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Post by demos on May 23, 2024 21:00:11 GMT
So, they're not willing to send air defense systems, but they're supposedly seriously considering shooting down missiles own their own? Ok.
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Post by demos on May 24, 2024 16:26:48 GMT
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Post by demos on May 27, 2024 16:03:00 GMT
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And we're only expected to produce that 1.3 million between 2025 and 2028 (and not all of those shells will be going to Ukraine).
Not sure how long Russia can keep this level of production up, but it might be long enough considering Ukraine's other problem:
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Post by thor on May 27, 2024 17:41:59 GMT
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And we're only expected to produce that 1.3 million between 2025 and 2028 (and not all of those shells will be going to Ukraine).
Not sure how long Russia can keep this level of production up, but it might be long enough considering Ukraine's other problem:
Sigh. What, in your estimation is more important: Fire, or fire control?
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Post by demos on May 27, 2024 18:06:40 GMT
Sigh. What, in your estimation is more important: Fire, or fire control?
To fire accurately and on target, you still need to something fire, and Ukraine is at a significant disadvantage there.
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Post by thor on May 27, 2024 18:10:41 GMT
Sigh. What, in your estimation is more important: Fire, or fire control?
To fire accurately and on target, you still need to something fire, and Ukraine is at a significant disadvantage there.
Have you not determined the answer to what I asked you?
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Post by demos on May 27, 2024 18:24:32 GMT
Have you not determined the answer to what I asked you? Your question has been answered.
The people experiencing this conflict say they need more ammunition and that Western production is not keeping up to allow them to attack or defend. Unlike Russia, Ukraine isn't firing shells in mass barrages (they haven't done that even at the height of their fire), but they don't have enough to fire and hit their targets and counter Russian attacks. To quote from the Time article again: Ukraine doesn't have sufficient artillery. They haven't had it for a while, attributable to the Western industrial base (as you can see in The Economist article).
Russia doesn't have to be accurate, nor are they trying to be. They're just trying to overwhelm the Ukrainians, and so far, they've been successful at that, and reading about it, that is attributable to Ukraine's very significant armaments disadvantage.
You want to contradict that? By all means go ahead and make the argument. But make an actual argument instead of trying to play gotcha games that you're not very good at.
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Post by thor on May 27, 2024 19:02:42 GMT
Have you not determined the answer to what I asked you? Your question has been answered.
The people experiencing this conflict say they need more ammunition and that Western production is not keeping up to allow them to attack or defend. Unlike Russia, Ukraine isn't firing shells in mass barrages (they haven't done that even at the height of their fire), but they don't have enough to fire and hit their targets and counter Russian attacks. To quote from the Time article again: Ukraine doesn't have sufficient artillery. They haven't had it for a while, attributable to the Western industrial base (as you can see in The Economist article).
Russia doesn't have to be accurate, nor are they trying to be. They're just trying to overwhelm the Ukrainians, and so far, they've been successful at that, and reading about it, that is attributable to Ukraine's very significant armaments disadvantage.
You want to contradict that? By all means go ahead and make the argument. But make an actual argument instead of trying to play gotcha games that you're not very good at.
None of that addressed what I asked you. Again: What, in your estimation is more important: Fire, or fire control?
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Post by demos on May 27, 2024 19:07:34 GMT
None of that addressed what I asked you. Again: What, in your estimation is more important: Fire, or fire control? Ok, let's play this stupid game, so your thick self can be satisfied.
Fire control - accurately hitting your target - is more important.
Now that we've played your stupid, irrelevant game, would you like to address the actual issue which is a lack of ammunition, which means that Ukrainians can't sufficiently attack or defend themselves against those targets?
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Post by thor on May 27, 2024 19:15:01 GMT
None of that addressed what I asked you. Again: What, in your estimation is more important: Fire, or fire control? Ok, let's play this stupid game, so your thick self can be satisfied.
Fire control - accurately hitting your target - is more important.
Now that we've played your stupid, irrelevant game, would you like to address the actual issue which is a lack of ammunition, which means that Ukrainians can't sufficiently attack or defend themselves against those targets?
Very good. Now, accurate fires produces what result with less expenditure of what? Keep in mind that you are discussing this with someone who did it for a living.
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Post by demos on May 27, 2024 19:17:06 GMT
Very good. Now, accurate fires produces what result with less expenditure of what? And even with more accurate fire, guess what they don't have enough of?
Read the articles. Read the statements from Ukrainians. This point has already been addressed, because I already knew where you were going before you got there.
And if you were less interested in playing games, you'd see that.
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Post by thor on May 27, 2024 19:37:49 GMT
Very good. Now, accurate fires produces what result with less expenditure of what? And even with more accurate fire, guess what they don't have enough of?
Read the articles. Read the statements from Ukrainians. This point has already been addressed, because I already knew where you were going before you got there.
And if you were less interested in playing games, you'd see that.
Still only a half-answer. I discount your articles because their authors have the same problem you do - intelligence, but not wisdom. You analysis is, and will always be lacking, because you haven't actually done any of this, and it shows. You are literally trying to debate a guy who used to be a goddamned FO.
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Post by Lomelis on May 27, 2024 21:20:13 GMT
And even with more accurate fire, guess what they don't have enough of?
Read the articles. Read the statements from Ukrainians. This point has already been addressed, because I already knew where you were going before you got there.
And if you were less interested in playing games, you'd see that.
Still only a half-answer. I discount your articles because their authors have the same problem you do - intelligence, but not wisdom. You analysis is, and will always be lacking, because you haven't actually done any of this, and it shows. You are literally trying to debate a guy who used to be a goddamned FO. He's debating a guy who lost half his fucking brain and is a complete moron. You have absolutely no clue what's going on over there and refuse to read and educate yourself. Instead you arrogantly and ignorantly rely on your past glory of getting your ass blown up as if that means you're an expert. No NeanderTard it means you are a moron and a failure that refuses to actually learn from your mistakes.
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Post by thor on May 27, 2024 21:36:34 GMT
Still only a half-answer. I discount your articles because their authors have the same problem you do - intelligence, but not wisdom. You analysis is, and will always be lacking, because you haven't actually done any of this, and it shows. You are literally trying to debate a guy who used to be a goddamned FO. He's debating a guy who lost half his fucking brain and is a complete moron. You have absolutely no clue what's going on over there and refuse to read and educate yourself. Instead you arrogantly and ignorantly rely on your past glory of getting your ass blown up as if that means you're an expert. No NeanderTard it means you are a moron and a failure that refuses to actually learn from your mistakes. Quick - define 'Hip Shoot', 'Hasty Bracket', 'One-Round Adjust', 'O-T line', 'Battery One'.... You're online - you have one minute, Shitbag.
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Post by queshank on May 27, 2024 23:29:59 GMT
He's debating a guy who lost half his fucking brain and is a complete moron. You have absolutely no clue what's going on over there and refuse to read and educate yourself. Instead you arrogantly and ignorantly rely on your past glory of getting your ass blown up as if that means you're an expert. No NeanderTard it means you are a moron and a failure that refuses to actually learn from your mistakes. Quick - define 'Hip Shoot', 'Hasty Bracket', 'One-Round Adjust', 'O-T line', 'Battery One'.... You're online - you have one minute, Shitbag.
Nominated for cringiest post of the year.
It's early 2024 yet. But ... gonna be hard to top this one.
Get on it freon! Queshank
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Post by demos on May 28, 2024 13:02:49 GMT
Still only a half-answer. I discount your articles because their authors have the same problem you do - intelligence, but not wisdom. You analysis is, and will always be lacking, because you haven't actually done any of this, and it shows. You are literally trying to debate a guy who used to be a goddamned FO. Do the guys on the front line have that same problem, because I linked you to a video of them saying what they need? Does Zelensky have that problem?
Who do you need to tell you?
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Post by Lomelis on May 29, 2024 19:04:49 GMT
He's debating a guy who lost half his fucking brain and is a complete moron. You have absolutely no clue what's going on over there and refuse to read and educate yourself. Instead you arrogantly and ignorantly rely on your past glory of getting your ass blown up as if that means you're an expert. No NeanderTard it means you are a moron and a failure that refuses to actually learn from your mistakes. Quick - define 'Hip Shoot', 'Hasty Bracket', 'One-Round Adjust', 'O-T line', 'Battery One'.... You're online - you have one minute, Shitbag. LMAO. I hope you're not serious but you probably are this pathetic. NeanderTard, " I names military jargon dat maeks me expurt!"
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Post by demos on May 29, 2024 19:45:00 GMT
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Post by thor on May 29, 2024 20:15:32 GMT
Quick - define 'Hip Shoot', 'Hasty Bracket', 'One-Round Adjust', 'O-T line', 'Battery One'.... You're online - you have one minute, Shitbag. LMAO. I hope you're not serious but you probably are this pathetic. NeanderTard, " I names military jargon dat maeks me expurt!" Like your military career, you failed miserably. Poor Shitbag, consigned to mediocrity....forever.
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Post by queshank on May 30, 2024 14:20:27 GMT
Yeah but. Fog of war man. NO ONE knew that. NO ONE knew that 2 years ago. Fog of war!
Queshank
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