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Worship?
Apr 19, 2024 0:34:18 GMT
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 0:34:18 GMT
You didn’t start this thread to have a normal debate nor have you attempted to engage in any. Go the fuck away! You came here with your garbage. You leave. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 6:27:44 GMT
I don't know but as a carrier choice it seems rather dicey.... How many people tried the exact same thing and it led to nowhere? Hundreds? Thousands?
It's like the lottery. You hear plenty of stories about people winning and doing all sorts of stuff with their huge winnings... Does this mean that whatever they did to get there is a recommended path? I don't think so. They were lucky is all but somehow people want to believe that there is something there, like a trick or something. Do you believe that? Do you believe that people who win the lottery are gifted somehow?
I talk to all sorts people of all ages, but I don't see how that's relevant.
It might be different in Europe than here, but an appalling number of young people are lacking resiliency and hope, and it's pretty common and effective for "statements of affirmation" to be repeated regularly to help accommodate struggles. As well, many people do use tools like this to maintain focus and determination. I'm surprised that you haven't come across that before. It seems that what you're saying is that religion (and I am not speaking of any religion in particular) is for people who are weak and undetermined. Am I wrong? |
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Worship?
Apr 19, 2024 12:11:36 GMT
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 12:11:36 GMT
It might be different in Europe than here, but an appalling number of young people are lacking resiliency and hope, and it's pretty common and effective for "statements of affirmation" to be repeated regularly to help accommodate struggles. As well, many people do use tools like this to maintain focus and determination. I'm surprised that you haven't come across that before. It seems that what you're saying is that religion (and I am not speaking of any religion in particular) is for people who are weak and undetermined. Am I wrong? We weren’t talking about religion. We were talking about worship. Actually, we were talking about the expression of worship, which isn’t quite the same thing. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 13:09:13 GMT
It might be different in Europe than here, but an appalling number of young people are lacking resiliency and hope, and it's pretty common and effective for "statements of affirmation" to be repeated regularly to help accommodate struggles. As well, many people do use tools like this to maintain focus and determination. I'm surprised that you haven't come across that before. It seems that what you're saying is that religion (and I am not speaking of any religion in particular) is for people who are weak and undetermined. Am I wrong? Why would I ever think you are just being a jerk here... hmm.... it is a real mystery. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 14:54:17 GMT
It seems that what you're saying is that religion (and I am not speaking of any religion in particular) is for people who are weak and undetermined. Am I wrong? We weren’t talking about religion. We were talking about worship. Actually, we were talking about the expression of worship, which isn’t quite the same thing. So you think there could be religion without worship? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 14:55:34 GMT
It seems that what you're saying is that religion (and I am not speaking of any religion in particular) is for people who are weak and undetermined. Am I wrong? Why would I ever think you are just being a jerk here... hmm.... it is a real mystery. Debate is not about being nice. You know that better than anyone, asshole. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 15:06:34 GMT
We weren’t talking about religion. We were talking about worship. Actually, we were talking about the expression of worship, which isn’t quite the same thing. So you think there could be religion without worship? I think there is worship without "religion" (i.e., if a "religion" requires "belief in a deity or the supernatural"). Worship is not the defining marker of "religion." Everybody worships. Tangent: what is your favourite piece of music? |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 15:09:38 GMT
Why would I ever think you are just being a jerk here... hmm.... it is a real mystery. Debate is not about being nice. You know that better than anyone, asshole. You did not come here to "debate" You started pushing ignorant comments meaning only to be a jerk. You got called out for it and proceeded to make more ignorant comments, only meaning to be a jerk. And... you just keep being a jerk. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 15:10:24 GMT
So you think there could be religion without worship? I think there is worship without "religion" (i.e., if a "religion" requires "belief in a deity or the supernatural"). Worship is not the defining marker of "religion." 1) Everybody worships. 2) Tangent: what is your favourite piece of music? 1) I don't.
So that would be "almost" everybody, wouldn't it?
2) I have many. You want a list?
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 15:11:21 GMT
So you think there could be religion without worship? I think there is worship without "religion" (i.e., if a "religion" requires "belief in a deity or the supernatural"). Worship is not the defining marker of "religion." Everybody worships. Tangent: what is your favourite piece of music? No, they don't. The entire point of the word worship, is that it is in regards to a deity. Using it in other ways is just a figure of speech. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 15:14:25 GMT
Debate is not about being nice. You know that better than anyone, asshole. You did not come here to "debate" You started pushing ignorant comments meaning only to be a jerk. You got called out for it and proceeded to make more ignorant comments, only meaning to be a jerk. And... you just keep being a jerk. F*** y** (1) (1) Keeping things clean.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 15:19:04 GMT
You did not come here to "debate" You started pushing ignorant comments meaning only to be a jerk. You got called out for it and proceeded to make more ignorant comments, only meaning to be a jerk. And... you just keep being a jerk. F*** y** (1) (1) Keeping things clean.
Like I said... |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 15:26:46 GMT
F*** y** (1) (1) Keeping things clean.
Like I said... Just go away. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 15:27:54 GMT
We already had this part of the discussion. Are you too stupid to remember that already? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 15:30:58 GMT
We already had this part of the discussion. Are you too stupid to remember that already? I don't give a crap... Go away, imbecile. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 15:32:15 GMT
We already had this part of the discussion. Are you too stupid to remember that already? I don't give a crap... Go away, imbecile. Nope. How about you start being honest enough to admit what you are doing here? |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 15:33:39 GMT
I think there is worship without "religion" (i.e., if a "religion" requires "belief in a deity or the supernatural"). Worship is not the defining marker of "religion." Everybody worships. Tangent: what is your favourite piece of music? No, they don't. The entire point of the word worship, is that it is in regards to a deity. Using it in other ways is just a figure of speech. The word "worship," at its root and etymology, does not imply a deity as an object. 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. www.dictionary.com/browse/worshipThe literal etymology of "worship" is "worth-ship"—to recognize, acknowledge, and ascribe worth. The general assumption is that we are referring to our highest recognition of "worth." But we also use the term to acquiesce to protocol (a judge is addressed as "your worship"). The point is that everybody, without exception, has a "highest aim" or a "highest acknowledged value" in their hierarchy of values, whether that be a deity, personal accomplishment/significance, money, pleasure, another human being, science, etc. We all put something in the place of "the sacred." Everyone is a worshipper. That's not just "a figure of speech." |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 15:42:37 GMT
No, they don't. The entire point of the word worship, is that it is in regards to a deity. Using it in other ways is just a figure of speech. The word "worship," at its root and etymology, does not imply a deity as an object. 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. www.dictionary.com/browse/worshipThe literal etymology of "worship" is "worth-ship"—to recognize, acknowledge, and ascribe worth. The general assumption is that we are referring to our highest recognition of "worth." But we also use the term to acquiesce to protocol (a judge is addressed as "your worship"). The point is that everybody, without exception, has a "highest aim" or a "highest acknowledged value" in their hierarchy of values, whether that be a deity, personal accomplishment/significance, money, pleasure, another human being, science, etc. We all put something in the place of "the sacred." Everyone is a worshipper. That's not just "a figure of speech." I don't worship and I know quite a few people that don't either. You may have somewhat overstated your "everybody worships"... |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 15:53:02 GMT
The word "worship," at its root and etymology, does not imply a deity as an object. 1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. www.dictionary.com/browse/worshipThe literal etymology of "worship" is "worth-ship"—to recognize, acknowledge, and ascribe worth. The general assumption is that we are referring to our highest recognition of "worth." But we also use the term to acquiesce to protocol (a judge is addressed as "your worship"). The point is that everybody, without exception, has a "highest aim" or a "highest acknowledged value" in their hierarchy of values, whether that be a deity, personal accomplishment/significance, money, pleasure, another human being, science, etc. We all put something in the place of "the sacred." Everyone is a worshipper. That's not just "a figure of speech." I don't worship and I know quite a few people that don't either. You may have somewhat overstated your "everybody worships"... What's your conscious aim in life? Are you aware of any possible subconscious aims? Note that I'm talking about worship, not praise, which is an expression of worship (although likely you do participate in praise in some form of another). I would guess that something you worship (i.e., that you value at the highest level, that you acknowledge as an "ultimate aim," and that you strive towards) might be science. But that's just a guess. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 15:57:50 GMT
I don't worship and I know quite a few people that don't either. You may have somewhat overstated your "everybody worships"... What's your conscious aim in life? Are you aware of any possible subconscious aims? Note that I'm talking about worship, not praise, which is an expression of worship (although likely you do participate in praise in some form of another). I would guess that something you worship (i.e., that you value at the highest level, that you acknowledge as an "ultimate aim," and that you strive towards) might be science. But that's just a guess. I don't say prayers. I don't do anything that looks even from a distance like a prayer or a ritual that worship is normally associated with. It seems to me that you are playing fast and loose with the word "worship". |
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