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Post by demos on Mar 8, 2022 20:44:47 GMT
They say, idiots are the happiest people in the world Then you must be in absolute bliss, because you reveal yourself to be a complete dumbass with each subsequent post. |
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Post by petep on Mar 8, 2022 20:46:51 GMT
My sense is these same people saying see, just as "we said it would go"(not you greg, you've been spot on)....we could have avoided all this if we just promised not to take ukraine into nato (and maybe added we'd get rid of the drug dealers and nazis)
would be the people on may 7, 1945 after those negotiations and surrender would be saying see, joe kennedy was right, we should have just given hitler what he wanted and think of all the lives that would have been saved...the negotiation worked
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Post by demos on Mar 8, 2022 20:49:04 GMT
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Post by petep on Mar 8, 2022 21:06:26 GMT
yet most experts are comparing it to wwii...
just yesterday a 25 year retired prof from the naval war college in newport was on and most all his comparisons were to wwii...
but hey, lets take your word...
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Post by demos on Mar 8, 2022 21:10:14 GMT
Not everything is WW2. Other stuff did happen in the 20th Century that is more analogous. You don't even have to limit yourself to the 20th Century either.
For the love of all that is holy find another analogy, because WW2 doesn't always apply.
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Post by demos on Mar 8, 2022 22:54:54 GMT
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 8, 2022 23:18:38 GMT
They say, idiots are the happiest people in the world Then you must be in absolute bliss, because you reveal yourself to be a complete dumbass with each subsequent post. No, you are. Putin’s invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts in Ukraine as you continue to allude. Only an idiot would think that |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 23:25:43 GMT
yet most experts are comparing it to wwii... just yesterday a 25 year retired prof from the naval war college in newport was on and most all his comparisons were to wwii... but hey, lets take your word...
Petep - "NOW the experts know what they're talking about! When they say what *I* want them to say!!"
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Post by demos on Mar 8, 2022 23:27:24 GMT
Then you must be in absolute bliss, because you reveal yourself to be a complete dumbass with each subsequent post. No, you are. Putin’s invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts in Ukraine as you continue to allude. Only an idiot would think that Putin’s invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts? Has nothing to do with the Russian invasion and occupation of Crimea or the ongoing war with Russian-backed separatist in Donbas. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. |
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 9, 2022 0:48:00 GMT
Once again, exactly as some of us have been saying for days now.
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 9, 2022 2:17:57 GMT
No, you are. Putin’s invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts in Ukraine as you continue to allude. Only an idiot would think that Putin’s invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts? Has nothing to do with the Russian invasion and occupation of Crimea or the ongoing war with Russian-backed separatist in Donbas. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. Russia wants to control Ukraine. He use trump to insinuate that Ukraine was corrupt after Ukrainians voted in Zelensky. |
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 9, 2022 2:21:40 GMT
Once again, exactly as some of us have been saying for days now.
Yea Accept the Russian proposal, which is very tough, but preserve Ukraine’s sovereignty and stop the war. or Reject the proposal and risk a serious escalation in the Russian attack that could end in a catastrophe for Zelensky and for Ukraine. what would you choose |
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Post by Lomelis on Mar 9, 2022 8:36:39 GMT
I think it's best to just ignore Wads at this point. He is incapable of understanding what's happening and is distracting from real discussion.
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 9, 2022 13:22:10 GMT
Once again, exactly as some of us have been saying for days now.
Yea Accept the Russian proposal, which is very tough, but preserve Ukraine’s sovereignty and stop the war. or Reject the proposal and risk a serious escalation in the Russian attack that could end in a catastrophe for Zelensky and for Ukraine. what would you choose
Right. Obviously the first option. As I have been saying literally the entire time.
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Post by demos on Mar 9, 2022 14:45:18 GMT
Russia wants to control Ukraine. This doesn't mean that this renewed invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts, which was your claim. You certainly can't just ignore that the invasion of Ukraine began in 2014 with Crimea, which Russia has occupied since that time. |
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 9, 2022 14:48:54 GMT
Yea Accept the Russian proposal, which is very tough, but preserve Ukraine’s sovereignty and stop the war. or Reject the proposal and risk a serious escalation in the Russian attack that could end in a catastrophe for Zelensky and for Ukraine. what would you choose
Right. Obviously the first option. As I have been saying literally the entire time.
Yea do what I say or I will invade your ass. Don’t do what I say and I may change my mind. Only a fool would trust Putin |
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Post by rmwa on Mar 9, 2022 14:51:00 GMT
What more does Ukraine want than is in the proposal? I can see how they might want some reparations. Toss some in to sweeten the deal and wrap the thing up. |
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 9, 2022 14:53:49 GMT
Russia wants to control Ukraine. This doesn't mean that this renewed invasion has nothing to do with past or current conflicts, which was your claim. You certainly can't just ignore that the invasion of Ukraine began in 2014 with Crimea, which Russia has occupied since that time. Russia aggressively took over Crimea. Now they are aggressively trying to take over the entirety of Ukraine. The Ukrainian people oppose. They are not welcoming them with open arms. They posed no threat to Russia. So your excuses for Russia makes no sense |
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 9, 2022 14:55:27 GMT
Right. Obviously the first option. As I have been saying literally the entire time.
Yea do what I say or I will invade your ass. Don’t do what I say and I may change my mind. Only a fool would trust Putin
You already pointed out, yourself, that the other option is likely "catastrophe".
Would you choose catastrophe or trusting Putin and living and having a country?
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Post by demos on Mar 9, 2022 15:00:37 GMT
Russia aggressively took over Crimea. Now they are aggressively trying to take over the entirety of Ukraine. The Ukrainian people oppose. They are not welcoming them with open arms. They posed no threat to Russia. So your excuses for Russia makes no senseAgain, who is making excuses for Russia? No one on this forum has. What has been shown is how Russia perceives U.S. and NATO actions in Eastern Europe which they view as a security threat. Whether you think those concerns are valid or not is not the point; the point is that what's happening isn't because Putin is crazy, or Hitler, or whatever other narrative people are offering up to ignore that he is a "rational" actor responding to perceived threats and thus there are actions and points of negotiation that can be taken to end this conflict. |
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