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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 13:18:23 GMT
Oh yes, I have a good friend who is one. He is pretty far right on most things. He thinks people are transing kids, Jews are lying to us about the shape of the earth, and the Vatican has some "3 Crown" trust that it rules the word through. Oh and the latest.. the hurricanes were steered by weather engineers so Blackrock could take over land with lithium deposits. Dude has a BS degree. A BS in BS, perhaps? Close, it is economics. lol |
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Post by Paleocon on Oct 18, 2024 13:33:35 GMT
That's not an honest assessment of what happened, but I don't expect honesty from any liberal.
I have refuted the flawed, biased and perverted logic used by Northern narrative zealots like you on all of those topics. I've made these two irrefutable point that: A) If Confederate Monuments were about white supremacy, that theme would be part of the engravings and depictions on the monuments themselves. Not a single Confederate monument meets that requirement.
B) The rhetoric from the dedication speeches only lasted about two minutes before the wind wiped away a filthy politicians empty words. And what did you do in the post above? Hand waving and denial rather than addressing those points.
You can do better than that, TL. Don't be like thor and Fiddler. We already have enough leftist animals on this forum without adding another volunteer.
Those points were found lacking in the original thread, by, well, everybody. 1) You can find engravings on the monuments themselves which clarify the racial intent, such as dual water fountains. 2) Mere hand-waving in response to important facts about context. In the 4 years that has passed since you were slapped around by an entire forum, you've been itching for a rematch and now that you have the microphone, you have no response. Those points destroyed you and your stupid peers in the original thread. I don't need a rematch unless you want me to kick your collective asses a second time. Show us this magical engraving that allegedly clarifies some racial intent, or admit that you aren't being honest about those memorials. Water fountains are not engravings. You're too stupid to realize that the SUBJECT of the Wilson County monument was not water fountains. Out of a thousand Confederate Memorials, you've found one and the only thing that you can point to is the water fountain on each end?
Statistically, you just lost again.
Try harder or look stupid as you do now. Your move.
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 16:43:35 GMT
Those points were found lacking in the original thread, by, well, everybody. 1) You can find engravings on the monuments themselves which clarify the racial intent, such as dual water fountains. 2) Mere hand-waving in response to important facts about context. In the 4 years that has passed since you were slapped around by an entire forum, you've been itching for a rematch and now that you have the microphone, you have no response. Those points destroyed you and your stupid peers in the original thread. I don't need a rematch unless you want me to kick your collective asses a second time. Show us this magical engraving that allegedly clarifies some racial intent, or admit that you aren't being honest about those memorials. Water fountains are not engravings. You're too stupid to realize that the SUBJECT of the Wilson County monument was not water fountains. Out of a thousand Confederate Memorials, you've found one and the only thing that you can point to is the water fountain on each end?
Statistically, you just lost again.
Try harder or look stupid as you do now. Your move.
You can huff and puff, you can pout, you can shout, you can whine, you can demand a recount, or a do-over, or a rematch, you can insist you won and everyone else is wrong, but none of it is convincing anybody and I don't even believe you yourself believe this nonsense. It's a lost cause. Move on. |
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Post by thor on Oct 18, 2024 17:16:39 GMT
Those points destroyed you and your stupid peers in the original thread. I don't need a rematch unless you want me to kick your collective asses a second time. Show us this magical engraving that allegedly clarifies some racial intent, or admit that you aren't being honest about those memorials. Water fountains are not engravings. You're too stupid to realize that the SUBJECT of the Wilson County monument was not water fountains. Out of a thousand Confederate Memorials, you've found one and the only thing that you can point to is the water fountain on each end?
Statistically, you just lost again.
Try harder or look stupid as you do now. Your move.
You can huff and puff, you can pout, you can shout, you can whine, you can demand a recount, or a do-over, or a rematch, you can insist you won and everyone else is wrong, but none of it is convincing anybody and I don't even believe you yourself believe this nonsense. It's a lost cause. Move on. I see what you did there.   |
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Post by Paleocon on Oct 18, 2024 17:34:08 GMT
Those points destroyed you and your stupid peers in the original thread. I don't need a rematch unless you want me to kick your collective asses a second time. Show us this magical engraving that allegedly clarifies some racial intent, or admit that you aren't being honest about those memorials. Water fountains are not engravings. You're too stupid to realize that the SUBJECT of the Wilson County monument was not water fountains. Out of a thousand Confederate Memorials, you've found one and the only thing that you can point to is the water fountain on each end?
Statistically, you just lost again.
Try harder or look stupid as you do now. Your move.
You can huff and puff, you can pout, you can shout, you can whine, you can demand a recount, or a do-over, or a rematch, you can insist you won and everyone else is wrong, but none of it is convincing anybody and I don't even believe you yourself believe this nonsense. It's a lost cause. Move on. All we see is the cowardly response above that shows everyone that you just don't have the courage or integrity to address the original points made.
I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to correct you and in that I've always been successful.
You keep referring to "everyone else" as if you can hide behind a volume of idiots, but you can't win this debate that way and you never could.
You lost and here's why. You cherry-picked a handful of isolated quotes and attempted to conflate such tiny amounts of evidence into a false narrative covering all of the monuments. I countered with the context of the whole story and the majority of facts to make both you and your alleged "evidence" look small and insignificant.
You've been brainwashed into a cult. I'm sorry what they've done to you, but you need to accept your loss and learn from it. You've been schooled and nothing will ever change that.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 18, 2024 17:42:09 GMT
My defense against your assertion that a right wing noticing of vast and unprecedented immigration under Biden-Harris might be a political strategy is really just a secret and dangerous anti-Semitic conspiracy theory? nah. I’m ok. I'm not picking up what you're laying down. It was a poorly constructed sentence on my part, admittedly. It was in response to this portion of your post: It's easier to simply pretend it's not happening and that these voices don't exist than to wrestle with it and mount some kind of defense. The implication is that I don't want to mount a defense. A defense against what? This, from your post previous to that... I am talking about the "Jews are poisoning are blood stuff." The lesser claim that the Democrats are importing voters is just what people say when they don't want to be accused of being racists, but are comfortable with simply being paranoid conspiracy theorists. I won't defend against the explicit accusation that everybody who sees an unprecedented increase in immigration during and immediately upon the inauguration of the Biden-Harris administration and thinks it might be deliberate and a strategic long-term initiative to increase the number of Democrat voters is actually just hiding a belief that they really think it must be a cabal of Jewish elites who are trying to poison the blood of America.That doesn't follow at all. There's nothing crazy about the former. And it, logically, need not be a cover for the latter. That's just the strawiest of straw man arguments. So I won't "mount a defense" against it. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 17:48:29 GMT
You can huff and puff, you can pout, you can shout, you can whine, you can demand a recount, or a do-over, or a rematch, you can insist you won and everyone else is wrong, but none of it is convincing anybody and I don't even believe you yourself believe this nonsense. It's a lost cause. Move on. All we see is the cowardly response above that shows everyone that you just don't have the courage or integrity to address the original points made. You're describing yourself. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 22:41:36 GMT
I'm not picking up what you're laying down. It was a poorly constructed sentence on my part, admittedly. It was in response to this portion of your post: It's easier to simply pretend it's not happening and that these voices don't exist than to wrestle with it and mount some kind of defense. The implication is that I don't want to mount a defense. A defense against what? This, from your post previous to that... I am talking about the "Jews are poisoning are blood stuff." The lesser claim that the Democrats are importing voters is just what people say when they don't want to be accused of being racists, but are comfortable with simply being paranoid conspiracy theorists. I won't defend against the explicit accusation that everybody who sees an unprecedented increase in immigration during and immediately upon the inauguration of the Biden-Harris administration and thinks it might be deliberate and a strategic long-term initiative to increase the number of Democrat voters is actually just hiding a belief that they really think it must be a cabal of Jewish elites who are trying to poison the blood of America.That doesn't follow at all. There's nothing crazy about the former. And it, logically, need not be a cover for the latter. That's just the strawiest of straw man arguments. So I won't "mount a defense" against it. I don't believe that *everyone* critical of immigration is making an anti-semitic argument. I am merely talking about the explicitly anti-semitic arguments that you hear on the right. There is a motte and bailey occurring here. I want to criticize hardcore paranoid, illiberal anti-semitic arguments and you keep giving me a wag of the finger for criticizing normal run of the mill pedestrian conservatives. Not every run of the mill conservative is a Nazi, or a Nazi fellow-traveler. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 18, 2024 23:06:40 GMT
It was a poorly constructed sentence on my part, admittedly. It was in response to this portion of your post: The implication is that I don't want to mount a defense. A defense against what? This, from your post previous to that... I won't defend against the explicit accusation that everybody who sees an unprecedented increase in immigration during and immediately upon the inauguration of the Biden-Harris administration and thinks it might be deliberate and a strategic long-term initiative to increase the number of Democrat voters is actually just hiding a belief that they really think it must be a cabal of Jewish elites who are trying to poison the blood of America.That doesn't follow at all. There's nothing crazy about the former. And it, logically, need not be a cover for the latter. That's just the strawiest of straw man arguments. So I won't "mount a defense" against it. I don't believe that *everyone* critical of immigration is making an anti-semitic argument. I am merely talking about the explicitly anti-semitic arguments that you hear on the right. There is a motte and bailey occurring here. I want to criticize hardcore paranoid, illiberal anti-semitic arguments and you keep giving me a wag of the finger for criticizing normal run of the mill pedestrian conservatives. Not every run of the mill conservative is a Nazi, or a Nazi fellow-traveler. How else am I supposed to read this? The implication is that if you use the “paranoid conspiracy theory” that there’s a perfect correlation between the Biden Harris administration and the most extreme and unprecedented wave of immigrants in history, then that’s just hiding a very racist, even more extreme conspiracy theory. |
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Post by Paleocon on Oct 18, 2024 23:33:06 GMT
All we see is the cowardly response above that shows everyone that you just don't have the courage or integrity to address the original points made. You're describing yourself. And you're lying to yourself. I destroyed your original points factually and statistically. I doubt that you have the balls to actually engage in an honest discussion about the fact that the Confederate Monuments didn't say anything or depict white supremacy in any way.
Makes you look pretty stupid, but being a liberal has the same effect.
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Post by Fiddler on Oct 18, 2024 23:45:45 GMT
You can huff and puff, you can pout, you can shout, you can whine, you can demand a recount, or a do-over, or a rematch, you can insist you won and everyone else is wrong, but none of it is convincing anybody and I don't even believe you yourself believe this nonsense. It's a lost cause. Move on. All we see is the cowardly response above that shows everyone that you just don't have the courage or integrity to address the original points made.
I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to correct you and in that I've always been successful.
You keep referring to "everyone else" as if you can hide behind a volume of idiots, but you can't win this debate that way and you never could.
You lost and here's why. You cherry-picked a handful of isolated quotes and attempted to conflate such tiny amounts of evidence into a false narrative covering all of the monuments. I countered with the context of the whole story and the majority of facts to make both you and your alleged "evidence" look small and insignificant.
You've been brainwashed into a cult. I'm sorry what they've done to you, but you need to accept your loss and learn from it. You've been schooled and nothing will ever change that.
Ladies and Gentlemen, take note.. we are in the presence of true greatness. It's as though God herself spoke the ultimate irony into existence..
Seldom, if ever, in forum history .. with all the ease of a pot-gutted Alabama deputy taking a drag off a Marlboro.. , with the effortlessness of a drunk pissing his pants.. with the frivolity of an unreconstructed inbred fluffing his Klan vestments.. has the delusions of the farthermost Right so succinctly been demonstrated as the post I am quoting...
Sublime .. I am in awe ..
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Post by thor on Oct 19, 2024 0:58:52 GMT
You can huff and puff, you can pout, you can shout, you can whine, you can demand a recount, or a do-over, or a rematch, you can insist you won and everyone else is wrong, but none of it is convincing anybody and I don't even believe you yourself believe this nonsense. It's a lost cause. Move on. All we see is the cowardly response above that shows everyone that you just don't have the courage or integrity to address the original points made.
I'm not here to convince you, I'm here to correct you and in that I've always been successful.
You keep referring to "everyone else" as if you can hide behind a volume of idiots, but you can't win this debate that way and you never could.
You lost and here's why. You cherry-picked a handful of isolated quotes and attempted to conflate such tiny amounts of evidence into a false narrative covering all of the monuments. I countered with the context of the whole story and the majority of facts to make both you and your alleged "evidence" look small and insignificant.
You've been brainwashed into a cult. I'm sorry what they've done to you, but you need to accept your loss and learn from it. You've been schooled and nothing will ever change that.
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 19, 2024 16:15:17 GMT
I don't believe that *everyone* critical of immigration is making an anti-semitic argument. I am merely talking about the explicitly anti-semitic arguments that you hear on the right. There is a motte and bailey occurring here. I want to criticize hardcore paranoid, illiberal anti-semitic arguments and you keep giving me a wag of the finger for criticizing normal run of the mill pedestrian conservatives. Not every run of the mill conservative is a Nazi, or a Nazi fellow-traveler. How else am I supposed to read this? The implication is that if you use the “paranoid conspiracy theory” that there’s a perfect correlation between the Biden Harris administration and the most extreme and unprecedented wave of immigrants in history, then that’s just hiding a very racist, even more extreme conspiracy theory. No, I am not saying that. There is a big difference between not being able to fix a complex problem and creating/controlling the problem. This notion that the Democrats are importing people who will vote a certain way is dumb and paranoid and essentially just a derivative of racial replacement theory. It's white-washing the theory. I don't think every conservative critic of immigration policy is making a replacement theory argument, or a derivative of such an argument, but many do. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 19, 2024 16:44:53 GMT
How else am I supposed to read this? The implication is that if you use the “paranoid conspiracy theory” that there’s a perfect correlation between the Biden Harris administration and the most extreme and unprecedented wave of immigrants in history, then that’s just hiding a very racist, even more extreme conspiracy theory. This notion that the Democrats are importing people who will vote a certain way is dumb and paranoid and essentially just a derivative of racial replacement theory. It's white-washing the theory. Calling it “dumb and paranoid” isn’t an argument. Though it might be slowly changing, Hispanics (outside of Cuban immigrants, which was actually limited by Obama — look it up) vote heavily for Democrats. And we have a perfect correlation between this administration and the biggest wave of illegal immigration in history. If you can’t explain that beyond “dumb and paranoid”, then there’s no reason to discuss further. |
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Post by Fiddler on Oct 19, 2024 17:08:15 GMT
You're describing yourself. And you're lying to yourself. I destroyed your original points factually and statistically. I doubt that you have the balls to actually engage in an honest discussion about the fact that the Confederate Monuments didn't say anything or depict white supremacy in any way.
Makes you look pretty stupid, but being a liberal has the same effect.
You destroyed nothing.. that includes your character which you yourself destroyed a decade or more ago when I first used the words and documents of Confederate leaders to lubricate the boots that I repeatedly planted up your ignorant ass ..
What is it you think Confederate Memorials are memorializing ? .. Rebel cowardice? Strategic incompetence? Chronic shortsightedness? Congenital arrogance?
They memorialize the core belief of the Confederacy.. i.e. the Superiority of the White Race ..
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 19, 2024 19:54:58 GMT
This notion that the Democrats are importing people who will vote a certain way is dumb and paranoid and essentially just a derivative of racial replacement theory. It's white-washing the theory. Calling it “dumb and paranoid” isn’t an argument. Though it might be slowly changing, Hispanics (outside of Cuban immigrants, which was actually limited by Obama — look it up) vote heavily for Democrats. And we have a perfect correlation between this administration and the biggest wave of illegal immigration in history. If you can’t explain that beyond “dumb and paranoid”, then there’s no reason to discuss further. I say it is dumb and paranoid because it is without argumentative support and relies on bogeyman explanations when spontaneous order explanations more than suffice. And their accusations are never backed by evidence. People are coming but there's no evidence they are being selected and assisted for political reasons. Another point: undocumented immigrants can't vote. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 19, 2024 19:57:53 GMT
Calling it “dumb and paranoid” isn’t an argument. Though it might be slowly changing, Hispanics (outside of Cuban immigrants, which was actually limited by Obama — look it up) vote heavily for Democrats. And we have a perfect correlation between this administration and the biggest wave of illegal immigration in history. If you can’t explain that beyond “dumb and paranoid”, then there’s no reason to discuss further. I say it is dumb and paranoid because it is without argumentative support and relies on bogeyman explanations when spontaneous order explanations more than suffice. And their accusations are never backed by evidence. People are coming but there's no evidence they are being selected and assisted for political reasons. Another point: undocumented immigrants can't vote. 1. Does it require “selected and assisted”? Or just procedural updates and barriers subtly removed? 2. “Can’t vote” is short term. I’m speaking to a long term strategy. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 19, 2024 20:01:38 GMT
I say it is dumb and paranoid because it is without argumentative support and relies on bogeyman explanations when spontaneous order explanations more than suffice. And their accusations are never backed by evidence. People are coming but there's no evidence they are being selected and assisted for political reasons. Another point: undocumented immigrants can't vote. 1. Does it require “selected and assisted”? Or just procedural updates and barriers subtly removed? 2. “Can’t vote” is short term. I’m speaking to a long term strategy. 1. I think it does, yes. It's the hair on fire rhetoric that gets eyeballs. Moderate criticism is uninteresting. 2. Well, unless the GOP goes along with making them citizens, I don't see a realistic path forward on that. Right now there is no effect on voting. And that doesn't seem poised to change. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 19, 2024 21:05:59 GMT
1. Does it require “selected and assisted”? Or just procedural updates and barriers subtly removed? 2. “Can’t vote” is short term. I’m speaking to a long term strategy. 1. I think it does, yes. It's the hair on fire rhetoric that gets eyeballs. Moderate criticism is uninteresting. 2. Well, unless the GOP goes along with making them citizens, I don't see a realistic path forward on that. Right now there is no effect on voting. And that doesn't seem poised to change. You’re still thinking too short term. 2nd Gen immigrants are full citizens. They vote far more for democrats than Republicans historically. |
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Post by thor on Oct 20, 2024 4:45:53 GMT
And you're lying to yourself. I destroyed your original points factually and statistically. I doubt that you have the balls to actually engage in an honest discussion about the fact that the Confederate Monuments didn't say anything or depict white supremacy in any way.
Makes you look pretty stupid, but being a liberal has the same effect.
You destroyed nothing.. that includes your character which you yourself destroyed a decade or more ago when I first used the words and documents of Confederate leaders to lubricate the boots that I repeatedly planted up your ignorant ass ..
What is it you think Confederate Memorials are memorializing ? .. Rebel cowardice? Strategic incompetence? Chronic shortsightedness? Congenital arrogance?
They memorialize the core belief of the Confederacy.. i.e. the Superiority of the White Race ..
To be fair, the best argument against 'White Supremacy' is people like Paleocuck. |
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