carrying the water of authoritarian jingoists, not me. So it doesn't work as well in reverse.
Queshank
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Post by queshank on Apr 21, 2024 14:01:52 GMT
Are any of you political movers and shakers even aware over 1/3rd of the 60 billion dollar aid bill is going to the American defense industry to replenish depleted munition stocks?
Another fifth is funding to keep paying salaries for government officials. (presumably to try to get them to stop being so corrupt and funneling the aid money into their pockets.)
Ukraine hasn't been running out of bullets. We have been.
Queshank
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Post by rabbitreborn on Apr 21, 2024 14:45:34 GMT
Ukraine gets all the funding they need. If the Democrats were smart they would be hoping they don't. Because when Ukraine continues to lose, there won't be convenient scapegoats to blame their disasters and fuckups on.
People literally are stupid enough to think the Republicans are making Ukraine lose. Literally stupid enough.
Queshank
Or, Republicans increasingly side with Putin, while Americans increasingly side with Ukraine. Putin is a monster. Why carry his water? WHAT DO YOU LIKE SADDAM HUSSEIN OR SOMETHING? YOURE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US. JOIN THE WAR EFFORT.
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Post by demos on Apr 21, 2024 15:52:27 GMT
Months of non support to the point of Ukraine running low on ammunition sure as hell doesn't help them win.While Republicans deny urgent requests for support, it only helps Russin and further degrades Ukraine's position. Looks like Republicans want Ukraine to lose quickly. Democrats want to give them a fighting chance. Which is the best course of action? Ukraine was running low on ammo way before this.
There are also some stories in February 2023.
And if the current package had passed sooner, it doesn't seem like it would've made up for the disparity between Russia and Ukraine:
The US military set a goal to produce 100,000 rounds of artillery a month by the end of 2025 — less than half of the Russian monthly output — and even that number is now out of reach with $60 billion in Ukraine funding stalled in Congress, a senior Army official told reporters last week. ( Source)
So, if all these reports are correct about US and European production and provision of weapons, then Ukraine will still be at a disadvantage. Combined with the manpower problems that means Ukraine loses more slowly, but still loses.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 21, 2024 16:16:59 GMT
Are any of you political movers and shakers even aware over 1/3rd of the 60 billion dollar aid bill is going to the American defense industry to replenish depleted munition stocks?
Another fifth is funding to keep paying salaries for government officials. (presumably to try to get them to stop being so corrupt and funneling the aid money into their pockets.)
Ukraine hasn't been running out of bullets. We have been.
Queshank
Yes. This is quite obvious to anyone paying attention, that money is going to pay or munitions and military manufacturers to supply Ukraine and to replenish our stocks already provided. What is your point? It can be true that both Ukraine and the US are depleting inventories...
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 21, 2024 19:05:14 GMT
Wingnuttery is throwing $60 billion at a lost cause. It's stupid and crazy. Ukraine cannot win. That is the reality that the wingnuts are refusing to accept. Shitbag, 1775: 'The Colonies cannot win.' Oh my. The NeanderTard thinks The Colonies vs Britain in 1775 is remotely similar to Ukraine vs Russia in 2024. Blahahahahahahaahhahahaa What a stupid moron.
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Post by HolyMoly on Apr 21, 2024 20:57:42 GMT
We don't know if it is a lost cause. We can be pretty sure that it will be a lost cause if Ukraine gets no further military aid. They don't have the manpower to win. This isn't rocket science. Have ya'll even been paying attention to what's been happening over there? The Russians have been methodically taking more and more land. The Russian military is actually stronger now than when it initially invaded. Giving an unlimited supply of beans and bullets doesn't mean shit if there isn't enough people to eat the beans and fire the bullets. This is just a basic reality. Of course the Ruskies are taking more land. The Ukrainians are low on weapons to defend against that. I think it's too early to count them out. Can't blame people for not wanting to live under a Putin regime.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 21, 2024 21:08:39 GMT
They don't have the manpower to win. This isn't rocket science. Have ya'll even been paying attention to what's been happening over there? The Russians have been methodically taking more and more land. The Russian military is actually stronger now than when it initially invaded. Giving an unlimited supply of beans and bullets doesn't mean shit if there isn't enough people to eat the beans and fire the bullets. This is just a basic reality. Of course the Ruskies are taking more land. The Ukrainians are low on weapons to defend against that. I think it's too early to count them out. Can't blame people for not wanting to live under a Putin regime. Last summer they had plenty of weapons. They tried a counter offensive which turned into a wasteful flop. Their goal is to take back Crimea and the eastern regions of Ukraine which isn't possible. Now they are not only short on weapons but they are short on manpower. Like I said before, weapons don't mean shit if there isn't enough people to use them. They would be better off attempting to make a legitimate peace deal with Russia which would result in acknowledging that the Russian speaking regions of southeastern and eastern Ukraine are no longer Ukrainian. Or they could just continue to sacrifice themselves until Russia takes Kiev. A good life lesson is to learn when you should cut your losses.
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Post by johnnybgood on Apr 21, 2024 21:23:29 GMT
Poor Que-Anon. All that time 'researching' and he doesn't know that members of his own party (the American Fascist Partei) think that some of their peers have been co-opted by the FSB to spread propaganda and disinformation. Facism- Clean our streets and school of garbage (protesting) and bring back "white privilege" that's been dead for over 24 years. I doubt you white Liberals would mind as much if it was there.
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