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Post by freonbale on Apr 16, 2024 19:12:57 GMT
Most scientists have an innate desire to help other people understand? lol. Are you serious? Do you really believe that shit? Scientists are just people, same as you and I. Stop putting these people on a pedestal. They are motivated by the EXACT same things you and I are. ONLY difference, is they got more trained. They are not 'superior', unless you consider being more educated to be superior. I don't. WHO people are does not change based on your education. I have seen just as many asshole scientists, as non-ones. Why is everything a liquid? Because unless you achieve absolute zero (that's in Kelvin, not Celsius or Fahrenheit), even the most solid substances to your eye, are actually abuzz with motion at an atomic level (it's called Brownian Motion) Think of 'solids' as incredibly viscous liquids, if that helps you understand it. Or as frozen liquids. But either way, they are NOT solid. And a gas would be the other extreme. A liquid that is so dispersed, that to your eye it appears as another state of matter. But when it comes to understanding fluid dynamics, the actual study of fluid motions, there is no difference between those three states, only the quantity of time it takes for them to behave as fluids. Look up glass, if you don't believe me. It's actually described as a Supercooled Liquid. As to the fourth state, plasma, that's just a gas, stripped of its ions, and it behaves like any other gas, which means really, as a fluid. But, to be practical, to be predictive on short time scales, it is easier to understand matter as having four states. And it allows lay people like you, to have a basic understanding of how the world works. So there you go. Explained as best I can, given your background. As to men coming from women, you tell ME what is a better explanation for men having organs that serve no function on them, but do on women. G-d? Is that the best you have, given the evidence? And to be clear, when I say men from women, I am not referring to Homo sapiens. The strategy of male and female occurred WAY before we were on the scene. Millions of years. I'm talking the FIRST animals that segregated into male and female. We're just the latest version. Now please do NOT accept anything I've said here as proof of my science background. I'm telling you because I feel like it, nothing more. Freon Yes, I do believe that the typical scientist has an innate curiosity and desire to help the rest of us understand. I'm referring, of course, to normal scientists, not to arrogant, cynical blowhards that pretend that they know something about science. Sure there are assholes in every walk of life, but scientific study is the quest for knowledge no matter how you slice it. Molecular motion doesn't mean everything is a liquid. Liquid is a specific state of not just motion, but the forces between molecules. And glass is also called an "amorphous solid", which is an odd scientific label if "real" genius scientists like yourself are in on the secret that it's all "liquid". For gases and liquids, the term "fluid" is more applicable and correct.
But it's all a game of semantics to the likes of you, not science. If you are interested in accuracy, calling everything "liquid" is ridiculous. Such wordplay is reflection of the one-upmanship subterfuge that you like to play at rather than any real discussion of science.
Did I bring up God at all? To throw out a dishonest strawman fallacy like that is a sign of desperation and a lack of confidence in your own argument.
"....you tell ME what is a better explanation for men having organs that serve no function on them, but do on women" - Freon. His "example" are nipples on men (not an organ). OK, let's see if women have non functional male features. I wonder if he's noticed that part of a female's genitalia (it varies by female) that has a phallic shape? Guess where that came from? Does that mean men came first?
Real intelligence means that you think such things through first before opening your pie hole to let them out. I did, you didn't.
Sigh. You did a web search. Big surprise. Now you see why I don't try and explain things to you. There's no point. You will find some oversimplified explanation, and since it seems to contradict what I am saying, you counter-argue as if YOUR knowledge is what is countering mine. You cannot replace actual learning over years, with a web search. You might as well look up how to fly an airplane, and then argue with a pilot whose been doing it for years. As to the second part of my comment, I wanted to see if you were a thinking person, or merely a repeater of dogma, and you are definitely the latter. Your example is what is called a PHENOTYPE, an observable characteristic, whereas mine is a GENOTYPE, which the genes actually encode. That 'penis shaped genitalia' is functionless as a penis. What you are actually seeing are nearly identical genes for human genitalia expressed in two different ways. The sum of the parts is nearly the same, but the penis and vagina are basically inside-out. That's why they fit so nicely. The physical world is WAY more complicated than you understand, Paleo, and your 1950s knowledge of it is inaccurate. Yeah, I know you will disagree. Worse, since our understanding of it changes daily, your knowledge gets even more inaccurate each day as well. Freon
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Post by petep on Apr 16, 2024 19:24:45 GMT
So we all agree this woman is an idiot as are those who voted her in.
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Post by Lomelis on Apr 16, 2024 19:37:42 GMT
Is Igor claiming to be a super duper scientist while making statements that have have no documentation, studies, or reports or anything that can possibly back up what he's saying again?
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 16, 2024 19:42:10 GMT
Yes, I do believe that the typical scientist has an innate curiosity and desire to help the rest of us understand. I'm referring, of course, to normal scientists, not to arrogant, cynical blowhards that pretend that they know something about science. Sure there are assholes in every walk of life, but scientific study is the quest for knowledge no matter how you slice it. Molecular motion doesn't mean everything is a liquid. Liquid is a specific state of not just motion, but the forces between molecules. And glass is also called an "amorphous solid", which is an odd scientific label if "real" genius scientists like yourself are in on the secret that it's all "liquid". For gases and liquids, the term "fluid" is more applicable and correct.
But it's all a game of semantics to the likes of you, not science. If you are interested in accuracy, calling everything "liquid" is ridiculous. Such wordplay is reflection of the one-upmanship subterfuge that you like to play at rather than any real discussion of science.
Did I bring up God at all? To throw out a dishonest strawman fallacy like that is a sign of desperation and a lack of confidence in your own argument.
"....you tell ME what is a better explanation for men having organs that serve no function on them, but do on women" - Freon. His "example" are nipples on men (not an organ). OK, let's see if women have non functional male features. I wonder if he's noticed that part of a female's genitalia (it varies by female) that has a phallic shape? Guess where that came from? Does that mean men came first?
Real intelligence means that you think such things through first before opening your pie hole to let them out. I did, you didn't.
Sigh. You did a web search. Big surprise. Now you see why I don't try and explain things to you. There's no point. You will find some oversimplified explanation, and since it seems to contradict what I am saying, you counter-argue as if YOUR knowledge is what is countering mine. You cannot replace actual learning over years, with a web search. You might as well look up how to fly an airplane, and then argue with a pilot whose been doing it for years. As to the second part of my comment, I wanted to see if you were a thinking person, or merely a repeater of dogma, and you are definitely the latter. Your example is what is called a PHENOTYPE, an observable characteristic, whereas mine is a GENOTYPE, which the genes actually encode. That 'penis shaped genitalia' is functionless as a penis. What you are actually seeing are nearly identical genes for human genitalia expressed in two different ways. The sum of the parts is nearly the same, but the penis and vagina are basically inside-out. That's why they fit so nicely. The physical world is WAY more complicated than you understand, Paleo, and your 1950s knowledge of it is inaccurate. Yeah, I know you will disagree. Worse, since our understanding of it changes daily, your knowledge gets even more inaccurate each day as well. Freon Your example was a man's useless nipples, which IS a phenotype. You can't even keep straight what you posted earlier, can you, genius? Here, let me remind you:
FREON: Men evolved from women. That's why men have non-functional nipples, for instance. The original design, women, had nipples for mammary gland milk dissemination, but men do not perform this function, so rather than eliminate them, nature has the genes in both men and women, and simply disables the mammary function in men. In this sense, the Y chromosome is sort of a 'broken' or 'scaled-back' X chromosome, disabling female traits that men do not need.
I pointed out that the disabled genetic traits go both ways, with women having small non functional male traits, thus challenging your "men evolved from women" nonsense. You certainly didn't share a genotype example in that post.
What's ironic is that your arrogance in believing that you know it all is actually what gets you in trouble. I ALWAYS check to see if what I think I know can be confirmed by the facts. You screwed up with the "It's all a liquid!!" joke science and now you can't even remember that YOU used the phenotypical example of man nipples before.
Unlike you, I don't pretend superiority concerning the physical world or scientific knowledge. But I don't take what you say on face value for the same reason that I don't take what's on the internet at face value. You've shown no extra special expertise on any of these subjects; you'd receive an earned deference if you had.
A good start would be to actually back up your wild pronouncements with grounded, peer reviewed sources rather than pretending to scold those of us who are correcting your mistakes.
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Post by freonbale on Apr 16, 2024 19:53:04 GMT
Sigh. You did a web search. Big surprise. Now you see why I don't try and explain things to you. There's no point. You will find some oversimplified explanation, and since it seems to contradict what I am saying, you counter-argue as if YOUR knowledge is what is countering mine. You cannot replace actual learning over years, with a web search. You might as well look up how to fly an airplane, and then argue with a pilot whose been doing it for years. As to the second part of my comment, I wanted to see if you were a thinking person, or merely a repeater of dogma, and you are definitely the latter. Your example is what is called a PHENOTYPE, an observable characteristic, whereas mine is a GENOTYPE, which the genes actually encode. That 'penis shaped genitalia' is functionless as a penis. What you are actually seeing are nearly identical genes for human genitalia expressed in two different ways. The sum of the parts is nearly the same, but the penis and vagina are basically inside-out. That's why they fit so nicely. The physical world is WAY more complicated than you understand, Paleo, and your 1950s knowledge of it is inaccurate. Yeah, I know you will disagree. Worse, since our understanding of it changes daily, your knowledge gets even more inaccurate each day as well. Freon Your example was a man's useless nipples, which IS a phenotype. You can't even keep straight what you posted earlier, can you, genius? Here, let me remind you:
FREON: Men evolved from women. That's why men have non-functional nipples, for instance. The original design, women, had nipples for mammary gland milk dissemination, but men do not perform this function, so rather than eliminate them, nature has the genes in both men and women, and simply disables the mammary function in men. In this sense, the Y chromosome is sort of a 'broken' or 'scaled-back' X chromosome, disabling female traits that men do not need.
I pointed out that the disabled genetic traits go both ways, with women having small non functional male traits, thus challenging your "men evolved from women" nonsense. You certainly didn't share a genotype example in that post.
What's ironic is that your arrogance in believing that you know it all is actually what gets you in trouble. I ALWAYS check to see if what I think I know can be confirmed by the facts. You screwed up with the "It's all a liquid!!" joke science and now you can't even remember that YOU used the phenotypical example of man nipples before.
Unlike you, I don't pretend superiority concerning the physical world or scientific knowledge. But I don't take what you say on face value for the same reason that I don't take what's on the internet at face value. You've shown no extra special expertise on any of these subjects; you'd receive an earned deference if you had.
A good start would be to actually back up your wild pronouncements with grounded, peer reviewed sources rather than pretending to scold those of us who are correcting your mistakes.
lol, peer reviewed. You still think that's a thing. Ok, whatever, Paleo. I'm glad we went through this. I see no reason to alter my communication strategy towards you. If you choose to exist spouting ignorance, then that's a choice you've embraced. Freon
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Post by petep on Apr 16, 2024 19:57:36 GMT
Your example was a man's useless nipples, which IS a phenotype. You can't even keep straight what you posted earlier, can you, genius? Here, let me remind you:
FREON: Men evolved from women. That's why men have non-functional nipples, for instance. The original design, women, had nipples for mammary gland milk dissemination, but men do not perform this function, so rather than eliminate them, nature has the genes in both men and women, and simply disables the mammary function in men. In this sense, the Y chromosome is sort of a 'broken' or 'scaled-back' X chromosome, disabling female traits that men do not need.
I pointed out that the disabled genetic traits go both ways, with women having small non functional male traits, thus challenging your "men evolved from women" nonsense. You certainly didn't share a genotype example in that post.
What's ironic is that your arrogance in believing that you know it all is actually what gets you in trouble. I ALWAYS check to see if what I think I know can be confirmed by the facts. You screwed up with the "It's all a liquid!!" joke science and now you can't even remember that YOU used the phenotypical example of man nipples before.
Unlike you, I don't pretend superiority concerning the physical world or scientific knowledge. But I don't take what you say on face value for the same reason that I don't take what's on the internet at face value. You've shown no extra special expertise on any of these subjects; you'd receive an earned deference if you had.
A good start would be to actually back up your wild pronouncements with grounded, peer reviewed sources rather than pretending to scold those of us who are correcting your mistakes.
lol, peer reviewed. You still think that's a thing. Ok, whatever, Paleo. I'm glad we went through this. I see no reason to alter my communication strategy towards you. If you choose to exist spouting ignorance, then that's a choice you've embraced. Freon Ahh. The ignorance is staggering www.ficpa.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/State%20of%20Florida%20Regulatory%20Peer%20Review%20Requirements.pdf
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Post by freonbale on Apr 16, 2024 20:02:02 GMT
You didn't understand my point. I'm not saying peer reviews don't exist, lol, I'm saying ALL articles are peer reviewed. To say 'peer reviewed', like the information you are referencing in an article is somehow of greater veracity, is silly. Freon
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 16, 2024 20:17:12 GMT
Your example was a man's useless nipples, which IS a phenotype. You can't even keep straight what you posted earlier, can you, genius? Here, let me remind you:
FREON: Men evolved from women. That's why men have non-functional nipples, for instance. The original design, women, had nipples for mammary gland milk dissemination, but men do not perform this function, so rather than eliminate them, nature has the genes in both men and women, and simply disables the mammary function in men. In this sense, the Y chromosome is sort of a 'broken' or 'scaled-back' X chromosome, disabling female traits that men do not need.
I pointed out that the disabled genetic traits go both ways, with women having small non functional male traits, thus challenging your "men evolved from women" nonsense. You certainly didn't share a genotype example in that post.
What's ironic is that your arrogance in believing that you know it all is actually what gets you in trouble. I ALWAYS check to see if what I think I know can be confirmed by the facts. You screwed up with the "It's all a liquid!!" joke science and now you can't even remember that YOU used the phenotypical example of man nipples before.
Unlike you, I don't pretend superiority concerning the physical world or scientific knowledge. But I don't take what you say on face value for the same reason that I don't take what's on the internet at face value. You've shown no extra special expertise on any of these subjects; you'd receive an earned deference if you had.
A good start would be to actually back up your wild pronouncements with grounded, peer reviewed sources rather than pretending to scold those of us who are correcting your mistakes.
lol, peer reviewed. You still think that's a thing. Ok, whatever, Paleo. I'm glad we went through this. I see no reason to alter my communication strategy towards you. If you choose to exist spouting ignorance, then that's a choice you've embraced. Freon Take note, folks. When you see this kind of response from Freon, you know you've dusted his britches (he probably doesn't know what that means, bless his heart).
Yes, scientific and statistical papers are typically reviewed by other experts that can evaluate the methodologies and assumptions used in various studies and analyses.
Freon, I admit that I'm probably ignorant on a whole lot of things, but evidently I'm still way ahead of you.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 16, 2024 20:22:26 GMT
Is Igor claiming to be a super duper scientist while making statements that have have no documentation, studies, or reports or anything that can possibly back up what he's saying again? I'm afraid so. Wouldn't it be refreshing if he tried to stop being pretentious for just a day and mad an attempt to humor us lesser beings by having a normal discussion?
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Post by freonbale on Apr 16, 2024 21:57:29 GMT
lol, peer reviewed. You still think that's a thing. Ok, whatever, Paleo. I'm glad we went through this. I see no reason to alter my communication strategy towards you. If you choose to exist spouting ignorance, then that's a choice you've embraced. Freon Take note, folks. When you see this kind of response from Freon, you know you've dusted his britches (he probably doesn't know what that means, bless his heart).
Yes, scientific and statistical papers are typically reviewed by other experts that can evaluate the methodologies and assumptions used in various studies and analyses.
Freon, I admit that I'm probably ignorant on a whole lot of things, but evidently I'm still way ahead of you.
Yup, your knowledge level in this area is evident. Freon
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Post by Fiddler on Apr 16, 2024 22:31:42 GMT
Is Igor claiming to be a super duper scientist while making statements that have have no documentation, studies, or reports or anything that can possibly back up what he's saying again? No.. But how dare he muscle in on your territory..
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 16, 2024 22:54:23 GMT
Take note, folks. When you see this kind of response from Freon, you know you've dusted his britches (he probably doesn't know what that means, bless his heart).
Yes, scientific and statistical papers are typically reviewed by other experts that can evaluate the methodologies and assumptions used in various studies and analyses.
Freon, I admit that I'm probably ignorant on a whole lot of things, but evidently I'm still way ahead of you.
Yup, your knowledge level in this area is evident. Freon You're a giant in your own mind, but out here, not so much. With a head that big, your center of gravity must really suck.
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Post by freonbale on Apr 16, 2024 23:01:10 GMT
Yup, your knowledge level in this area is evident. Freon You're a giant in your own mind, but out here, not so much. With a head that big, your center of gravity must really suck. I'm not at all bothered that you think that. Freon
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Post by thor on Apr 16, 2024 23:04:53 GMT
You're a giant in your own mind, but out here, not so much. With a head that big, your center of gravity must really suck. I'm not at all bothered that you think that. Freon I was musing about the title of this thread - 'Token Science'. Smacks of 'Judenphysik', doesn't it? These shitbags can't help themselves, can they?
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Post by freonbale on Apr 16, 2024 23:10:25 GMT
I'm not at all bothered that you think that. Freon I was musing about the title of this thread - 'Token Science'. Smacks of 'Judenphysik', doesn't it? These shitbags can't help themselves, can they? Prioritizing unearned self-worth over accurate information, purely because of the source. It's why atrocities happen. Freon
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Post by petep on Apr 16, 2024 23:50:45 GMT
I was musing about the title of this thread - 'Token Science'. Smacks of 'Judenphysik', doesn't it? These shitbags can't help themselves, can they? Prioritizing unearned self-worth over accurate information, purely because of the source. It's why atrocities happen. Freon Natural immunity lasts two months but the vaccine presents infection. Oh and you have a 20 percent chance of dying if you get covid. You mean that kind of science.
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Post by freonbale on Apr 17, 2024 0:17:48 GMT
Prioritizing unearned self-worth over accurate information, purely because of the source. It's why atrocities happen. Freon Natural immunity lasts two months but the vaccine presents infection. Oh and you have a 20 percent chance of dying if you get covid. You mean that kind of science. I have never denied saying that first part, I still do not, but I have no recollection of saying those others. What does 'present infection' even mean? And every time you bring up that first part, I tell you that given similar circumstances, I would continue to say the same thing, and that your NOT acknowledging what was known at the time put your own life at risk. You got lucky, but it was an uninformed position, and you are an imbecile for taking it. Freon
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 17, 2024 12:36:40 GMT
You're a giant in your own mind, but out here, not so much. With a head that big, your center of gravity must really suck. I'm not at all bothered that you think that. Freon Oh, it's not just a thought, dear Freon. That's a statement of fact.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 17, 2024 12:46:55 GMT
I'm not at all bothered that you think that. Freon I was musing about the title of this thread - 'Token Science'. Smacks of 'Judenphysik', doesn't it? These shitbags can't help themselves, can they? I'm surprised that it took you this long to notice the title of the thread. You've always been a little slow, haven't you, boy?
It's folks on the left that are electing incompetent people like Rep. Lee because of her skin pigmentation rather than on merit and intelligence.
It's tokenism that reflects the racism that the left now embraces and celebrates.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 17, 2024 12:50:32 GMT
I was musing about the title of this thread - 'Token Science'. Smacks of 'Judenphysik', doesn't it? These shitbags can't help themselves, can they? I'm surprised that it took you this long to notice the title of the thread. You've always been a little slow, haven't you, boy?
It's folks on the left that are electing incompetent people like Rep. Lee because of her skin pigmentation rather than on merit and intelligence.
It's tokenism that reflects the racism that the left now embraces and celebrates.
Is Boebert a token? MTG? Santos? They didn't get in by their merit or intellect and they come from a population with their same skin color.
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