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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 21:35:47 GMT
Don't know, nobody does. I do know that if we have another mismanaged bailout the prospects for a quick recovery are grim and I'd expect it to take ten years for this country to be prosperous again. So your idea is that we should continue with lock downs and push the limits of these services (without any idea of how long they can be sustained) in hopes that an effective vaccine is created in record breaking time? In the mean time the non-essentials are supposed to just stay home and do yoga? Well, we've screwed the pooch not to mention 3+ trillion dollars on the first go round. Today's Arizona, Texas, Florida headlines were New York and Washingtons yesterday. Not enough testing, shortages of PPE etc. Americans seem unable to learn from their mistakes. Can we get it right this time? If so, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. How long? When do we start? How bad is it going to get first? Too many variables and no consensus much less common sense. I'm non essential but lucky enough to be able to mostly work from home and was under stay at home for two months. It wasn't the end of the world, a bit of an inconvenience but I've spent a ton of quality time with nature and my dog. Other people not so lucky but that is the ultimate role of government, to help people when they can't help themselves. Unfortunately, we've got complete asshats running the show, taking care of their own before helping actual people. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 12, 2020 0:57:08 GMT
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 12, 2020 1:12:01 GMT
So your idea is that we should continue with lock downs and push the limits of these services (without any idea of how long they can be sustained) in hopes that an effective vaccine is created in record breaking time? In the mean time the non-essentials are supposed to just stay home and do yoga? Well, we've screwed the pooch not to mention 3+ trillion dollars on the first go round. Today's Arizona, Texas, Florida headlines were New York and Washingtons yesterday. Not enough testing, shortages of PPE etc. Americans seem unable to learn from their mistakes. Can we get it right this time? If so, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. How long? When do we start? How bad is it going to get first? Too many variables and no consensus much less common sense. I'm non essential but lucky enough to be able to mostly work from home and was under stay at home for two months. It wasn't the end of the world, a bit of an inconvenience but I've spent a ton of quality time with nature and my dog. Other people not so lucky but that is the ultimate role of government, to help people when they can't help themselves. Unfortunately, we've got complete asshats running the show, taking care of their own before helping actual people. How long, when do we start, how bad is going to get....are variables that needed to be debated and thought about prior to making policy decisions that effect millions of people. You don't just fly by the seat of your pants and hope for the best which seems to be what you are suggesting. A bit of an inconvenience? See that's the problem, people like yourself are completely out of touch with the reality that millions of people now currently face. Millions aren't going to be able to shelter at home when they can't afford their rent. It's more than a little bit of an inconvenience when you end up fucking homeless and can't afford food. The government cannot sustain trillions of dollars in expenditures every month. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 12, 2020 1:26:55 GMT
Lomelissa sez:
"THIS SHIT'S OVER!!!"
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Post by jasmine on Jul 12, 2020 1:40:29 GMT
So your idea is that we should continue with lock downs and push the limits of these services (without any idea of how long they can be sustained) in hopes that an effective vaccine is created in record breaking time? In the mean time the non-essentials are supposed to just stay home and do yoga? Other people not so lucky but that is the ultimate role of government, to help people when they can't help themselves. This right here is exactly why libs are messed up. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 12, 2020 1:42:55 GMT
Other people not so lucky but that is the ultimate role of government, to help people when they can't help themselves. This right here is exactly why libs are messed up.
Is that the opinion of a professional asshat?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 2:33:50 GMT
Other people not so lucky but that is the ultimate role of government, to help people when they can't help themselves. This right here is exactly why libs are messed up. So deep thinker, what is the role of government? Let people suffer, survival of the fittest? |
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Post by jasmine on Jul 12, 2020 2:37:04 GMT
This right here is exactly why libs are messed up. So deep thinker, what is the role of government? Let people suffer, survival of the fittest? The role of government is to protect its people and follow the Constitution. It s not government’s responsibility to be a charity |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 2:50:21 GMT
Well, we've screwed the pooch not to mention 3+ trillion dollars on the first go round. Today's Arizona, Texas, Florida headlines were New York and Washingtons yesterday. Not enough testing, shortages of PPE etc. Americans seem unable to learn from their mistakes. Can we get it right this time? If so, there's a light at the end of the tunnel. How long? When do we start? How bad is it going to get first? Too many variables and no consensus much less common sense. I'm non essential but lucky enough to be able to mostly work from home and was under stay at home for two months. It wasn't the end of the world, a bit of an inconvenience but I've spent a ton of quality time with nature and my dog. Other people not so lucky but that is the ultimate role of government, to help people when they can't help themselves. Unfortunately, we've got complete asshats running the show, taking care of their own before helping actual people. How long, when do we start, how bad is going to get....are variables that needed to be debated and thought about prior to making policy decisions that effect millions of people. You don't just fly by the seat of your pants and hope for the best which seems to be what you are suggesting. A bit of an inconvenience? See that's the problem, people like yourself are completely out of touch with the reality that millions of people now currently face. Millions aren't going to be able to shelter at home when they can't afford their rent. It's more than a little bit of an inconvenience when you end up fucking homeless and can't afford food. The government cannot sustain trillions of dollars in expenditures every month. I'm all too aware of the fucking reality. I said I was lucky, most people aren't. Part of the dem plan that the righties shot down was a mortgage and rent holiday as well as car payments etc. Sadly, it will be neccessary in the future. Government is going to have to think outside the box. There's a lot of jobs and small businesses that aren't coming back and sadly, that's just a hard reality. I personally have no intention of flying, vacationing, dining inside at a restaurant or going to a movie anytime soon as some examples. Of course you formulate a battle plan, but no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Constant adjustments are always going to be neccessary. In addition, people really are going to have to accept a new way of life for the foreseeable future much in the same way that our world changed after 9/11. If you have solutions, I'd be curious to hear them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 2:53:14 GMT
So deep thinker, what is the role of government? Let people suffer, survival of the fittest? The role of government is to protect its people and follow the Constitution. It s not government’s responsibility to be a charity And these circumstances don't qualify as protecting the people? Then what does? It's not always about guns and bombs, only a simpleton would think so. |
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Post by jasmine on Jul 12, 2020 3:09:56 GMT
The role of government is to protect its people and follow the Constitution. It s not government’s responsibility to be a charity And these circumstances don't qualify as protecting the people? Then what does? It's not always about guns and bombs, only a simpleton would think so. The people in this case are the victims of our government shutting down the economy. People wouldn’t need financial help if it weren’t for government overreach. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 3:18:26 GMT
And these circumstances don't qualify as protecting the people? Then what does? It's not always about guns and bombs, only a simpleton would think so. The people in this case are the victims of our government shutting down the economy. People wouldn’t need financial help if it weren’t for government overreach. So do you ignore the pandemic and everyone is on their own? |
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Post by jasmine on Jul 12, 2020 3:27:34 GMT
The people in this case are the victims of our government shutting down the economy. People wouldn’t need financial help if it weren’t for government overreach. So do you ignore the pandemic and everyone is on their own? If It were up to me, you don’t ignore it. You take proper precautions. But you don’t shut down businesses and disrupt the economy. That is what caused people being hit financially in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 3:50:12 GMT
So do you ignore the pandemic and everyone is on their own? If It were up to me, you don’t ignore it. You take proper precautions. But you don’t shut down businesses and disrupt the economy. That is what caused people being hit financially in the first place. Proper precautions? Besides a mask and social distancing what else? |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 12, 2020 4:30:40 GMT
So deep thinker, what is the role of government? Let people suffer, survival of the fittest? The role of government is to protect its people and follow the Constitution. It s not government’s responsibility to be a charity
Did you happen to miss the phrase "provide for the general welfare" when you read the Constitution?
Oh, wait, I was making the false assumption that you have ever read the Constitution.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 12, 2020 8:03:59 GMT
How long, when do we start, how bad is going to get....are variables that needed to be debated and thought about prior to making policy decisions that effect millions of people. You don't just fly by the seat of your pants and hope for the best which seems to be what you are suggesting. A bit of an inconvenience? See that's the problem, people like yourself are completely out of touch with the reality that millions of people now currently face. Millions aren't going to be able to shelter at home when they can't afford their rent. It's more than a little bit of an inconvenience when you end up fucking homeless and can't afford food. The government cannot sustain trillions of dollars in expenditures every month. I'm all too aware of the fucking reality. I said I was lucky, most people aren't. Part of the dem plan that the righties shot down was a mortgage and rent holiday as well as car payments etc. Sadly, it will be neccessary in the future. Government is going to have to think outside the box. There's a lot of jobs and small businesses that aren't coming back and sadly, that's just a hard reality. I personally have no intention of flying, vacationing, dining inside at a restaurant or going to a movie anytime soon as some examples. Of course you formulate a battle plan, but no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Constant adjustments are always going to be neccessary. In addition, people really are going to have to accept a new way of life for the foreseeable future much in the same way that our world changed after 9/11. If you have solutions, I'd be curious to hear them. No you aren't. You haven't felt it. You've been able to sit at home drink coffee and do yoga all day. So ya you get to sit on your ass and say you were lucky and say it sucks to be labeled as the disposable people of society while you were privileged and wealthy enough where it didn't effect you. It's typical leftist horseshit. Your mentality is a major part of the problem with society. Nobody gives a fuck about your empathy when what you support is actually throwing millions of people into poverty. Personally I will be traveling, vacationing, and actually doing things. I'm going to live life. If you want to cower under the bed that's on you but stop screwing with the rest of us. The solution is to get out of your basement and stop panicking. |
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 12, 2020 8:08:19 GMT
The role of government is to protect its people and follow the Constitution. It s not government’s responsibility to be a charity
Did you happen to miss the phrase "provide for the general welfare" when you read the Constitution?
Oh, wait, I was making the false assumption that you have ever read the Constitution.
Another moronic statement by Oddball. Once again logic eludes you. The general welfare clause is specific to the enumerated duties outlined in the Constitution. It is not a catch all that allows the government to do anything at the time that it declares to be in the general welfare. If that were the case we wouldn't have or need a Constitution to begin with. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 12, 2020 8:08:22 GMT
I'm all too aware of the fucking reality. I said I was lucky, most people aren't. Part of the dem plan that the righties shot down was a mortgage and rent holiday as well as car payments etc. Sadly, it will be neccessary in the future. Government is going to have to think outside the box. There's a lot of jobs and small businesses that aren't coming back and sadly, that's just a hard reality. I personally have no intention of flying, vacationing, dining inside at a restaurant or going to a movie anytime soon as some examples. Of course you formulate a battle plan, but no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Constant adjustments are always going to be neccessary. In addition, people really are going to have to accept a new way of life for the foreseeable future much in the same way that our world changed after 9/11. If you have solutions, I'd be curious to hear them. No you aren't. You haven't felt it. You've been able to sit at home drink coffee and do yoga all day. So ya you get to sit on your ass and say you were lucky and say it sucks to be labeled as the disposable people of society while you were privileged and wealthy enough where it didn't effect you. It's typical leftist horseshit. Your mentality is a major part of the problem with society. Nobody gives a fuck about your empathy when what you support is actually throwing millions of people into poverty. Personally I will be traveling, vacationing, and actually doing things. I'm going to live life. If you want to cower under the bed that's on you but stop screwing with the rest of us. The solution is to get out of your basement and stop panicking. The state is catering to the people who are so risk averse they gladly stop living life indefinitely because of a virus that impacts a fairly well defined at-risk group. A society does not grow strong when those who are making decisions and embracing the decisions are the most risk averse. This is not a society with long term sustainable growth. This is indicative of a society that is rotting from complacency brought about by comfort and affluence. |
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 12, 2020 8:36:52 GMT
No you aren't. You haven't felt it. You've been able to sit at home drink coffee and do yoga all day. So ya you get to sit on your ass and say you were lucky and say it sucks to be labeled as the disposable people of society while you were privileged and wealthy enough where it didn't effect you. It's typical leftist horseshit. Your mentality is a major part of the problem with society. Nobody gives a fuck about your empathy when what you support is actually throwing millions of people into poverty. Personally I will be traveling, vacationing, and actually doing things. I'm going to live life. If you want to cower under the bed that's on you but stop screwing with the rest of us. The solution is to get out of your basement and stop panicking. The state is catering to the people who are so risk averse they gladly stop living life indefinitely because of a virus that impacts a fairly well defined at-risk group. A society does not grow strong when those who are making decisions and embracing the decisions are the most risk averse. This is not a society with long term sustainable growth. This is indicative of a society that is rotting from complacency brought about by comfort and affluence. I completely agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 13:58:16 GMT
I'm all too aware of the fucking reality. I said I was lucky, most people aren't. Part of the dem plan that the righties shot down was a mortgage and rent holiday as well as car payments etc. Sadly, it will be neccessary in the future. Government is going to have to think outside the box. There's a lot of jobs and small businesses that aren't coming back and sadly, that's just a hard reality. I personally have no intention of flying, vacationing, dining inside at a restaurant or going to a movie anytime soon as some examples. Of course you formulate a battle plan, but no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy. Constant adjustments are always going to be neccessary. In addition, people really are going to have to accept a new way of life for the foreseeable future much in the same way that our world changed after 9/11. If you have solutions, I'd be curious to hear them. No you aren't. You haven't felt it. You've been able to sit at home drink coffee and do yoga all day. So ya you get to sit on your ass and say you were lucky and say it sucks to be labeled as the disposable people of society while you were privileged and wealthy enough where it didn't effect you. It's typical leftist horseshit. Your mentality is a major part of the problem with society. Nobody gives a fuck about your empathy when what you support is actually throwing millions of people into poverty. Personally I will be traveling, vacationing, and actually doing things. I'm going to live life. If you want to cower under the bed that's on you but stop screwing with the rest of us. The solution is to get out of your basement and stop panicking. Sorry, who the fuck are you to comment on my life experience? Oh that's right, an idiot with a keyboard who is devoid of any solutions for practical ideas to help people with a once in a hundred year pandemic. Enjoy your virus you self centered Dickhead, you can be one of the lovely stories we all get to read about. |
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