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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 6:48:31 GMT
We Christians don't believe in a god or any gods. When you use the lowercase g you imply polytheism/pantheism. You need only to ask yourself that question since evolution theory is polytheist/pantheist religion. But, to overlook ad grammar and answer the question you intended to ask, Christians are monotheist. We believe God transcends time and space; that God is Singularity...the "I AM" of Exo.3:14. God always existed and was never created. That's part of the understanding of monotheism, that only one God exist. This one God is the Singularity of all there is, was, or ever will be. God is Eternal Life...our Father.
Evolution is a theory, not a religion.
Christians are very much polytheistic, believing that god is actually three different personalities.
You can believe whatever you want, you have no evidence. If things can exist outside of time and space, then adding a god or gods into the mix just adds complexity for no reason.
Christians do not believe in three gods. The Trinity is one God in three Persons. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods but one God. That is ancient Christianity. The Trinity can be compared to a egg. There are three substances to an egg. The shell is the egg. The white is the egg. The yoke is the egg. But there are not three eggs but one egg. Likewise with the Trinity. Christianity has always been a monotheistic religion. Evolution has always been pagan religion and part of the pantheon of gods. You can see proof that both atheism and evolution theory is Greek mythology. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/61836/thread |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 24, 2021 11:54:28 GMT
Evolution is a theory, not a religion.
Christians are very much polytheistic, believing that god is actually three different personalities.
You can believe whatever you want, you have no evidence. If things can exist outside of time and space, then adding a god or gods into the mix just adds complexity for no reason.
Christians do not believe in three gods. The Trinity is one God in three Persons. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God. But there are not three gods but one God. That is ancient Christianity. The Trinity can be compared to a egg. There are three substances to an egg. The shell is the egg. The white is the egg. The yoke is the egg. But there are not three eggs but one egg. Likewise with the Trinity. Christianity has always been a monotheistic religion. Evolution has always been pagan religion and part of the pantheon of gods. You can see proof that both atheism and evolution theory is Greek mythology. libertynewsforum.boards.net/post/61836/thread
Ah gotcha, three gods that you rationalize to one by magic.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 15:03:19 GMT
Not necessarily a logical fallacy. He doesn't state it as such (that I've seen), but I've heard it described as such: "Everything that comes into existence has a Creator." God doesn't "come into existence." If the universe could (theoretically) "always exist," then why couldn't God "always exist"?
Nothing, but what explanatory power or predictive power does it give us to say that? What supporting scientific evidence is there that is the case?
I think there's a presumption there...that "something is only true or valuable" if it has predictive or explanatory power. Is that legitimate? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 15:03:54 GMT
Yeah, but who created god?
We Christians don't believe in a god or any gods. When you use the lowercase g you imply polytheism/pantheism. You need only to ask yourself that question since evolution theory is polytheist/pantheist religion. Come on, now...there are no "capitals" in the original texts... |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 24, 2021 16:14:17 GMT
Nothing, but what explanatory power or predictive power does it give us to say that? What supporting scientific evidence is there that is the case?
I think there's a presumption there...that "something is only true or valuable" if it has predictive or explanatory power. Is that legitimate?
Give the current subject matter, yes, I'd say that legitimate.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 17:40:47 GMT
I think there's a presumption there...that "something is only true or valuable" if it has predictive or explanatory power. Is that legitimate?
Give the current subject matter, yes, I'd say that legitimate.
In the religion forum?! I'd say it's certainly not out of the question (although limiting predictions or explanatory power to the material world seems...I don't know, "limiting" certainly isn't strong enough), but it's hardly the "whole story" when it comes to evaluating the truth, usefulness, or whatever, of religious belief. No? |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 24, 2021 22:50:16 GMT
We Christians don't believe in a god or any gods. When you use the lowercase g you imply polytheism/pantheism. You need only to ask yourself that question since evolution theory is polytheist/pantheist religion. Come on, now...there are no "capitals" in the original texts... There are in English. English grammar always changes. When referring to the Eternal Living God of monotheism you spell God with a capital G. When referring to idol gods of a finite nature you spell god with a small g. That's just how English grammar works. Is been that way as far back as I can remember. I think this began as far back as the 16th century. I can't right off hand remember which Bible started that but I'm 99% positive that it was one of the 16th century Bibles. |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 24, 2021 22:53:22 GMT
Give the current subject matter, yes, I'd say that legitimate.
In the religion forum?! I'd say it's certainly not out of the question (although limiting predictions or explanatory power to the material world seems...I don't know, "limiting" certainly isn't strong enough), but it's hardly the "whole story" when it comes to evaluating the truth, usefulness, or whatever, of religious belief. No?
I mean you make good point that religion is useless because it has no power. :-)
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Post by atreyu on Mar 24, 2021 22:55:52 GMT
Come on, now...there are no "capitals" in the original texts... There are in English. English grammar always changes. When referring to the Eternal Living God of monotheism you spell God with a capital G. When referring to idol gods of a finite nature you spell god with a small g. That's just how English grammar works. Is been that way as far back as I can remember. I think this began as far back as the 16th century. I can't right off hand remember which Bible started that but I'm 99% positive that it was one of the 16th century Bibles.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Who cares? There is more than one "Eternal Living God" according to religious people, so it's still Gods or gods.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 24, 2021 23:46:58 GMT
In the religion forum?! I'd say it's certainly not out of the question (although limiting predictions or explanatory power to the material world seems...I don't know, "limiting" certainly isn't strong enough), but it's hardly the "whole story" when it comes to evaluating the truth, usefulness, or whatever, of religious belief. No?
I mean you make good point that religion is useless because it has no power. :-)
What do you mean by "power"? Are you saying religion has no power? |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 0:29:44 GMT
I mean you make good point that religion is useless because it has no power. :-)
What do you mean by "power"? Are you saying religion has no power? On this particular issue no predictive power, no educational power, nothing that advances us, adds greater understanding etc.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 0:38:25 GMT
What do you mean by "power"? Are you saying religion has no power? On this particular issue no predictive power, no educational power, nothing that advances us, adds greater understanding etc.
It was Christianity that founded modern civilization, founded and established modern science, and founded education. Your history is awful. |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 0:43:12 GMT
There are in English. English grammar always changes. When referring to the Eternal Living God of monotheism you spell God with a capital G. When referring to idol gods of a finite nature you spell god with a small g. That's just how English grammar works. Is been that way as far back as I can remember. I think this began as far back as the 16th century. I can't right off hand remember which Bible started that but I'm 99% positive that it was one of the 16th century Bibles.
You're missing the forest for the trees. Who cares? There is more than one "Eternal Living God" according to religious people, so it's still Gods or gods.
Wrong again. Most world religions were polytheistic, pantheistic, henotheistic. Today, the only religions that are monotheistic are Judaism and Christianity. The ancient Ebla tablets reveal monotheism and you can hear echoes of monotheism is Egypt's most distant past. But there are only two monotheistic religions in the world today. And no, Islam is not monotheism. Islam is henotheism combined with monism. |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 0:57:58 GMT
On this particular issue no predictive power, no educational power, nothing that advances us, adds greater understanding etc.
It was Christianity that founded modern civilization, founded and established modern science, and founded education. Your history is awful. Yeah, I remember when Christians invented Arabic numerals.
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 1:00:50 GMT
You're missing the forest for the trees. Who cares? There is more than one "Eternal Living God" according to religious people, so it's still Gods or gods.
Wrong again. Most world religions were polytheistic, pantheistic, henotheistic. Today, the only religions that are monotheistic are Judaism and Christianity. The ancient Ebla tablets reveal monotheism and you can hear echoes of monotheism is Egypt's most distant past. But there are only two monotheistic religions in the world today. And no, Islam is not monotheism. Islam is henotheism combined with monism.
Sure sure.... whatever you say. 3 = 1.
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Post by Mercy for All on Mar 25, 2021 1:23:54 GMT
What do you mean by "power"? Are you saying religion has no power? On this particular issue no predictive power, no educational power, nothing that advances us, adds greater understanding etc.
Except providing the foundation for scientific pursuit. Charitable work beyond any other "belief system." The founding of public education, hospitals, universities. Certainly a lot of power misused as well. I mean, davejavu's incessant accusations of all the negative influences are more accurate than saying that religion has no power. |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 1:27:20 GMT
On this particular issue no predictive power, no educational power, nothing that advances us, adds greater understanding etc.
Except providing the foundation for scientific pursuit. Charitable work beyond any other "belief system." The founding of public education, hospitals, universities. Certainly a lot of power misused as well. I mean, davejavu's incessant accusations of all the negative influences are more accurate than saying that religion has no power.
I'm not saying there's nothing positive to come from Christianity (though I'd strongly disagree with the points you mentioned). Positive things have come from all kinds of religions. I was talking about this particular issue we were discussing.
More broadly I think most religions are a net negative. There may be exceptions like Buddhism.
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 25, 2021 22:00:03 GMT
Except providing the foundation for scientific pursuit. Charitable work beyond any other "belief system." The founding of public education, hospitals, universities. Certainly a lot of power misused as well. I mean, davejavu's incessant accusations of all the negative influences are more accurate than saying that religion has no power.
I'm not saying there's nothing positive to come from Christianity (though I'd strongly disagree with the points you mentioned). Positive things have come from all kinds of religions. I was talking about this particular issue we were discussing.
More broadly I think most religions are a net negative. There may be exceptions like Buddhism.
When Christians founded and established modern science and invented air travel as well as putting a man on the moon, what were the Buddhists doing? When Christians invented the entire medical field with all its hospitals, what were the Buddhists doing? Seems to me that Christians left the Buddhists in the dusts of their barbarism. |
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Post by atreyu on Mar 25, 2021 22:13:56 GMT
I'm not saying there's nothing positive to come from Christianity (though I'd strongly disagree with the points you mentioned). Positive things have come from all kinds of religions. I was talking about this particular issue we were discussing.
More broadly I think most religions are a net negative. There may be exceptions like Buddhism.
When Christians founded and established modern science and invented air travel as well as putting a man on the moon, what were the Buddhists doing? When Christians invented the entire medical field with all its hospitals, what were the Buddhists doing? Seems to me that Christians left the Buddhists in the dusts of their barbarism.
Gosh is there anything Christians didn't do?? |
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Post by FEZZILLA on Mar 26, 2021 5:41:59 GMT
When Christians founded and established modern science and invented air travel as well as putting a man on the moon, what were the Buddhists doing? When Christians invented the entire medical field with all its hospitals, what were the Buddhists doing? Seems to me that Christians left the Buddhists in the dusts of their barbarism.
Gosh is there anything Christians didn't do?? Do you have anything intelligent to add to this topic?? |
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