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Post by atreyu on Mar 31, 2021 16:29:27 GMT
So your deep study was reading the title of the book. Got it. That explains why you're so far off the mark. It's the origin of the species, not the origin of life.
There a difference between evolutionists saying how old the earth and sun is, and saying that it's part of the theory of evolution, which it is not.
Darwin's book taught evolution. The Origin of Species is about life. The word species alludes to living things. Evolution theory teaches about the origin of all things, from the universe to the first living cells. But I already proved you did not know evolution theory.
So you've changed your mind? You just stated that evolution starts at the first living cells. NOT the origination of life. You got to make up your mind.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 31, 2021 16:36:26 GMT
Darwin's book taught evolution. The Origin of Species is about life. The word species alludes to living things. Evolution theory teaches about the origin of all things, from the universe to the first living cells. But I already proved you did not know evolution theory. Honestly, your posts are becoming at the same time increasingly arrogant and ignorant. Evolution starts with the materials from while life could diversify (i.e., living matter). It says nothing about the origin of those materials. It also says nothing about "pre-life" or "abiogenesis" (although some are trying to prove some kind of "chemical evolution" that precedes the mechanisms of RNA and DNA). Really, this is quite basic knowledge of the theory of evolution. It's like you're determined to prove your own ignorance by your misrepresentation of the theory. If you want to disprove something, challenge WHAT IT SAYS, not WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. This is basic. So go ahead, challenge evolution. But don't challenge some kind of weird distortion of evolution and think you're challenging evolution. That's what I'm doing. But you are not being honest. You've been a compulsive liar since you got here. You claim to be a Christian but believe evolution over God. You deny evolution theory's doctrines that anyone can find in articles written by evolutionists!! Evolutionists have a theory for every aspect of existence. If you don't know this by now then you're the one who's ignorant. And in your ignorance you are the one who's arrogant by calling your Senior creationist ignorant. You have no respect for Christians but atheists here really like you and cheer you on. A worldly person will always be well received by the world. So far all I see in you is a disrespectful, disrespectful, disingenuous manipulator. That's far removed from Christian conduct. You are not fooling anybody. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 31, 2021 16:37:35 GMT
Darwin's book taught evolution. The Origin of Species is about life. The word species alludes to living things. Evolution theory teaches about the origin of all things, from the universe to the first living cells. But I already proved you did not know evolution theory.
So you've changed your mind? You just stated that evolution starts at the first living cells. NOT the origination of life. You got to make up your mind.
Another manipulating atheist who thinks by manipulating he can win debates. Look, I already destroyed your argument. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 31, 2021 18:34:21 GMT
Honestly, your posts are becoming at the same time increasingly arrogant and ignorant. Evolution starts with the materials from while life could diversify (i.e., living matter). It says nothing about the origin of those materials. It also says nothing about "pre-life" or "abiogenesis" (although some are trying to prove some kind of "chemical evolution" that precedes the mechanisms of RNA and DNA). Really, this is quite basic knowledge of the theory of evolution. It's like you're determined to prove your own ignorance by your misrepresentation of the theory. If you want to disprove something, challenge WHAT IT SAYS, not WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. This is basic. So go ahead, challenge evolution. But don't challenge some kind of weird distortion of evolution and think you're challenging evolution. That's what I'm doing. But you are not being honest. You've been a compulsive liar since you got here. You claim to be a Christian but believe evolution over God. You deny evolution theory's doctrines that anyone can find in articles written by evolutionists!! Evolutionists have a theory for every aspect of existence. If you don't know this by now then you're the one who's ignorant. And in your ignorance you are the one who's arrogant by calling your Senior creationist ignorant. You have no respect for Christians but atheists here really like you and cheer you on. A worldly person will always be well received by the world. So far all I see in you is a disrespectful, disrespectful, disingenuous manipulator. That's far removed from Christian conduct. You are not fooling anybody. I don't treat Christians with disrespect. Not at all. However, long before "we got into it," you were making all kinds of accusations and judgments towards me, calling me a liar, misrepresenting my positions and statements, etc. So...I don't see where that is coming from except that I have challenged you on one non-essential issue: young-earth Creationism. Why is that? |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 31, 2021 22:20:12 GMT
So you've changed your mind? You just stated that evolution starts at the first living cells. NOT the origination of life. You got to make up your mind.
Another manipulating atheist who thinks by manipulating he can win debates. Look, I already destroyed your argument.
You destroyed your own argument.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Apr 1, 2021 8:17:35 GMT
That's what I'm doing. But you are not being honest. You've been a compulsive liar since you got here. You claim to be a Christian but believe evolution over God. You deny evolution theory's doctrines that anyone can find in articles written by evolutionists!! Evolutionists have a theory for every aspect of existence. If you don't know this by now then you're the one who's ignorant. And in your ignorance you are the one who's arrogant by calling your Senior creationist ignorant. You have no respect for Christians but atheists here really like you and cheer you on. A worldly person will always be well received by the world. So far all I see in you is a disrespectful, disrespectful, disingenuous manipulator. That's far removed from Christian conduct. You are not fooling anybody. I don't treat Christians with disrespect. Not at all. However, long before "we got into it," you were making all kinds of accusations and judgments towards me, calling me a liar, misrepresenting my positions and statements, etc. So...I don't see where that is coming from except that I have challenged you on one non-essential issue: young-earth Creationism. Why is that? You started it with your assumptions. You have not been challenging YEC. You've been challenging Scripture. You claimed Gen.1:3 is the Big Bang which is not true. Its a bad interpretation and yes, one I used to hold as well. You challenged the shape of the earth in the Bible saying its flat. If you don't agree its round in Scripture then you advocate for a flat earth. Logic is an either/or type of reasoning. It is either yes or it is no; it is either true or it is untrue. There is no compromising the Absolutes of Scripture. In order to hold your evolutionist view you have to complete dismiss the Bible as Holy and ignore all the wisdom of the church fathers exegesis of Scripture. OEC, ANE, TE and all these other views are false and demonstrably proven false. YEC is what Scripture teaches. I trust God's word over man's vain and corrupt imaginations. I have already proven for you that evolution is ancient mythology. A faithful Christian would break the spell of evolution at that point. Scripture does not teach evolution. The early church refuted evolution over 1000 years before Darwin. Real science doesn't support evolution. Therefore there is no reason you should fear evolution. I've held to YEC for 18 years and have had no problem believing it. Truth is, there is not one scientist who knows the age of the earth. Its all theory and conjecture. Notice how all evolutionists are part of the Socialist regime in America. Truth never associates with error. evolutionists are Democrats and we know Democrats are the worst liars in the world. Evolution theory has always been about power over the people. Its fascism in the guise of science. Once you stop fearing evolution you'll become a much more effective and trustworthy witness. But as it is, right now, you're preaching on the subject of creationism has been that of a heretic, or even a charlatan. You either trust God or you trust corrupt Socialists. Evolution theory is Socialism and Socialism means not true. Every Socialist government is evil and they all believed in evolution. Learn how to make the connection between good and evil. Then you will know better than to associate evil with the work of God. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Apr 1, 2021 8:18:33 GMT
Another manipulating atheist who thinks by manipulating he can win debates. Look, I already destroyed your argument.
You destroyed your own argument.
Words...words without examples. You don't even have an argument here. You're nothing but a clown. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 1, 2021 12:31:59 GMT
I don't treat Christians with disrespect. Not at all. However, long before "we got into it," you were making all kinds of accusations and judgments towards me, calling me a liar, misrepresenting my positions and statements, etc. So...I don't see where that is coming from except that I have challenged you on one non-essential issue: young-earth Creationism. Why is that? You started it with your assumptions. You have not been challenging YEC. You've been challenging Scripture. You claimed Gen.1:3 is the Big Bang which is not true. Its a bad interpretation and yes, one I used to hold as well. You challenged the shape of the earth in the Bible saying its flat. If you don't agree its round in Scripture then you advocate for a flat earth. Logic is an either/or type of reasoning. It is either yes or it is no; it is either true or it is untrue. There is no compromising the Absolutes of Scripture. In order to hold your evolutionist view you have to complete dismiss the Bible as Holy and ignore all the wisdom of the church fathers exegesis of Scripture. OEC, ANE, TE and all these other views are false and demonstrably proven false. YEC is what Scripture teaches. I trust God's word over man's vain and corrupt imaginations. I have already proven for you that evolution is ancient mythology. A faithful Christian would break the spell of evolution at that point. Scripture does not teach evolution. The early church refuted evolution over 1000 years before Darwin. Real science doesn't support evolution. Therefore there is no reason you should fear evolution. I've held to YEC for 18 years and have had no problem believing it. Truth is, there is not one scientist who knows the age of the earth. Its all theory and conjecture. Notice how all evolutionists are part of the Socialist regime in America. Truth never associates with error. evolutionists are Democrats and we know Democrats are the worst liars in the world. Evolution theory has always been about power over the people. Its fascism in the guise of science. Once you stop fearing evolution you'll become a much more effective and trustworthy witness. But as it is, right now, you're preaching on the subject of creationism has been that of a heretic, or even a charlatan. You either trust God or you trust corrupt Socialists. Evolution theory is Socialism and Socialism means not true. Every Socialist government is evil and they all believed in evolution. Learn how to make the connection between good and evil. Then you will know better than to associate evil with the work of God. I made no claim that Genesis 1:3 referred to the Big Bang. I don’t believe that. I MAY have suggested that someone might read it that way but I don’t. If that’s the reason for your crusade and personal attacks, it’s based on a lie. I also did not claim that the Bible says the earth is flat. In fact, I’ve already confirmed and clarified. If you have further dishonest accusations to make about what I post, why don’t you find them and quote them? |
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Post by atreyu on Apr 1, 2021 16:20:14 GMT
You destroyed your own argument.
Words...words without examples. You don't even have an argument here. You're nothing but a clown.
It's easy enough to watch you contradict yourself.
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Post by FEZZILLA on May 1, 2021 4:59:49 GMT
Here's a prime example of intellectual dishonesty right here. Darwin's book taught evolution. The Origin of Species is about life. The word species alludes to living things. Evolution theory teaches about the origin of all things, from the universe to the first living cells. But I already proved you did not know evolution theory. Honestly, your posts are becoming at the same time increasingly arrogant and ignorant. Evolution starts with the materials from which life could diversify (i.e., living matter). It says nothing about the origin of those materials. It also says nothing about "pre-life" or "abiogenesis" (although some are trying to prove some kind of "chemical evolution" that precedes the mechanisms of RNA and DNA). Really, this is quite basic knowledge of the theory of evolution. It's like you're determined to prove your own ignorance by your misrepresentation of the theory. If you want to disprove something, challenge WHAT IT SAYS, not WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. This is basic. So go ahead, challenge evolution. But don't challenge some kind of weird distortion of evolution and think you're challenging evolution. EDIT: What Carl Sagan says about the origin of materials ("stardust") is not the "theory of evolution." That he "is an evolutionist" has no bearing on it, just as if he says chocolate chip cookies should be made with sifted flour doesn't make those chocolate chip cookies "part of the theory of evolution" or "evolutionist chocolate chip cookies." That's funny because not one major evolutionist agrees with you. Evolution, according to mainstream evolutionists, starts at the Big Bang. From the Big Bang lifeless matter evolves into the first living cells. This jump from non-life to life is called spontaneous generation (or aka abiogenesis). You can read any major article from a mainstream evolutionist or watch a documentary from mainstream institutions that advocate for evolution and none of them agree with what you sad here. What you are basically saying to me is the facts don't matter. I've had many atheists tell me that atheism doesn't depend on evolution being true. Decoded, this says that facts don't matter to atheists. You are the one here misrepresenting evolution theory. You're just making-it-all-up-as-you-go. Take your own advice. I've learned evolution theory since early childhood. I've challenged it all over the world and in countries that outscore the U.S. academically every year. You should (a) learn what evolution theory teaches (b) learn how to be an intellectually honest person because your intellectual dishonesty is pathetic. Oh looky what we have here. An inexperienced moron who now claims Sagan never knew the theory of evolution. I've watch all of Sagan's Cosmos series and he was teaching evolution throughout the entire series. Sagan was no creationist. He hated God and the Bible! His stardust comment was in line with his belief in evolution theory. He was not talking about cookies. His entire program focused on the evolution of the cosmos and how we supposedly evolved from star stuff. Back then Sagan was the top dog of evolution theory. So your denial that Sagan's comment is not about evolution continues to expose your blatant dishonesty on the matter. |
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2021 13:49:35 GMT
Here's a prime example of intellectual dishonesty right here. Honestly, your posts are becoming at the same time increasingly arrogant and ignorant. Evolution starts with the materials from which life could diversify (i.e., living matter). It says nothing about the origin of those materials. It also says nothing about "pre-life" or "abiogenesis" (although some are trying to prove some kind of "chemical evolution" that precedes the mechanisms of RNA and DNA). Really, this is quite basic knowledge of the theory of evolution. It's like you're determined to prove your own ignorance by your misrepresentation of the theory. If you want to disprove something, challenge WHAT IT SAYS, not WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. This is basic. So go ahead, challenge evolution. But don't challenge some kind of weird distortion of evolution and think you're challenging evolution. EDIT: What Carl Sagan says about the origin of materials ("stardust") is not the "theory of evolution." That he "is an evolutionist" has no bearing on it, just as if he says chocolate chip cookies should be made with sifted flour doesn't make those chocolate chip cookies "part of the theory of evolution" or "evolutionist chocolate chip cookies." That's funny because not one major evolutionist agrees with you. Evolution, according to mainstream evolutionists, starts at the Big Bang. From the Big Bang lifeless matter evolves into the first living cells. This jump from non-life to life is called spontaneous generation (or aka abiogenesis). You can read any major article from a mainstream evolutionist or watch a documentary from mainstream institutions that advocate for evolution and none of them agree with what you sad here. What you are basically saying to me is the facts don't matter. I've had many atheists tell me that atheism doesn't depend on evolution being true. Decoded, this says that facts don't matter to atheists. What they call "chemical evolution" is not evolution. Even so-called "chemical evolution" does not start with the Big Bang. It requires chemicals. There are no chemicals at the Big Bang. Evolution as such does not explain abiogenesis. Find a scientist that disagrees with those statements and offer a direct quote. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on May 1, 2021 15:18:22 GMT
Here's a prime example of intellectual dishonesty right here. That's funny because not one major evolutionist agrees with you. Evolution, according to mainstream evolutionists, starts at the Big Bang. From the Big Bang lifeless matter evolves into the first living cells. This jump from non-life to life is called spontaneous generation (or aka abiogenesis). You can read any major article from a mainstream evolutionist or watch a documentary from mainstream institutions that advocate for evolution and none of them agree with what you sad here. What you are basically saying to me is the facts don't matter. I've had many atheists tell me that atheism doesn't depend on evolution being true. Decoded, this says that facts don't matter to atheists. What they call "chemical evolution" is not evolution. Even so-called "chemical evolution" does not start with the Big Bang. It requires chemicals. There are no chemicals at the Big Bang. Evolution as such does not explain abiogenesis. Find a scientist that disagrees with those statements and offer a direct quote. i just look at any course on evolution in schools or documentaries. Evolution theory begins at the big bang. It might not be politically correct for you to say that but I don't much give a shit about political correctness so I just tell it the way it is. But evolution must truly be a mystical view that nobody knows because obviously nobody knows the theory, not you or anybody else. |
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2021 15:38:25 GMT
What they call "chemical evolution" is not evolution. Even so-called "chemical evolution" does not start with the Big Bang. It requires chemicals. There are no chemicals at the Big Bang. Evolution as such does not explain abiogenesis. Find a scientist that disagrees with those statements and offer a direct quote. i just look at any course on evolution in schools or documentaries. Evolution theory begins at the big bang. It might not be politically correct for you to say that but I don't much give a shit about political correctness so I just tell it the way it is. But evolution must truly be a mystical view that nobody knows because obviously nobody knows the theory, not you or anybody else. Quotes, man, quotes! Shouldn't be difficult. |
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Post by Running Deer on May 2, 2021 17:41:28 GMT
Creationists tend to use "evolution" to mean "the natural development of the universe, as proposed by scientists". It's sloppy terminology, and you will not find scientists using it, but it's not a fatal misunderstanding. It would be better if they used a term like "naturalism", but I get what they're trying to say.
It's somewhat like "Humans came from monkeys!" Technically, humans and monkeys come from a common primate ancestor, so humans don't come from monkeys. But I also understand that the person saying "Humans came from monkeys!" is using "monkeys" in the sense of "small primate". The same person might also call a lemur a "monkey", which is not proper biological classification, but falls within the common meaning of "small primate". If a person says "Humans came from monkeys!" and mean "Humans came from small primates!", they understand the theory, even if they don't understand the terminology. I may correct their terminology in the course of the discussion, but I try to meet them there.
As a side note, the word "monkey" is several centuries older than modern biological classification, so it's science that took a common word and gave it a technical meaning. It's not the public's denigration of scientific terminology, but science giving a technical definition that is slightly different from the common one. The terminology differences are understandable. Even more interesting, the word "monkey" may actually mean "little man", which is a delicious irony!
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Post by FEZZILLA on May 3, 2021 0:01:13 GMT
i just look at any course on evolution in schools or documentaries. Evolution theory begins at the big bang. It might not be politically correct for you to say that but I don't much give a shit about political correctness so I just tell it the way it is. But evolution must truly be a mystical view that nobody knows because obviously nobody knows the theory, not you or anybody else. Quotes, man, quotes! Shouldn't be difficult. Was hoping you knew the theory of evolution good enough to save me the time in quotes. Besides, I recall already posting numerous articles and videos on one of these topics refuting your ignorance. In the end the research is up to you. I'm not gonna do your research for you. I do not have time to entertain intellectual cowards nor will I. You are either honest with yourself or you're not. You are either honest with others or you're not. I don't debate philosophy as I have abandoned philosophy completely. I know in the end that you will either be honest or you won't be. I'm not gonna philosophize with your nonsense. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on May 3, 2021 0:04:07 GMT
Creationists tend to use "evolution" to mean "the natural development of the universe, as proposed by scientists". It's sloppy terminology, and you will not find scientists using it, but it's not a fatal misunderstanding. It would be better if they used a term like "naturalism", but I get what they're trying to say. It's somewhat like "Humans came from monkeys!" Technically, humans and monkeys come from a common primate ancestor, so humans don't come from monkeys. But I also understand that the person saying "Humans came from monkeys!" is using "monkeys" in the sense of "small primate". The same person might also call a lemur a "monkey", which is not proper biological classification, but falls within the common meaning of "small primate". If a person says "Humans came from monkeys!" and mean "Humans came from small primates!", they understand the theory, even if they don't understand the terminology. I may correct their terminology in the course of the discussion, but I try to meet them there. As a side note, the word "monkey" is several centuries older than modern biological classification, so it's science that took a common word and gave it a technical meaning. It's not the public's denigration of scientific terminology, but science giving a technical definition that is slightly different from the common one. The terminology differences are understandable. Even more interesting, the word "monkey" may actually mean "little man", which is a delicious irony!  |
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Post by oldtrapper on May 3, 2021 3:59:27 GMT
Honestly, your posts are becoming at the same time increasingly arrogant and ignorant. Evolution starts with the materials from while life could diversify (i.e., living matter). It says nothing about the origin of those materials. It also says nothing about "pre-life" or "abiogenesis" (although some are trying to prove some kind of "chemical evolution" that precedes the mechanisms of RNA and DNA). Really, this is quite basic knowledge of the theory of evolution. It's like you're determined to prove your own ignorance by your misrepresentation of the theory. If you want to disprove something, challenge WHAT IT SAYS, not WHAT IT DOESN'T SAY. This is basic. So go ahead, challenge evolution. But don't challenge some kind of weird distortion of evolution and think you're challenging evolution. That's what I'm doing. But you are not being honest. You've been a compulsive liar since you got here. You claim to be a Christian but believe evolution over God. You deny evolution theory's doctrines that anyone can find in articles written by evolutionists!! Evolutionists have a theory for every aspect of existence. If you don't know this by now then you're the one who's ignorant. And in your ignorance you are the one who's arrogant by calling your Senior creationist ignorant. You have no respect for Christians but atheists here really like you and cheer you on. A worldly person will always be well received by the world. So far all I see in you is a disrespectful, disrespectful, disingenuous manipulator. That's far removed from Christian conduct. You are not fooling anybody.  And the liar declares another to be a unChristian. Tell us fool, where does the Bible oppose evolution?
"Many believe that before Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, Christians as a whole maintained an entirely literal, six-day interpretation of Genesis in which the earth was only a few thousand years old. In fact, however, the idea of an old earth had already become increasingly popular among Christians throughout the half century leading up to The Origin of Species.1
Another misconception is that the arrival of Darwin’s theory led the scientific and theological communities to immediately take up positions opposing each other. But history reveals that one of the earliest supporters of evolutionary theory in the American scientific community was a devout Christian botanist named Asa Gray. And among theologians, BB Warfield—an architect of the contemporary evangelical understanding of biblical inerrancy—believed that certain forms of evolution were also compatible with a high view of Scripture.
The First Christian Response to Origin of Species in America
Darwin did not invent the idea of evolution. By the time The Origin of Species was published, the idea of evolution in many natural processes was already popular, and the term development was used in its place for discussions of society’s change or the history of the solar system.2 What’s more, it was widely accepted that the earth was much older than previously thought. Most of the groundwork for this understanding resulted from geological work done earlier that century. Through meticulous study of the fossil record, naturalists helped spread the view that the earth was old rather than young.
Though many people like to focus on Christian hostility to evolutionary theory, a careful look at history reveals some surprising facts. For instance, the first American scientist to carefully review and publicly support Darwin’s Origin of Species was a devout Christian named Asa Gray, now regarded as one of the most prominent American biologists of the 19th century. A shy person who avoided politics, Gray worked quietly and does not have the same name recognition as scientists like Louis Agassiz and T.H. Huxley—both flamboyant self-promoters who provoked public debate. But, his brilliant research during his 30-year career at Harvard University helped usher in the era of modern biology in the United States."
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Post by oldtrapper on May 3, 2021 4:11:36 GMT
Quotes, man, quotes! Shouldn't be difficult. Was hoping you knew the theory of evolution good enough to save me the time in quotes. Besides, I recall already posting numerous articles and videos on one of these topics refuting your ignorance. In the end the research is up to you. I'm not gonna do your research for you. I do not have time to entertain intellectual cowards nor will I. You are either honest with yourself or you're not. You are either honest with others or you're not. I don't debate philosophy as I have abandoned philosophy completely. I know in the end that you will either be honest or you won't be. I'm not gonna philosophize with your nonsense. And once again the lying fool cannot prove he is not a lying fool.  |
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Post by FEZZILLA on May 3, 2021 7:11:17 GMT
Was hoping you knew the theory of evolution good enough to save me the time in quotes. Besides, I recall already posting numerous articles and videos on one of these topics refuting your ignorance. In the end the research is up to you. I'm not gonna do your research for you. I do not have time to entertain intellectual cowards nor will I. You are either honest with yourself or you're not. You are either honest with others or you're not. I don't debate philosophy as I have abandoned philosophy completely. I know in the end that you will either be honest or you won't be. I'm not gonna philosophize with your nonsense. And once again the lying fool cannot prove he is not a lying fool. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe I don't like to argue with argumentative fools? Its a waste of time. If you want to debate then you better be serious. I do not have to reply to anybody if I think that person is just a troll. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on May 3, 2021 7:42:46 GMT
That's what I'm doing. But you are not being honest. You've been a compulsive liar since you got here. You claim to be a Christian but believe evolution over God. You deny evolution theory's doctrines that anyone can find in articles written by evolutionists!! Evolutionists have a theory for every aspect of existence. If you don't know this by now then you're the one who's ignorant. And in your ignorance you are the one who's arrogant by calling your Senior creationist ignorant. You have no respect for Christians but atheists here really like you and cheer you on. A worldly person will always be well received by the world. So far all I see in you is a disrespectful, disrespectful, disingenuous manipulator. That's far removed from Christian conduct. You are not fooling anybody. And the liar declares another to be a unChristian. Tell us fool, where does the Bible oppose evolution?
"Many believe that before Darwin published The Origin of Species in 1859, Christians as a whole maintained an entirely literal, six-day interpretation of Genesis in which the earth was only a few thousand years old. In fact, however, the idea of an old earth had already become increasingly popular among Christians throughout the half century leading up to The Origin of Species.1
Another misconception is that the arrival of Darwin’s theory led the scientific and theological communities to immediately take up positions opposing each other. But history reveals that one of the earliest supporters of evolutionary theory in the American scientific community was a devout Christian botanist named Asa Gray. And among theologians, BB Warfield—an architect of the contemporary evangelical understanding of biblical inerrancy—believed that certain forms of evolution were also compatible with a high view of Scripture.
The First Christian Response to Origin of Species in America
Darwin did not invent the idea of evolution. By the time The Origin of Species was published, the idea of evolution in many natural processes was already popular, and the term development was used in its place for discussions of society’s change or the history of the solar system.2 What’s more, it was widely accepted that the earth was much older than previously thought. Most of the groundwork for this understanding resulted from geological work done earlier that century. Through meticulous study of the fossil record, naturalists helped spread the view that the earth was old rather than young.
Though many people like to focus on Christian hostility to evolutionary theory, a careful look at history reveals some surprising facts. For instance, the first American scientist to carefully review and publicly support Darwin’s Origin of Species was a devout Christian named Asa Gray, now regarded as one of the most prominent American biologists of the 19th century. A shy person who avoided politics, Gray worked quietly and does not have the same name recognition as scientists like Louis Agassiz and T.H. Huxley—both flamboyant self-promoters who provoked public debate. But, his brilliant research during his 30-year career at Harvard University helped usher in the era of modern biology in the United States."
Genesis 1:1 for starters: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Evolution is an uncreated universe. It might be necessary here to inform you that all the early church fathers very strongly opposed Darwin's theory of evolution well over 1000 years before Darwin was born. In the link below you'll see a 2nd century Christian theologian reject evolution theory. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/61836/threadRoman's 1:18-32 and 2Peter 3:3-7 are also two passages that prophesy against evolution theory. In the Apocrypha you can read the first three chapters of Wisdom and that refutes the atheist view as well. Popularity has nothing to do with this since the word of God cannot be changed. Scripture teaches creation and the global Flood. Christians rejected his theory right from the start. In fact, you can go back over a thousand years to the first 4 centuries of Christianity and find that the ancient Christians knew all about evolution theory. Darwin was a false prophet who borrowed his ape-to-man myth from the eastern mystics. St.Augustine exposed that well. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/61831/thread Oh believe me I know that. Its ancient pagan mythology. it was popular with immoral men who were into swinging. They found an excuse to demoralize civilized society so they can commit adultery. Unhistorical methods of dating is not science. A scientist has to be able to prove all things beyond mere conjecture and hypothesis. Evolution is a philosophy at best. Though in reality its pagan superstition. Modern science wasn't even founded on old earth. Bishop Ussher's timeline was the standard of the day. Atheists made no contributions to science so all they have is their mouths and nothing to show that they are scientists. Here is a list of very famous scientists who were Christians and their groundbreaking contributions. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/44684/threadEvolutionists don't invent anything. They just preach philosophy. Now where in the Bible do you find evolution theory being taught?? |
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