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Post by thor on Oct 17, 2024 21:15:31 GMT
Immigration is a real concern. As are things like birth rate collapse, crime, lockdowns, vaccine mandates, etc. I suppose if you get to define what is "real" and worthy of fearmongering that it does seem as though only the other side is fearmongering about stuff that isn't real. The world isn't ending in 12 years. Also, the world isn't flat, to use one of your previous examples that I'm unsure how applies at all. Or is of any real concern. Does anybody of any influence worry flat earth? Is that fear mongering? Why is that a better example of fearmongering than a congresswoman saying the world is going to end in 12 years? Yes, I agree it is. What I don't believe is real is the idea that we are being invaded, or that some hidden hand is importing immigrants to poison the blood, or that some "enemy within" is weaponizing immigration. But I agree immigration concerns have something to them that fears of fake elections, hurricane steering & microchips in vaccines don't, and by that I am referring to realism. I am just throwing flat earth in because it's funny and strangely rightwing, if statistically tiny. As an aside, have you ever met a 'Flat Earther' in the wild? I have, and it is surreal. |
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Post by thor on Oct 17, 2024 21:19:23 GMT
You had nothing to say when shown secession speeches, declarations & ordinances and when it came to statistical studies on when and where the monuments were built, what was on them and then finally, what was said during many of the dedication speeches, you similarly had no response. Mountains of evidence piled on our side. Nothing but hand waving & denial in response. And the entire board saw it, commented on it and moved on. Those are the basic facts that you can't escape from because we were all there and saw it and can re-read it again if we want. That's not an honest assessment of what happened, but I don't expect honesty from any liberal.
I have refuted the flawed, biased and perverted logic used by Northern narrative zealots like you on all of those topics. I've made these two irrefutable point that: A) If Confederate Monuments were about white supremacy, that theme would be part of the engravings and depictions on the monuments themselves. Not a single Confederate monument meets that requirement.
B) The rhetoric from the dedication speeches only lasted about two minutes before the wind wiped away a filthy politicians empty words. And what did you do in the post above? Hand waving and denial rather than addressing those points.
You can do better than that, TL. Don't be like thor and Fiddler. We already have enough leftist animals on this forum without adding another volunteer.
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Post by freonbale on Oct 17, 2024 21:26:41 GMT
That's not an honest assessment of what happened, but I don't expect honesty from any liberal.
I have refuted the flawed, biased and perverted logic used by Northern narrative zealots like you on all of those topics. I've made these two irrefutable point that: A) If Confederate Monuments were about white supremacy, that theme would be part of the engravings and depictions on the monuments themselves. Not a single Confederate monument meets that requirement.
 The rhetoric from the dedication speeches only lasted about two minutes before the wind wiped away a filthy politicians empty words.And what did you do in the post above? Hand waving and denial rather than addressing those points.
You can do better than that, TL. Don't be like thor and Fiddler. We already have enough leftist animals on this forum without adding another volunteer.
Time to prolapse your ass again, Cuck: Powerful. But they cannot accept it, because it destroys the very foundation of their self-worth. Freon |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 22:02:54 GMT
You had nothing to say when shown secession speeches, declarations & ordinances and when it came to statistical studies on when and where the monuments were built, what was on them and then finally, what was said during many of the dedication speeches, you similarly had no response. Mountains of evidence piled on our side. Nothing but hand waving & denial in response. And the entire board saw it, commented on it and moved on. Those are the basic facts that you can't escape from because we were all there and saw it and can re-read it again if we want. That's not an honest assessment of what happened, but I don't expect honesty from any liberal.
I have refuted the flawed, biased and perverted logic used by Northern narrative zealots like you on all of those topics. I've made these two irrefutable point that: A) If Confederate Monuments were about white supremacy, that theme would be part of the engravings and depictions on the monuments themselves. Not a single Confederate monument meets that requirement.
B) The rhetoric from the dedication speeches only lasted about two minutes before the wind wiped away a filthy politicians empty words. And what did you do in the post above? Hand waving and denial rather than addressing those points.
You can do better than that, TL. Don't be like thor and Fiddler. We already have enough leftist animals on this forum without adding another volunteer.
Those points were found lacking in the original thread, by, well, everybody. 1) You can find engravings on the monuments themselves which clarify the racial intent, such as dual water fountains. 2) Mere hand-waving in response to important facts about context. In the 4 years that has passed since you were slapped around by an entire forum, you've been itching for a rematch and now that you have the microphone, you have no response. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 22:05:04 GMT
Yes, I agree it is. What I don't believe is real is the idea that we are being invaded, or that some hidden hand is importing immigrants to poison the blood, or that some "enemy within" is weaponizing immigration. But I agree immigration concerns have something to them that fears of fake elections, hurricane steering & microchips in vaccines don't, and by that I am referring to realism. I am just throwing flat earth in because it's funny and strangely rightwing, if statistically tiny. As an aside, have you ever met a 'Flat Earther' in the wild? I have, and it is surreal. Oh yes, I have a good friend who is one. He is pretty far right on most things. He thinks people are transing kids, Jews are lying to us about the shape of the earth, and the Vatican has some "3 Crown" trust that it rules the word through. Oh and the latest.. the hurricanes were steered by weather engineers so Blackrock could take over land with lithium deposits. Dude has a BS degree. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 22:11:13 GMT
I think the folks who believe that it is a weaponized outcome, on net, get that view from an article or video pushing the narrative. It is perfect clickbait. To answer the question of why it happened, my guess it is the intersection of 3 forces: 1) expectations of more lenient policies from the new administration 2) changes in Latin American countries themselves 3) the changes the Biden admin made to immigration policy These aren't in any particular order. I can't disagree. But to hold that view and then be dismissive or accuse people of crazy conspiracy theories because they think it's a deliberate tactic to increase the flow of immigration I find puzzling. It's natural to see that a massive and unprecedented flood of immigration immediately upon a new administration begs people to think it's deliberate. I am dismissive of that view because it strikes me as insane. And dangerous. But mostly just insane. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 17, 2024 22:22:58 GMT
I can't disagree. But to hold that view and then be dismissive or accuse people of crazy conspiracy theories because they think it's a deliberate tactic to increase the flow of immigration I find puzzling. It's natural to see that a massive and unprecedented flood of immigration immediately upon a new administration begs people to think it's deliberate. I am dismissive of that view because it strikes me as insane. And dangerous. But mostly just insane. I don’t understand that at all. You’ve admitted that Biden policies have been part of the reason for a massive and unprecedented increase in immigration, but think it’s “insane” for people to think it deliberate? I think that it’s inevitable whenever a change occurs that people think is negative that perfectly correlates with the arrival of a new administration that is more lenient on that issue. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 23:44:08 GMT
I am dismissive of that view because it strikes me as insane. And dangerous. But mostly just insane. I don’t understand that at all. You’ve admitted that Biden policies have been part of the reason for a massive and unprecedented increase in immigration, but think it’s “insane” for people to think it deliberate? I think that it’s inevitable whenever a change occurs that people think is negative that perfectly correlates with the arrival of a new administration that is more lenient on that issue. I guess we have to separate what is being discussed. Are we talking about deliberate as in the "Jews are replacing us and poisoning our blood?" Or is it more along the lines of "new policies have led to a spike in immigration?" I can understand B, but A strikes me as insane. If MAGA were more B then A, this wouldn't be a debate. But then MAGA would be run-of-the-mill GOP messaging. It's the fringe/crazy/enemy-with-in messaging that draws people to this movement, but in so doing it is going to turn people like me off. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 17, 2024 23:56:18 GMT
I don’t understand that at all. You’ve admitted that Biden policies have been part of the reason for a massive and unprecedented increase in immigration, but think it’s “insane” for people to think it deliberate? I think that it’s inevitable whenever a change occurs that people think is negative that perfectly correlates with the arrival of a new administration that is more lenient on that issue. I guess we have to separate what is being discussed. Are we talking about deliberate as in the "Jews are replacing us and poisoning our blood?" Or is it more along the lines of "new policies have lead to a spike in immigration?" I can understand B, but A strikes me as insane. If MAGA were more B then A, this wouldn't be a debate. But then MAGA would be run-of-the-mill GOP messaging. It's the fringe/crazy/enemy-with-in messaging that draws people to this movement, but in so doing it is going to turn people like me off. There are other options. I’ve never heard anybody but you actually talk to me about Jews replacing anything. What I hear far more is the idea that Democrats are importing eventual voters as a long term strategy, and I run both professionally and personally in some pretty right wing circles. I don’t think that’s a wild conspiracy theory. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 0:19:29 GMT
I guess we have to separate what is being discussed. Are we talking about deliberate as in the "Jews are replacing us and poisoning our blood?" Or is it more along the lines of "new policies have lead to a spike in immigration?" I can understand B, but A strikes me as insane. If MAGA were more B then A, this wouldn't be a debate. But then MAGA would be run-of-the-mill GOP messaging. It's the fringe/crazy/enemy-with-in messaging that draws people to this movement, but in so doing it is going to turn people like me off. There are other options. I’ve never heard anybody but you actually talk to me about Jews replacing anything. What I hear far more is the idea that Democrats are importing eventual voters as a long term strategy, and I run both professionally and personally in some pretty right wing circles. I don’t think that’s a wild conspiracy theory. Well, Trump is the main fountain of this stuff. Listen to him and you can't miss it. Or just spend some time on X, or watching Tucker, or that horse faced Nazi lady on Fox (sorry can't remember her name). There's a bunch of lesser influencers who go hard on this, such as the goypers, but the big players are more worth focusing on. I am talking about the "Jews are poisoning are blood stuff." The lesser claim that the Democrats are importing voters is just what people say when they don't want to be accused of being racists, but are comfortable with simply being paranoid conspiracy theorists. There's nothing to suggest latin American's are natural allies with the Democrats. If anything, their experience with socialism predisposes them toward the GOP. Cubans being an extreme example of this. I remember some analysis which showed immigrants were more conservative than US citizens on numerous issues. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 18, 2024 0:30:49 GMT
There are other options. I’ve never heard anybody but you actually talk to me about Jews replacing anything. What I hear far more is the idea that Democrats are importing eventual voters as a long term strategy, and I run both professionally and personally in some pretty right wing circles. I don’t think that’s a wild conspiracy theory. Well, Trump is the main fountain of this stuff. Listen to him and you can't miss it. Or just spend some time on X, or watching Tucker, or that horse faced Nazi lady on Fox (sorry can't remember her name). There's a bunch of lesser influencers who go hard on this, such as the goypers, but the big players are more worth focusing on. I am talking about the "Jews are poisoning are blood stuff." The lesser claim that the Democrats are importing voters is just what people say when they don't want to be accused of being racists, but are comfortable with simply being paranoid conspiracy theorists. There's nothing to suggest latin American's are natural allies with the Democrats. If anything, their experience with socialism predisposes them toward the GOP. Cubans being an extreme example of this. I remember some analysis which showed immigrants were more conservative than US citizens on numerous issues. That’s convenient. Even when they’re not saying “Jews replace us”, that’s what they really mean and they’re just hiding it. Can’t ever be wrong when you can read minds, I suppose. Congrats on your powers. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 18, 2024 0:38:19 GMT
Well, Trump is the main fountain of this stuff. Listen to him and you can't miss it. Or just spend some time on X, or watching Tucker, or that horse faced Nazi lady on Fox (sorry can't remember her name). There's a bunch of lesser influencers who go hard on this, such as the goypers, but the big players are more worth focusing on. I am talking about the "Jews are poisoning are blood stuff." The lesser claim that the Democrats are importing voters is just what people say when they don't want to be accused of being racists, but are comfortable with simply being paranoid conspiracy theorists. There's nothing to suggest latin American's are natural allies with the Democrats. If anything, their experience with socialism predisposes them toward the GOP. Cubans being an extreme example of this. I remember some analysis which showed immigrants were more conservative than US citizens on numerous issues. That’s convenient. Even when they’re not saying “Jews replace us”, that’s what they really mean and they’re just hiding it. Can’t ever be wrong when you can read minds, I suppose. Congrats on your powers. You can't be the only one. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 0:44:01 GMT
Well, Trump is the main fountain of this stuff. Listen to him and you can't miss it. Or just spend some time on X, or watching Tucker, or that horse faced Nazi lady on Fox (sorry can't remember her name). There's a bunch of lesser influencers who go hard on this, such as the goypers, but the big players are more worth focusing on. I am talking about the "Jews are poisoning are blood stuff." The lesser claim that the Democrats are importing voters is just what people say when they don't want to be accused of being racists, but are comfortable with simply being paranoid conspiracy theorists. There's nothing to suggest latin American's are natural allies with the Democrats. If anything, their experience with socialism predisposes them toward the GOP. Cubans being an extreme example of this. I remember some analysis which showed immigrants were more conservative than US citizens on numerous issues. That’s convenient. Even when they’re not saying “Jews replace us”, that’s what they really mean and they’re just hiding it. Can’t ever be wrong when you can read minds, I suppose. Congrats on your powers. It's easier to simply pretend it's not happening and that these voices don't exist than to wrestle with it and mount some kind of defense. We can say I am making it all up but that's not going to be convincing to people who see it day in and day out. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 18, 2024 0:51:27 GMT
That’s convenient. Even when they’re not saying “Jews replace us”, that’s what they really mean and they’re just hiding it. Can’t ever be wrong when you can read minds, I suppose. Congrats on your powers. It's easier to simply pretend it's not happening and that these voices don't exist than to wrestle with it and mount some kind of defense. We can say I am making it all up but that's not going to be convincing to people who see it day in and day out. My defense against your assertion that a right wing noticing of vast and unprecedented immigration under Biden-Harris might be a political strategy is really just a secret and dangerous anti-Semitic conspiracy theory? nah. I’m ok. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 18, 2024 0:52:00 GMT
That’s convenient. Even when they’re not saying “Jews replace us”, that’s what they really mean and they’re just hiding it. Can’t ever be wrong when you can read minds, I suppose. Congrats on your powers. You can't be the only one. Oh my goodness. You have superpowers too? What are the odds? |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 0:53:36 GMT
It's easier to simply pretend it's not happening and that these voices don't exist than to wrestle with it and mount some kind of defense. We can say I am making it all up but that's not going to be convincing to people who see it day in and day out. My defense against your assertion that a right wing noticing of vast and unprecedented immigration under Biden-Harris might be a political strategy is really just a secret and dangerous anti-Semitic conspiracy theory? nah. I’m ok. I'm not picking up what you're laying down. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 18, 2024 0:56:56 GMT
My defense against your assertion that a right wing noticing of vast and unprecedented immigration under Biden-Harris might be a political strategy is really just a secret and dangerous anti-Semitic conspiracy theory? nah. I’m ok. I'm not picking up what you're laying down. That’s odd. The powers only work situationally? |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 0:58:45 GMT
I'm not picking up what you're laying down. That’s odd. The powers only work situationally? No snark. I really don't understand. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Oct 18, 2024 1:51:58 GMT
You can't be the only one. Oh my goodness. You have superpowers too? What are the odds? I had no idea that you struggled with colloquial English... |
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Post by thor on Oct 18, 2024 13:16:57 GMT
As an aside, have you ever met a 'Flat Earther' in the wild? I have, and it is surreal. Oh yes, I have a good friend who is one. He is pretty far right on most things. He thinks people are transing kids, Jews are lying to us about the shape of the earth, and the Vatican has some "3 Crown" trust that it rules the word through. Oh and the latest.. the hurricanes were steered by weather engineers so Blackrock could take over land with lithium deposits. Dude has a BS degree. A BS in BS, perhaps? |
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The rhetoric from the dedication speeches only lasted about two minutes before the wind wiped away a filthy politicians empty words.
