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Apr 17, 2024 10:09:25 GMT
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 17, 2024 10:09:25 GMT
People usually assume that God is a superior being. Shouldn't such a being be above such petty things as a need to be worshipped all the time? I mean listen to your prayers. You keep telling him how big he is, how nice are all the things he's done. Even among human that kind of talk would lead you to nowhere unless you are addressing a narcissist of the highest degree and of very little intelligence. Think about that if you can.
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 17, 2024 18:51:16 GMT
People usually assume that God is a superior being. Shouldn't such a being be above such petty things as a need to be worshipped all the time? I mean listen to your prayers. You keep telling him how big he is, how nice are all the things he's done. Even among human that kind of talk would lead you to nowhere unless you are addressing a narcissist of the highest degree and of very little intelligence. Think about that if you can. Speaking in regards to Christianity... since there are who knows how many religions you could be talking about here... What do you base a "need" by God to be worshipped on? Christians do not worship God because we think God needs it... |
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Apr 17, 2024 22:21:00 GMT
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 17, 2024 22:21:00 GMT
People usually assume that God is a superior being. Shouldn't such a being be above such petty things as a need to be worshipped all the time? I mean listen to your prayers. You keep telling him how big he is, how nice are all the things he's done. Even among human that kind of talk would lead you to nowhere unless you are addressing a narcissist of the highest degree and of very little intelligence. Think about that if you can. Speaking in regards to Christianity... since there are who knows how many religions you could be talking about here... What do you base a "need" by God to be worshipped on? Christians do not worship God because we think God needs it... Well, if he doesn't need it then chances are that he finds it just as annoying and boring as any intelligent human being would. So at best God disregards it , at worst it's pissing him off. |
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Apr 17, 2024 23:03:53 GMT
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 17, 2024 23:03:53 GMT
Speaking in regards to Christianity... since there are who knows how many religions you could be talking about here... What do you base a "need" by God to be worshipped on? Christians do not worship God because we think God needs it... Well, if he doesn't need it then chances are that he finds it just as annoying and boring as any intelligent human being would. So at best God disregards it , at worst it's pissing him off. How quickly you move on from one ignorant comment to another. Almost as if you enjoy being as ignorant as you are. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 17, 2024 23:48:02 GMT
Well, if he doesn't need it then chances are that he finds it just as annoying and boring as any intelligent human being would. So at best God disregards it , at worst it's pissing him off. How quickly you move on from one ignorant comment to another. Almost as if you enjoy being as ignorant as you are. How fast you prove that you have thick blinders over your eyes that prevent you to heed any new ideas and that you are stupid. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 18, 2024 0:29:54 GMT
People usually assume that God is a superior being. Shouldn't such a being be above such petty things as a need to be worshipped all the time? I mean listen to your prayers. You keep telling him how big he is, how nice are all the things he's done. Even among human that kind of talk would lead you to nowhere unless you are addressing a narcissist of the highest degree and of very little intelligence. Think about that if you can. Worship is far less about God's "need to be reminded of who he is" (by which I mean it's not that at all) as much as it's our need to be reminded who he is. Everyone is a worshipper. Every one "recognizes or ascribes worth" to something or someone (or many things or people). The salient question is...what is the highest thing or person on the hierarchy of worth? |
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Apr 18, 2024 1:06:48 GMT
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 18, 2024 1:06:48 GMT
People usually assume that God is a superior being. Shouldn't such a being be above such petty things as a need to be worshipped all the time? I mean listen to your prayers. You keep telling him how big he is, how nice are all the things he's done. Even among human that kind of talk would lead you to nowhere unless you are addressing a narcissist of the highest degree and of very little intelligence. Think about that if you can. Worship is far less about God's "need to be reminded of who he is" (by which I mean it's not that at all) as much as it's our need to be reminded who he is. Everyone is a worshipper. Every one "recognizes or ascribes worth" to something or someone (or many things or people). The salient question is...what is the highest thing or person on the hierarchy of worth? Why do you need to be reminded of who he is? That doesn't make sense unless you're all suffering from long term memory losses. To me it looks very much like brainwashing, repeat something until it becomes engraved in the mind. Not healthy at all. |
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Apr 18, 2024 13:18:01 GMT
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 18, 2024 13:18:01 GMT
Worship is far less about God's "need to be reminded of who he is" (by which I mean it's not that at all) as much as it's our need to be reminded who he is. Everyone is a worshipper. Every one "recognizes or ascribes worth" to something or someone (or many things or people). The salient question is...what is the highest thing or person on the hierarchy of worth? Why do you need to be reminded of who he is? That doesn't make sense unless you're all suffering from long term memory losses. To me it looks very much like brainwashing, repeat something until it becomes engraved in the mind. Not healthy at all. Because we are surrounded by all kinds of counterfeit claims and offers of authority, fulfillment, meaning, truth, etc., and we are so easily enticed and deceived. Imagine someone struggling with depression and distraction daily reminding himself, this university degree is worth pursuing and completing. Is that unhealthy brainwashing? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 18, 2024 14:08:14 GMT
Why do you need to be reminded of who he is? That doesn't make sense unless you're all suffering from long term memory losses. To me it looks very much like brainwashing, repeat something until it becomes engraved in the mind. Not healthy at all. Because we are surrounded by all kinds of counterfeit claims and offers of authority, fulfillment, meaning, truth, etc., and we are so easily enticed and deceived. Imagine someone struggling with depression and distraction daily reminding himself, this university degree is worth pursuing and completing. Is that unhealthy brainwashing? Yeah, it does. I mean for the example given, there are objective reasons to support the idea that a degree is worth pursuing, or if there aren't then maybe that degree is not worth much and you were right to doubt its usefulness. Anyway, I am not a big fan of these methods. They are IMO irrational. If you program yourself to believe that something is worth pursuing, you may miss obvious signs that you should stop and try something else. So if your prayers are something comparable to that. To me they are unhealthy and may cause damage to your psyche that you may find hard to recover from. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 18, 2024 14:16:14 GMT
How quickly you move on from one ignorant comment to another. Almost as if you enjoy being as ignorant as you are. How fast you prove that you have thick blinders over your eyes that prevent you to heed any new ideas and that you are stupid. You are not offering any "new ideas" here. You are ignorantly speaking about religion and Christianity. It is you who needs to open your eyes or stop jerking us around here wanting us to humor your bigotry. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 18, 2024 14:20:42 GMT
How fast you prove that you have thick blinders over your eyes that prevent you to heed any new ideas and that you are stupid. You are not offering any "new ideas" here. You are ignorantly speaking about religion and Christianity. It is you who needs to open your eyes or stop jerking us around here wanting us to humor your bigotry. If the best you can do to defend your religion is to insult people who question it then either your religion is not worth much or you are a pitiable excuse for a debater... so, which is it? |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 18, 2024 14:34:45 GMT
You are not offering any "new ideas" here. You are ignorantly speaking about religion and Christianity. It is you who needs to open your eyes or stop jerking us around here wanting us to humor your bigotry. If the best you can do to defend your religion is to insult people who question it then either your religion is not worth much or you are a pitiable excuse for a debater... so, which is it? Your entire purpose of being here was to be insulting. I was more than nice enough to you in my first response and instead of dealing with that you pivot to more ignorant comments. |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 18, 2024 14:37:36 GMT
Because we are surrounded by all kinds of counterfeit claims and offers of authority, fulfillment, meaning, truth, etc., and we are so easily enticed and deceived. Imagine someone struggling with depression and distraction daily reminding himself, this university degree is worth pursuing and completing. Is that unhealthy brainwashing? Yeah, it does. I mean for the example given, there are objective reasons to support the idea that a degree is worth pursuing, or if there aren't then maybe that degree is not worth much and you were right to doubt its usefulness. Anyway, I am not a big fan of these methods. They are IMO irrational. If you program yourself to believe that something is worth pursuing, you may miss obvious signs that you should stop and try something else. So if your prayers are something comparable to that. To me they are unhealthy and may cause damage to your psyche that you may find hard to recover from. You don't talk to a lot of younger people, do you? A bit of a tangent, but check out this article: www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-kobe-bryants-mamba-mentality-changed-the-nba/(For clarification, Bryant's "Mamba Mentality" was something he told himself every day and before every game to remind himself who he "wanted to be as a basketball player.") Do you think that maybe, mid-career, Kobe Bryant was missing obvious signs and should have stopped to try something else? |
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 18, 2024 16:32:32 GMT
Yeah, it does. I mean for the example given, there are objective reasons to support the idea that a degree is worth pursuing, or if there aren't then maybe that degree is not worth much and you were right to doubt its usefulness. Anyway, I am not a big fan of these methods. They are IMO irrational. If you program yourself to believe that something is worth pursuing, you may miss obvious signs that you should stop and try something else. So if your prayers are something comparable to that. To me they are unhealthy and may cause damage to your psyche that you may find hard to recover from. You don't talk to a lot of younger people, do you? A bit of a tangent, but check out this article: www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-kobe-bryants-mamba-mentality-changed-the-nba/(For clarification, Bryant's "Mamba Mentality" was something he told himself every day and before every game to remind himself who he "wanted to be as a basketball player.") Do you think that maybe, mid-career, Kobe Bryant was missing obvious signs and should have stopped to try something else? I don't know but as a carrier choice it seems rather dicey.... How many people tried the exact same thing and it led to nowhere? Hundreds? Thousands?
It's like the lottery. You hear plenty of stories about people winning and doing all sorts of stuff with their huge winnings... Does this mean that whatever they did to get there is a recommended path? I don't think so. They were lucky is all but somehow people want to believe that there is something there, like a trick or something. Do you believe that? Do you believe that people who win the lottery are gifted somehow?
I talk to all sorts people of all ages, but I don't see how that's relevant.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 18, 2024 16:34:02 GMT
If the best you can do to defend your religion is to insult people who question it then either your religion is not worth much or you are a pitiable excuse for a debater... so, which is it? Your entire purpose of being here was to be insulting. I was more than nice enough to you in my first response and instead of dealing with that you pivot to more ignorant comments. Your entire purpose is to pollute this thread with irrelevancies. |
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 18, 2024 17:30:46 GMT
Your entire purpose of being here was to be insulting. I was more than nice enough to you in my first response and instead of dealing with that you pivot to more ignorant comments. Your entire purpose is to pollute this thread with irrelevancies. I can't pollute what you started out as a pile of crap to begin with. You are complaining that I got muddy in your mud pit. |
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Apr 18, 2024 22:39:30 GMT
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 18, 2024 22:39:30 GMT
Your entire purpose is to pollute this thread with irrelevancies. I can't pollute what you started out as a pile of crap to begin with. You are complaining that I got muddy in your mud pit. You son of a bitch, if you can't respect the rules of normal debate. You should go away. |
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Apr 19, 2024 0:04:11 GMT
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Post by Monster Man on Apr 19, 2024 0:04:11 GMT
I can't pollute what you started out as a pile of crap to begin with. You are complaining that I got muddy in your mud pit. You son of a bitch, if you can't respect the rules of normal debate. You should go away. You didn’t start this thread to have a normal debate nor have you attempted to engage in any. |
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Apr 19, 2024 0:14:43 GMT
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 19, 2024 0:14:43 GMT
You son of a bitch, if you can't respect the rules of normal debate. You should go away. You didn’t start this thread to have a normal debate nor have you attempted to engage in any. Go the fuck away! |
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Post by Mercy for All on Apr 19, 2024 0:21:09 GMT
You don't talk to a lot of younger people, do you? A bit of a tangent, but check out this article: www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-kobe-bryants-mamba-mentality-changed-the-nba/(For clarification, Bryant's "Mamba Mentality" was something he told himself every day and before every game to remind himself who he "wanted to be as a basketball player.") Do you think that maybe, mid-career, Kobe Bryant was missing obvious signs and should have stopped to try something else? I don't know but as a carrier choice it seems rather dicey.... How many people tried the exact same thing and it led to nowhere? Hundreds? Thousands?
It's like the lottery. You hear plenty of stories about people winning and doing all sorts of stuff with their huge winnings... Does this mean that whatever they did to get there is a recommended path? I don't think so. They were lucky is all but somehow people want to believe that there is something there, like a trick or something. Do you believe that? Do you believe that people who win the lottery are gifted somehow?
I talk to all sorts people of all ages, but I don't see how that's relevant.
It might be different in Europe than here, but an appalling number of young people are lacking resiliency and hope, and it's pretty common and effective for "statements of affirmation" to be repeated regularly to help accommodate struggles. As well, many people do use tools like this to maintain focus and determination. I'm surprised that you haven't come across that before. |
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