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Post by MojoJojo on Jun 30, 2020 14:52:06 GMT
The staff at the nursing homes and similar facilities aren't locked down. They are not the highest paid, cleanest living workers either. The residents may be locked down and denied visits, but staff come and go daily. It only takes one carrier to clear out a home. Having spent far too much time in them (saw both inlaws out that way-disgusting end of life final act) and they're as prone to spread as a ship. As I stated from the get-go, this is a culling of the old and infirm, not to mention revelatory of our national diet and health.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 14:57:40 GMT
The staff at the nursing homes and similar facilities aren't locked down. They are not the highest paid, cleanest living workers either. The residents may be locked down and denied visits, but staff come and go daily. It only takes one carrier to clear out a home. Having spent far too much time in them (saw both inlaws out that way-disgusting end of life final act) and they're as prone to spread as a ship. As I stated from the get-go, this is a culling of the old and infirm, not to mention revelatory of our national diet and health.
I agree. I was trolling with the "lockdown" comment.
What has amazed me is ... as you and I have discussed ... it took months for any government officials to even pay attention to nursing homes. Our first publicized national outbreak here in the states was at a nursing home. Yet the state of New York implemented policies that killed even more people in nursing homes, and it took until what ... just last month? For anyone to start saying "Houston we have a problem in nursing homes."
I'm still waiting for anyone to point out how easy it is for the obese with type 2 diabetes to spend their time just doing 5 minute Tai Chi videos on youtube or some shit to try to get into a little better shape so this virus stops destroying them.
There are two reasons we are different than all of the Eastern nations we're being compared to.
We're not an island. (I laughed out loud when I saw the news going on about how well Iceland has handled this. LOL Iceland. Almost as bad as the comparisons to New Zealand's heroic response.)
We're a bunch of fat and unhealthy slobs.
By the way ... the EU ... when compared legitimately to the US ... is handling this pandemic much worse than we are. Focusing on comparing the US to France is stupid. They should be comparing France to the New York Tristate region.
But that won't occur to the NPCs who watch the nightly news.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2020 18:58:33 GMT
It's not a complicated solution. Lockdown. Support people financially. With what? The money the government collects from taxes. That is "the people's money." But it's all spoken for? Simple. Pull a paltry hundred billion out of defence spending...no, not soldiers' salaries. Pull it out of that money budgeted for research and development of death and destruction technology, a field in which the U.S. not only leads the way by miles, but actually pushes forward everybody else's death and destruction capability (as they follow the trails brilliantly forged by the U.S.). Are you serious here? 100 billion? Our most recent temporary bailouts over this have cost over 3 trillion. Doing that for any real length of time is clearly not sustainable. What's "any length of time"? A week? If longer, how long is "too long"? Also, remember that the government's money is your money... |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2020 19:00:24 GMT
100 billion dollars would be eaten within a couple weeks just in salaries for the government workers who are working (according to our EDD liaison) 90 hour work weeks 7 days a week trying to process unemployment claims.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 19:38:30 GMT
100 billion dollars would be eaten within a couple weeks just in salaries for the government workers who are working (according to our EDD liaison) 90 hour work weeks 7 days a week trying to process unemployment claims.
Queshank
Those salaries for government workers are already in the budget. You don't have to take it "from somewhere else." In budgets that are currently over 50 billion dollars in the hole just here on Cali. And salaries that are not set to pay hourly workers 50 hrs per week in overtime. I will point out again...1 trillion dollars of the first coronavirus stimulus was already just to make state governments whole. They are hemorrhaging cash just trying to pay their peasly state portion of unemployment. At the same time their primary revenue generators...like gas and sales taxes...have been shut off due to the lockdowns. We cant take that 1 trillion dollars out of the military budget. Our military budget isnt even 1 trillion dollars. And we still havent talked about the other 2 trillion dollars. The point is...”just take 100 billion from the military budget” isnt a serious suggestion. Queshank |
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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2020 20:38:12 GMT
In budgets that are currently over 50 billion dollars in the hole just here on Cali. And salaries that are not set to pay hourly workers 50 hrs per week in overtime. I will point out again...1 trillion dollars of the first coronavirus stimulus was already just to make state governments whole. They are hemorrhaging cash just trying to pay their peasly state portion of unemployment. At the same time their primary revenue generators...like gas and sales taxes...have been shut off due to the lockdowns. We cant take that 1 trillion dollars out of the military budget. Our military budget isnt even 1 trillion dollars. And we still havent talked about the other 2 trillion dollars. The point is...”just take 100 billion from the military budget” isnt a serious suggestion. Queshank So here's my thing...all these other developed nations are "making it work." The U.S. is a fabulously wealthy nation. But ..."can't make it work." Why is that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 20:57:17 GMT
In budgets that are currently over 50 billion dollars in the hole just here on Cali. And salaries that are not set to pay hourly workers 50 hrs per week in overtime. I will point out again...1 trillion dollars of the first coronavirus stimulus was already just to make state governments whole. They are hemorrhaging cash just trying to pay their peasly state portion of unemployment. At the same time their primary revenue generators...like gas and sales taxes...have been shut off due to the lockdowns. We cant take that 1 trillion dollars out of the military budget. Our military budget isnt even 1 trillion dollars. And we still havent talked about the other 2 trillion dollars. The point is...”just take 100 billion from the military budget” isnt a serious suggestion. Queshank So here's my thing...all these other developed nations are "making it work." The U.S. is a fabulously wealthy nation. But ..."can't make it work." Why is that? I think we're a long way from any country saying they're "making it work." By that same metric you're using to say other countries are "making it work," the US is "making it work" too. By just not talking about and/or ignoring the negatives. Queshank |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:02:26 GMT
The Canadian economy shrank 20% in March and April. It's expected to shrink ... what? 12% over the year? And then you're hitting this:
Coronavirus Costs Canada a Triple-A Rating - WSJ - June 24, 2020Canada has become the first triple-A-rated sovereign entity to lose its rating because of the economic downturn and the extraordinary fiscal response triggered by the coronavirus pandemic.Queshank |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 21:48:14 GMT
And? Obviously if everyone is locked behind their doors at home they won't spread a virus. But for how long? Life has to go on. Yes, the virus will spread. Yes, people will die. But that can't be stopped. It will happen when ever we open up. This is part of our life now, like it or not. It is here to stay. |
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Post by MojoJojo on Jun 30, 2020 21:57:25 GMT
And? Obviously if everyone is locked behind their doors at home they won't spread a virus. But for how long? Life has to go on. Yes, the virus will spread. Yes, people will die. But that can't be stopped. It will happen when ever we open up. This is part of our life now, like it or not. It is here to stay. Agreed. We've fallen into our tribal selves of assuming the other side wants extremes. Let's acknowledge the reality, as you've done above, and build from there. The false dichotomy of LOCK IT DOWN! and LIBERATE! aren't helping. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 30, 2020 23:00:47 GMT
In budgets that are currently over 50 billion dollars in the hole just here on Cali. And salaries that are not set to pay hourly workers 50 hrs per week in overtime. I will point out again...1 trillion dollars of the first coronavirus stimulus was already just to make state governments whole. They are hemorrhaging cash just trying to pay their peasly state portion of unemployment. At the same time their primary revenue generators...like gas and sales taxes...have been shut off due to the lockdowns. We cant take that 1 trillion dollars out of the military budget. Our military budget isnt even 1 trillion dollars. And we still havent talked about the other 2 trillion dollars. The point is...”just take 100 billion from the military budget” isnt a serious suggestion. Queshank So here's my thing...all these other developed nations are "making it work." The U.S. is a fabulously wealthy nation. But ..."can't make it work." Why is that?
Why is that?
Simple:
Trump and the Senate Republican majority, that's why.
However, we can fix this.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 1:39:51 GMT
I work for a massive company that has been making me wonder what they know (or what kind of deals they've been making) because they are still implementing even more stringent "safety" standards at work. 6 weeks ago started with temp checks (we were required to simply check ourselves before entering the building), then it went to required mask usage a couple weeks later, and now starting next week it will be some sort of thermal scan as we enter the building. All new hiring has been shutdown completely outside of essential production and customer service positions where turnover is higher. Executives took a pay cut (which doesn't mean much because of the stock options). All salaried (management) employees had their pay frozen and upper management had their 401K company match cutoff. I get the feeling they are preparing for another round of shutdowns. This is exactly my experience as well. I work for a national conglomerate. Two days before Newsom shut down California we all had a meeting and were warned ahead of time of the coming closures. And we were given "papers" to keep in our car designating us as essential workers able to move freely. The next day my wife, who works at a bank, was given her papers as well. They're still in our glove compartment. Kinda creepy. Haven't had to use them, obviously. But then again, we're not in LA, we're in the central valley. (Nunes' district.)
Our parent corp knew California was shutting down 2 days before the news knew.
Recently our plant manager has been making the same noises. "We're headed for another shutdown. I know it." rhetoric. Nothing official. But he's on the phones with his bosses every day while we all meet every week trying to figure out how to keep from getting permanently shut down as we hemorrhage cash.
I'll go you one further. Part of my job is calling distributors. Gauging the health of their companies. Finding out who is working from home still, whether phone numbers and mailing addresses and receiving hours are back to normal. Every time it's like I lance a boil and then sit and listen for 10 to 15 minutes as anger, fear and confusion leak out.
The stories I am hearing every day ... that distributors tell about their customers and what's going on ... are grueling to listen to the past month. We are nowhere near the point where we're seeing the pain that's growing out there. The news sure isn't reporting it.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 2:14:17 GMT
Are you serious here? 100 billion? Our most recent temporary bailouts over this have cost over 3 trillion. Doing that for any real length of time is clearly not sustainable. What's "any length of time"? A week? If longer, how long is "too long"? Also, remember that the government's money is your money... 3 trillion was blown through within I would estimate about 6 weeks. That was on top of an already massive deficit. The fools up top are saying everything opened up too fast. CA was on lock down for nearly 3 months. So if that was not long enough and we are basically back to where we started that would mean trillions more over a several month period. We can not spend that much money and not end up like Venezuela. Bankrupt and dirt poor. And no it's not my money. We're dumping our debt on future generations. It's extremely immoral. |
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Post by limey² on Jul 1, 2020 2:41:24 GMT
Peer review is an essential part of the scientific publication process.
No wonder you don't like it.
You prefer right wing biased pseudo science.
Tell us, what science is Trump's PhD in?
Don’t question my religion even in the face of evidence that the peer review process is not the omniscient force my priests tell me that it is. Peer review of hard, or soft, science had liberal bias? |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 2:50:42 GMT
Don’t question my religion even in the face of evidence that the peer review process is not the omniscient force my priests tell me that it is. Peer review of hard, or soft, science had liberal bias?
Poor zombie bunny thinks science is just a religion.
Or sumpthin' ..
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Post by limey² on Jul 1, 2020 3:29:03 GMT
Peer review of hard, or soft, science had liberal bias?
Poor zombie bunny thinks science is just a religion.
Or sumpthin' ..
No, I'm not having a go at the Bunny. I meant about the liberal bias in science.... you can't really have such a thing in physical sciences. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 3:53:44 GMT
Poor zombie bunny thinks science is just a religion.
Or sumpthin' ..
No, I'm not having a go at the Bunny. I meant about the liberal bias in science.... you can't really have such a thing in physical sciences. Zombie Bunny sayeth: "Don’t question my religion even in the face of evidence that the peer review process is not the omniscient force my priests tell me that it is."
And that is what I was in reference.
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Post by limey² on Jul 1, 2020 4:42:39 GMT
No, I'm not having a go at the Bunny. I meant about the liberal bias in science.... you can't really have such a thing in physical sciences. Zombie Bunny sayeth: "Don’t question my religion even in the face of evidence that the peer review process is not the omniscient force my priests tell me that it is."
And that is what I was in reference.
In social sciences, there is a certain element of herd mentality. Physical and medical; not so much. Peer review in these areas is robust. Bunny may be bluuring boundaries. |
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 6:27:49 GMT
Poor zombie bunny thinks science is just a religion.
Or sumpthin' ..
No, I'm not having a go at the Bunny. I meant about the liberal bias in science.... you can't really have such a thing in physical sciences. You can if the peer review process doesn't legitimately do what it is supposed to be doing. |
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