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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 30, 2024 21:25:42 GMT
Except that it's just games. You've said you're always laughing while you're posting. It's just games. Everything, at some level, "embraces everything else." Art and science are hardly "equivalent." They certainly are...separate. If I'm doing some kind of appraisal of van Gogh's Starry Night, it's hardly a "scientific endeavour." Or would you argue that it is? And do you still insist that colour is only a function of wavelength? It seems rather pathetic, if you KNOW I'm playing games with you (I'm not), that you would continue conversing with me. I call bullshit. There is another reason, if you were honest with yourself about it. Art and science do not merely touch each other at some level, they are integral to each other. There is no art, without science. The painters of history made their own dyes, and coveted their chemistry so no others could compete with them. That theme has always been true, and is still true. One must understand the medium they are transforming into art, to be an artist, and that takes knowledge of science. The cutting edge of technology today, NFTs, AI, Blockchain, are all being leveraged by Artists. I never responded to your color question, and I'm finding it amusing how you are trying to make it seem like I have. Three, maybe four posts now, trying to corner me with the fantasy that I responded to you. YOU are playing games, Mercy. If I was, lol, you would never know. Freon Here is exactly the issue: you claim to want to have a meaningful conversation (and maybe come to mutual understanding), and yet you refuse to define your terms. How can you possibly have a meaningful conversation with someone else if you are not sure they understand what you are saying? Wittgenstein is rolling over in his grave. So you use (or misuse) a word. I call you out on it. I offer a dictionary definition. You respond with accusations of "authoritative behaviour." In contrast you could: • Say what you mean by using that word (something you never do and have never done). • Explain if (and how) you are using the word as a metaphor (something you never do and have never done). • Offer alternative explanations—synonyms, definitions, etc. (something you never do and have never done). Instead, you prevaricate, divert to tangents, make accusations, and preen about your own superiority. Because you're not interested in meaningful conversation. You prefer to live in the murk. In the lack of clarity. That seems to serve you better. Games.
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Post by freonbale on Apr 30, 2024 21:31:33 GMT
Yes, clearly I should be imprisoned for my unique tribalist views. Thank you for your moral authoritativeness. Freon "Imprisoned"? Who even hinted at implying that? Weird. Even...paranoid. Or...just more games? Humor. Sarcasm. Normal communication for me. But you did ask the right question. Freon
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Post by freonbale on Apr 30, 2024 21:47:26 GMT
It seems rather pathetic, if you KNOW I'm playing games with you (I'm not), that you would continue conversing with me. I call bullshit. There is another reason, if you were honest with yourself about it. Art and science do not merely touch each other at some level, they are integral to each other. There is no art, without science. The painters of history made their own dyes, and coveted their chemistry so no others could compete with them. That theme has always been true, and is still true. One must understand the medium they are transforming into art, to be an artist, and that takes knowledge of science. The cutting edge of technology today, NFTs, AI, Blockchain, are all being leveraged by Artists. I never responded to your color question, and I'm finding it amusing how you are trying to make it seem like I have. Three, maybe four posts now, trying to corner me with the fantasy that I responded to you. YOU are playing games, Mercy. If I was, lol, you would never know. Freon Here is exactly the issue: you claim to want to have a meaningful conversation (and maybe come to mutual understanding), and yet you refuse to define your terms. How can you possibly have a meaningful conversation with someone else if you are not sure they understand what you are saying? Wittgenstein is rolling over in his grave. So you use (or misuse) a word. I call you out on it. I offer a dictionary definition. You respond with accusations of "authoritative behaviour." In contrast you could: • Say what you mean by using that word (something you never do and have never done). • Explain if (and how) you are using the word as a metaphor (something you never do and have never done). • Offer alternative explanations—synonyms, definitions, etc. (something you never do and have never done). Instead, you prevaricate, divert to tangents, make accusations, and preen about your own superiority. Because you're not interested in meaningful conversation. You prefer to live in the murk. In the lack of clarity. That seems to serve you better. Games. I appreciate your defining how you use the term, 'game'. Now I wonder if we looked up in a dictionary the meaning of the word, 'game'. Would any of them say, to, 'prevaricate, divert to tangents, make accusations, and preen about your own superiority.' I doubt it, though I'll bet you'll try. Yet here you are, defining a common term, in a way no (or at least, most) dictionaries would agree with, and it's totally ok to you. But when I do it, you freak out. You see no hypocrisy happening? No double-standard? I'm just crazy, right? I don't think you want to admit that you do whatever is necessary in a conversation to 'win'. Your challenging my terms is not true misunderstanding, nor is it being a vocabulary Nazi. It's just a tactic in the moment because you don't like where the convo is going. It is your pridefulness, making you take action as necessary, to accomplish the goal of not hurting your pride. Boo hoo. I see right through your BS, Mercy. You are transparent to me, an open book, an easy mark. The only reason I continue to engage with you is because I will only ignore those who actively are dishonorable, like Jasmine. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 0:22:27 GMT
Here is exactly the issue: you claim to want to have a meaningful conversation (and maybe come to mutual understanding), and yet you refuse to define your terms. How can you possibly have a meaningful conversation with someone else if you are not sure they understand what you are saying? Wittgenstein is rolling over in his grave. So you use (or misuse) a word. I call you out on it. I offer a dictionary definition. You respond with accusations of "authoritative behaviour." In contrast you could: • Say what you mean by using that word (something you never do and have never done). • Explain if (and how) you are using the word as a metaphor (something you never do and have never done). • Offer alternative explanations—synonyms, definitions, etc. (something you never do and have never done). Instead, you prevaricate, divert to tangents, make accusations, and preen about your own superiority. Because you're not interested in meaningful conversation. You prefer to live in the murk. In the lack of clarity. That seems to serve you better. Games. I appreciate your defining how you use the term, 'game'. Now I wonder if we looked up in a dictionary the meaning of the word, 'game'. Would any of them say, to, 'prevaricate, divert to tangents, make accusations, and preen about your own superiority.' I doubt it, though I'll bet you'll try. Yet here you are, defining a common term, in a way no (or at least, most) dictionaries would agree with, and it's totally ok to you. But when I do it, you freak out. You see no hypocrisy happening? No double-standard? I'm just crazy, right? I don't think you want to admit that you do whatever is necessary in a conversation to 'win'. Your challenging my terms is not true misunderstanding, nor is it being a vocabulary Nazi. It's just a tactic in the moment because you don't like where the convo is going. It is your pridefulness, making you take action as necessary, to accomplish the goal of not hurting your pride. Boo hoo. I see right through your BS, Mercy. You are transparent to me, an open book, an easy mark. The only reason I continue to engage with you is because I will only ignore those who actively are dishonorable, like Jasmine. Freon Defining terms is essential for communication. That's why contracts start with definitions. Ph.D. dissertations start with definitions. Corporate constitutions start with definitions. When I challenge your word use, I'm trying to figure out what you mean.So tell me...what do you mean by "game"?
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 1:46:43 GMT
I appreciate your defining how you use the term, 'game'. Now I wonder if we looked up in a dictionary the meaning of the word, 'game'. Would any of them say, to, 'prevaricate, divert to tangents, make accusations, and preen about your own superiority.' I doubt it, though I'll bet you'll try. Yet here you are, defining a common term, in a way no (or at least, most) dictionaries would agree with, and it's totally ok to you. But when I do it, you freak out. You see no hypocrisy happening? No double-standard? I'm just crazy, right? I don't think you want to admit that you do whatever is necessary in a conversation to 'win'. Your challenging my terms is not true misunderstanding, nor is it being a vocabulary Nazi. It's just a tactic in the moment because you don't like where the convo is going. It is your pridefulness, making you take action as necessary, to accomplish the goal of not hurting your pride. Boo hoo. I see right through your BS, Mercy. You are transparent to me, an open book, an easy mark. The only reason I continue to engage with you is because I will only ignore those who actively are dishonorable, like Jasmine. Freon Defining terms is essential for communication. That's why contracts start with definitions. Ph.D. dissertations start with definitions. Corporate constitutions start with definitions. When I challenge your word use, I'm trying to figure out what you mean.So tell me...what do you mean by "game"? The only one bringing up games is you. For years. And only now, after all this time, have you explicitly defined what you meant by it. You, who just lectured me on the imperative and importance of defining terms early on. Wow. How can I possibly take you seriously, when you don't follow your own supposed imperatives? The most extreme violator is you. And now you ask ME what I mean by games? Why? I have never accused you of playing them. I wouldn't care if you did. Is any of this sinking into that thick skull of yours, Mercy? It's YOU that's the problem here. It's YOU that freaks out, loses control, has pride issues, and causes the convos to tangent, and ultimately stop. I have never been anything but calm and cordial to you. I do not call you childish names, I do not profane, or emotionally attack you in any way. I just tell it like it is, based on years of listening to you, and being an excellent student of people. If you cannot handle that, then talking with me is a bad idea. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 2:07:36 GMT
Defining terms is essential for communication. That's why contracts start with definitions. Ph.D. dissertations start with definitions. Corporate constitutions start with definitions. When I challenge your word use, I'm trying to figure out what you mean.So tell me...what do you mean by "game"? The only one bringing up games is you. For years. And only now, after all this time, have you explicitly defined what you meant by it. You, who just lectured me on the imperative and importance of defining terms early on. Wow. How can I possibly take you seriously, when you don't follow your own supposed imperatives? The most extreme violator is you. And now you ask ME what I mean by games? Why? I have never accused you of playing them. I wouldn't care if you did. Is any of this sinking into that thick skull of yours, Mercy? It's YOU that's the problem here. It's YOU that freaks out, loses control, has pride issues, and causes the convos to tangent, and ultimately stop. I have never been anything but calm and cordial to you. I do not call you childish names, I do not profane, or emotionally attack you in any way. I just tell it like it is, based on years of listening to you, and being an excellent student of people. If you cannot handle that, then talking with me is a bad idea. Freon Oh, geez. Man: accusations of scientific ignorance, exerting "authority," not-so-veiled religious insults, "unenlightened." But you..."just tell it like it is," and don't use "childish insults." When have you ever asked me to clarify or define my terms? I would be happy to do it. "Freaks out, loses control, has pride issues, causes convos to tangent, and ultimately stop"? Those are all all the things you do.Freaks out: religious insults (to be fair, you have resisted as of late). Loses control: accusations. Pride issues: you've acknowledge more than once that you are arrogant; and you're successful in demonstrating it. Causes convos to tangent: "Stay out of the scientific arena; my 15-year-old can define color." Ultimately stop: you've walked away from a number of conversations. Let's add lies: "I only ever say to you that you're not asking the right questions." All I ask is that you define your terms. I bring up a dictionary definition and rather than clarifying what you mean, you contest the use of dictionaries! I mean...who does that? Well...besides you?
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 2:38:22 GMT
The only one bringing up games is you. For years. And only now, after all this time, have you explicitly defined what you meant by it. You, who just lectured me on the imperative and importance of defining terms early on. Wow. How can I possibly take you seriously, when you don't follow your own supposed imperatives? The most extreme violator is you. And now you ask ME what I mean by games? Why? I have never accused you of playing them. I wouldn't care if you did. Is any of this sinking into that thick skull of yours, Mercy? It's YOU that's the problem here. It's YOU that freaks out, loses control, has pride issues, and causes the convos to tangent, and ultimately stop. I have never been anything but calm and cordial to you. I do not call you childish names, I do not profane, or emotionally attack you in any way. I just tell it like it is, based on years of listening to you, and being an excellent student of people. If you cannot handle that, then talking with me is a bad idea. Freon Oh, geez. Man: accusations of scientific ignorance, exerting "authority," not-so-veiled religious insults, "unenlightened." But you..."just tell it like it is," and don't use "childish insults." When have you ever asked me to clarify or define my terms? I would be happy to do it. "Freaks out, loses control, has pride issues, causes convos to tangent, and ultimately stop"? Those are all all the things you do.Freaks out: religious insults (to be fair, you have resisted as of late). Loses control: accusations. Pride issues: you've acknowledge more than once that you are arrogant; and you're successful in demonstrating it. Causes convos to tangent: "Stay out of the scientific arena; my 15-year-old can define color." Ultimately stop: you've walked away from a number of conversations. Let's add lies: "I only ever say to you that you're not asking the right questions." All I ask is that you define your terms. I bring up a dictionary definition and rather than clarifying what you mean, you contest the use of dictionaries! I mean...who does that? Well...besides you? I just called you out on your hypocrisy of lecturing me on the importance of definitions early in the convo, and how YOU are the biggest violator, and you don't respond at all? I'll take that as you conceding the point. I'm not touching your weird interpretations of my opinions of you. That's all they are to me; Opinions. If you want to see them as accusations or whatever, that's your own bizarre paranoia. The one and only thing you just posted that actually has any merit or relevance to this conversation at all, is your comment about me not asking for clarification of terms from you. There are two reasons I do not do so. First, because you are simple to me. NOTHING you've said has caused me to not understand what you mean. And second, because you DREAM about me doing so, lol. It's what incentivizes you to continue conversing with me. You want my respect so damned badly, it is yet another aspect of who you are that leaks in every conversation you have with me. Oh you'll deny it publicly to save face, but between you and I, I know. Not going to happen unless you actually say something that I require clarification on. Like a personal philosophy INSPIRED by all that you've read. THAT would be interesting. Or a fundamental understanding of the human condition I had not considered. These are worth asking you about, but you don't seem to have any of these. All that book knowledge, and you've formed no personal conclusions. Wow. Just. Wow. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 13:06:43 GMT
Oh, geez. Man: accusations of scientific ignorance, exerting "authority," not-so-veiled religious insults, "unenlightened." But you..."just tell it like it is," and don't use "childish insults." When have you ever asked me to clarify or define my terms? I would be happy to do it. "Freaks out, loses control, has pride issues, causes convos to tangent, and ultimately stop"? Those are all all the things you do.Freaks out: religious insults (to be fair, you have resisted as of late). Loses control: accusations. Pride issues: you've acknowledge more than once that you are arrogant; and you're successful in demonstrating it. Causes convos to tangent: "Stay out of the scientific arena; my 15-year-old can define color." Ultimately stop: you've walked away from a number of conversations. Let's add lies: "I only ever say to you that you're not asking the right questions." All I ask is that you define your terms. I bring up a dictionary definition and rather than clarifying what you mean, you contest the use of dictionaries! I mean...who does that? Well...besides you? I just called you out on your hypocrisy of lecturing me on the importance of definitions early in the convo, and how YOU are the biggest violator, and you don't respond at all? I'll take that as you conceding the point. I'm not touching your weird interpretations of my opinions of you. That's all they are to me; Opinions. If you want to see them as accusations or whatever, that's your own bizarre paranoia. The one and only thing you just posted that actually has any merit or relevance to this conversation at all, is your comment about me not asking for clarification of terms from you. There are two reasons I do not do so. First, because you are simple to me. NOTHING you've said has caused me to not understand what you mean. And second, because you DREAM about me doing so, lol. It's what incentivizes you to continue conversing with me. You want my respect so damned badly, it is yet another aspect of who you are that leaks in every conversation you have with me. Oh you'll deny it publicly to save face, but between you and I, I know. Not going to happen unless you actually say something that I require clarification on. Like a personal philosophy INSPIRED by all that you've read. THAT would be interesting. Or a fundamental understanding of the human condition I had not considered. These are worth asking you about, but you don't seem to have any of these. All that book knowledge, and you've formed no personal conclusions. Wow. Just. Wow. Freon You think very highly of yourself, all things considered.
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 13:45:16 GMT
I just called you out on your hypocrisy of lecturing me on the importance of definitions early in the convo, and how YOU are the biggest violator, and you don't respond at all? I'll take that as you conceding the point. I'm not touching your weird interpretations of my opinions of you. That's all they are to me; Opinions. If you want to see them as accusations or whatever, that's your own bizarre paranoia. The one and only thing you just posted that actually has any merit or relevance to this conversation at all, is your comment about me not asking for clarification of terms from you. There are two reasons I do not do so. First, because you are simple to me. NOTHING you've said has caused me to not understand what you mean. And second, because you DREAM about me doing so, lol. It's what incentivizes you to continue conversing with me. You want my respect so damned badly, it is yet another aspect of who you are that leaks in every conversation you have with me. Oh you'll deny it publicly to save face, but between you and I, I know. Not going to happen unless you actually say something that I require clarification on. Like a personal philosophy INSPIRED by all that you've read. THAT would be interesting. Or a fundamental understanding of the human condition I had not considered. These are worth asking you about, but you don't seem to have any of these. All that book knowledge, and you've formed no personal conclusions. Wow. Just. Wow. Freon You think very highly of yourself, all things considered. I've never disagreed with that. Question is, is that a positive trait, or a negative one. And the answer is yes. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 13:52:50 GMT
You think very highly of yourself, all things considered. I've never disagreed with that. Question is, is that a positive trait, or a negative one. And the answer is yes. Freon 😂 Okay. I'll accept that as it is. I hope it serves you well.
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 14:00:17 GMT
I've never disagreed with that. Question is, is that a positive trait, or a negative one. And the answer is yes. Freon 😂 Okay. I'll accept that as it is. I hope it serves you well. Extremely well, with caveats, lol. What about you? Does your you work for you? (this is the start of a conversation, Mercy, so don't screw it up) Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 15:22:57 GMT
😂 Okay. I'll accept that as it is. I hope it serves you well. Extremely well, with caveats, lol. What about you? Does your you work for you? (this is the start of a conversation, Mercy, so don't screw it up) Freon Absolutely. Always learning, you know.
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 15:52:37 GMT
Extremely well, with caveats, lol. What about you? Does your you work for you? (this is the start of a conversation, Mercy, so don't screw it up) Freon Absolutely. Always learning, you know. Bah. Vague. No meat. Too bad. Freon
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 15:58:34 GMT
Absolutely. Always learning, you know. Bah. Vague. No meat. Too bad. Freon Not what you wanted to hear. Too bad. For you.
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Post by Lomelis on May 1, 2024 17:56:20 GMT
Blahahaha. You see, Mercy for All , your people feel exactly as you do. Freon We like to laugh at clowns and fools. You've been putting on a hell of a show.
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 18:06:10 GMT
Bah. Vague. No meat. Too bad. Freon Not what you wanted to hear. Too bad. For you. Petty response. Inaccurate, as well. I was giving YOU a chance to prove me wrong. I constantly set myself up for you and others to take me down, because I know you cannot do it on your own, but you all continue to fail to see these opportunities when presented. And that gives me hope. Freon
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 18:09:57 GMT
You see, Mercy for All , your people feel exactly as you do. Freon We like to laugh at clowns and fools. You've been putting on a hell of a show. Do you feel stupid? And contagious? Are you here now? Freon
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Post by Lomelis on May 1, 2024 18:16:40 GMT
We like to laugh at clowns and fools. You've been putting on a hell of a show. Do you feel stupid? And contagious? Are you here now? Freon I'm not smelling the teen spirit, I'm smelling a fool named Igor.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 1, 2024 18:25:07 GMT
Not what you wanted to hear. Too bad. For you. Petty response. Inaccurate, as well. I was giving YOU a chance to prove me wrong. I constantly set myself up for you and others to take me down, because I know you cannot do it on your own, but you all continue to fail to see these opportunities when presented. And that gives me hope. Freon Or... Or... ...you don't recognize when you've already been taken down...whether that lack of recognition is sheer obliviousness or willful ignorance. Hard to tell. Doesn't fit your game, I guess.
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Post by freonbale on May 1, 2024 18:34:28 GMT
Do you feel stupid? And contagious? Are you here now? Freon I'm not smelling the teen spirit, I'm smelling a fool named Igor. Target hit, dead center. Freon
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