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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 16:04:19 GMT
I don't worship and I know quite a few people that don't either. You may have somewhat overstated your "everybody worships"... What's your conscious aim in life? Are you aware of any possible subconscious aims?... I forgot to answer that.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 16:04:50 GMT
No, they don't. The entire point of the word worship, is that it is in regards to a deity. Using it in other ways is just a figure of speech. The word "worship," at its root and etymology, does not imply a deity as an object. 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. www.dictionary.com/browse/worshipThe literal etymology of "worship" is "worth-ship"—to recognize, acknowledge, and ascribe worth. The general assumption is that we are referring to our highest recognition of "worth." But we also use the term to acquiesce to protocol (a judge is addressed as "your worship"). The point is that everybody, without exception, has a "highest aim" or a "highest acknowledged value" in their hierarchy of values, whether that be a deity, personal accomplishment/significance, money, pleasure, another human being, science, etc. We all put something in the place of "the sacred." Everyone is a worshipper. That's not just "a figure of speech." Did you spend all this time searching for a definition that had more than God/Deity in it? Now look up sacred. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 17:30:19 GMT
What's your conscious aim in life? Are you aware of any possible subconscious aims?... I forgot to answer that.
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 17:32:48 GMT
The word "worship," at its root and etymology, does not imply a deity as an object. 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. www.dictionary.com/browse/worshipThe literal etymology of "worship" is "worth-ship"—to recognize, acknowledge, and ascribe worth. The general assumption is that we are referring to our highest recognition of "worth." But we also use the term to acquiesce to protocol (a judge is addressed as "your worship"). The point is that everybody, without exception, has a "highest aim" or a "highest acknowledged value" in their hierarchy of values, whether that be a deity, personal accomplishment/significance, money, pleasure, another human being, science, etc. We all put something in the place of "the sacred." Everyone is a worshipper. That's not just "a figure of speech." Did you spend all this time searching for a definition that had more than God/Deity in it? Now look up sacred. Definition.com (my go-to). Typed "worship." First definition that came up. Didn't look up the etymology. I'm already familiar with it. By the way, in the New Testament the typical word for "worship" (i.e., the worship attributed to God) is προσκυνέω (pronounced proskuneo, lit. to "kiss [the ground] towards"). Is that "divine only"? Hint: no, it's not. The English word was actually coined to be the translation of προσκυνέω, as far as I'm aware. It was a made-up word to reflect the meaning of προσκυνέω. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 18:02:20 GMT
I forgot to answer that.
My only aim in life is the Vulcan salute, IE "to live long and prosper." Is it worth it? So far, definitely.  |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 18:27:37 GMT
Did you spend all this time searching for a definition that had more than God/Deity in it? Now look up sacred. Definition.com (my go-to). Typed "worship." First definition that came up. Didn't look up the etymology. I'm already familiar with it. By the way, in the New Testament the typical word for "worship" (i.e., the worship attributed to God) is προσκυνέω (pronounced proskuneo, lit. to "kiss [the ground] towards"). Is that "divine only"? Hint: no, it's not. The English word was actually coined to be the translation of προσκυνέω, as far as I'm aware. It was a made-up word to reflect the meaning of προσκυνέω. So, now you think worship is nothing more than to literally bow down? So much for your listening to music line of argument... Seriously, the entire point and meaning of worship is that you are worshiping God. If you are trying to argue that someone can "worship" their cat or their work etc... then that is a figure of speech. They are not literally worshiping those things like we are worshiping God. If they were literally worshiping those things, they would consider them to be God or their God... |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 20:17:35 GMT
Definition.com (my go-to). Typed "worship." First definition that came up. Didn't look up the etymology. I'm already familiar with it. By the way, in the New Testament the typical word for "worship" (i.e., the worship attributed to God) is προσκυνέω (pronounced proskuneo, lit. to "kiss [the ground] towards"). Is that "divine only"? Hint: no, it's not. The English word was actually coined to be the translation of προσκυνέω, as far as I'm aware. It was a made-up word to reflect the meaning of προσκυνέω. So, now you think worship is nothing more than to literally bow down? So much for your listening to music line of argument... Seriously, the entire point and meaning of worship is that you are worshiping God. If you are trying to argue that someone can "worship" their cat or their work etc... then that is a figure of speech. They are not literally worshiping those things like we are worshiping God. If they were literally worshiping those things, they would consider them to be God or their God... Give it up. You're over your head in this conversation. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 20:21:12 GMT
So, now you think worship is nothing more than to literally bow down? So much for your listening to music line of argument... Seriously, the entire point and meaning of worship is that you are worshiping God. If you are trying to argue that someone can "worship" their cat or their work etc... then that is a figure of speech. They are not literally worshiping those things like we are worshiping God. If they were literally worshiping those things, they would consider them to be God or their God... Give it up. You're over your head in this conversation. Prepare to be insulted... |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 20:25:46 GMT
So, now you think worship is nothing more than to literally bow down? So much for your listening to music line of argument... Seriously, the entire point and meaning of worship is that you are worshiping God. If you are trying to argue that someone can "worship" their cat or their work etc... then that is a figure of speech. They are not literally worshiping those things like we are worshiping God. If they were literally worshiping those things, they would consider them to be God or their God... Give it up. You're over your head in this conversation. LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 20:35:03 GMT
Give it up. You're over your head in this conversation. LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... That's called "tough love", dumbass.  |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 20:36:13 GMT
Give it up. You're over your head in this conversation. LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... No, I'm using actual definitions. And original definitions. And yes, what people worship is their "god." |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 20:41:18 GMT
Give it up. You're over your head in this conversation. LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... Btw, Jesus himself said: "There will be more room in heaven for one repentant sinner than for ninety nine righteous." Or something like that... |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 20:42:23 GMT
LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... No, I'm using actual definitions. And original definitions. And yes, what people worship is their "god." So, what would you say I worship? |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 20:44:07 GMT
LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... No, I'm using actual definitions. And original definitions. And yes, what people worship is their "god." No, you are not. The actual definition of worship applies to God or the Sacred, which is still related to God. You reduced it to a hierarchy of worth and are claiming that everyone worships... that is not what the term means at all. You said: "Everyone is a worshipper. Every one "recognizes or ascribes worth" to something or someone (or many things or people). The salient question is...what is the highest thing or person on the hierarchy of worth?" Recognizing or ascribing worth to something, even in a hierarchy, is not the definition of worship. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 20:44:57 GMT
LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... Btw, Jesus himself said: "There will be more room in heaven for one repentant sinner than for ninety nine righteous." Or something like that... You have to be repentant first. I hope one day you will be... |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 20:47:13 GMT
Btw, Jesus himself said: "There will be more room in heaven for one repentant sinner than for ninety nine righteous." Or something like that... You have to be repentant first. I hope one day you will be... I am sure... |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 21:18:49 GMT
No, I'm using actual definitions. And original definitions. And yes, what people worship is their "god." No, you are not. The actual definition of worship applies to God or the Sacred, which is still related to God. You reduced it to a hierarchy of worth and are claiming that everyone worships... that is not what the term means at all. You said: "Everyone is a worshipper. Every one "recognizes or ascribes worth" to something or someone (or many things or people). The salient question is...what is the highest thing or person on the hierarchy of worth?" Recognizing or ascribing worth to something, even in a hierarchy, is not the definition of worship. You repeating yourself does not make you correct. People worship all kinds of things...gods, idols, etc. In the Bible. Outside the Bible. The definition of worship in the dictionary and in the Bible is not specifically "worship of God." Otherwise there would be no reason to add "of God" to "worship." My claim here is backed by etymology, theology, biblical literature, etc. It is not unique to me. It is not idiosyncratic. Again, the root of the English word "worth-ship" was a coined word created to translate "kiss (the ground) towards," which was an act of obeisance...to rulers, to deities, etc. When Jesus responds to Satan's temptation and says, "You shall worship the Lord your God," he is using the word proskuneo. When Jesus tells the woman at the well that "a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks," it implies that there are "true worshipers" and "not true worshipers." But you're welcome to suggest something other than "your definition is wrong" (despite my offering a dictionary definition and the biblical root). |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 21:19:07 GMT
LOL, sure Mercy. You can be as bad as Freon when it comes to your obfuscation with meanings of words. I love how you are more harsh with me than with Dave who has been deliberately insulting and obviously engaging in poor faith... Btw, Jesus himself said: "There will be more room in heaven for one repentant sinner than for ninety nine righteous." Or something like that... Not more room...more celebration. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 21:20:06 GMT
No, I'm using actual definitions. And original definitions. And yes, what people worship is their "god." So, what would you say I worship? You claimed that your highest aim is "to live long and prosper." That seems to indicate that you worship yourself. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 21:36:31 GMT
No, you are not. The actual definition of worship applies to God or the Sacred, which is still related to God. You reduced it to a hierarchy of worth and are claiming that everyone worships... that is not what the term means at all. You said: "Everyone is a worshipper. Every one "recognizes or ascribes worth" to something or someone (or many things or people). The salient question is...what is the highest thing or person on the hierarchy of worth?" Recognizing or ascribing worth to something, even in a hierarchy, is not the definition of worship. You repeating yourself does not make you correct. People worship all kinds of things...gods, idols, etc. In the Bible. Outside the Bible. The definition of worship in the dictionary and in the Bible is not specifically "worship of God." Otherwise there would be no reason to add "of God" to "worship." My claim here is backed by etymology, theology, biblical literature, etc. It is not unique to me. It is not idiosyncratic. Again, the root of the English word "worth-ship" was a coined word created to translate "kiss (the ground) towards," which was an act of obeisance...to rulers, to deities, etc. When Jesus responds to Satan's temptation and says, "You shall worship the Lord your God," he is using the word proskuneo. When Jesus tells the woman at the well that "a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks," it implies that there are "true worshipers" and "not true worshipers." But you're welcome to suggest something other than "your definition is wrong" (despite my offering a dictionary definition and the biblical root). Yes, you can "worship" things... by essentially making them your God, but is not the same thing as you saying everyone worships because everyone has a hierarchy of things... that is not in the definition you provided. It is wrong. This is simply Freon level obfuscation now. You are making up meanings of words that do not exist. We are not talking about where the word originated. That is like telling me it is OK to call black people Ni$$ers, because the original meaning was just black and it was not used as a racist slur... just like you are not really using worship to mean bow now. You are welcome to provide a definition of Worship that includes your absurd characterization that everyone Worships and it is based on the hierarchy of the things in their lives... |
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