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Post by Paleocon on Apr 17, 2024 13:06:02 GMT
I'm surprised that it took you this long to notice the title of the thread. You've always been a little slow, haven't you, boy?
It's folks on the left that are electing incompetent people like Rep. Lee because of her skin pigmentation rather than on merit and intelligence.
It's tokenism that reflects the racism that the left now embraces and celebrates.
Is Boebert a token? MTG? Santos? They didn't get in by their merit or intellect and they come from a population with their same skin color. Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority).
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Post by freonbale on Apr 17, 2024 13:29:33 GMT
I'm not at all bothered that you think that. Freon Oh, it's not just a thought, dear Freon. That's a statement of fact. Still unbothered. Freon
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 17, 2024 13:36:08 GMT
Is Boebert a token? MTG? Santos? They didn't get in by their merit or intellect and they come from a population with their same skin color. Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority). MTG is a solid dummy. Just look at her comments about wildfires and Rothschild lasers, or the gazpacho police, or repeating QANON theories and then consider her horrendous weight lifting form. No normal person works out like that. And now she is trying to sabotage the GOP house majority going into a presidential election? Super dumb! Lauren Boebert is a fountain of dumb. There's an entire genre of memes and examples under the hashtag "#LaurenBoebertIsSoDumb" She even made a video addressing these claims and it backfired and made her look even more dumb:https://www.comicsands.com/lauren-boebert-dumb-video-silence-2655304822.html An example of the kind of dumb things she says: "If there really is this separation of church and state like they believe … then what is Ilhan [Omar] doing with her hijab on?" I'll concede the point about Santos.
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Post by DaveJavu on Apr 17, 2024 13:44:37 GMT
Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority). MTG is a solid dummy. Just look at her comments about wildfires and Rothschild lasers, or the gazpacho police, or repeating QANON theories and then consider her horrendous weight lifting form. No normal person works out like that. And now she is trying to sabotage the GOP house majority going into a presidential election? Super dumb! Lauren Boebert is a fountain of dumb. There's an entire genre of memes and examples under the hashtag "#LaurenBoebertIsSoDumb" She even made a video addressing these claims and it backfired and made her look even more dumb:https://www.comicsands.com/lauren-boebert-dumb-video-silence-2655304822.html An example of the kind of dumb things she says: "If there really is this separation of church and state like they believe … then what is Ilhan [Omar] doing with her hijab on?" I'll concede the point about Santos. Santos; When being corrupt is regarded as a lesser evil.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 17, 2024 13:53:21 GMT
Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority). MTG is a solid dummy. Just look at her comments about wildfires and Rothschild lasers, or the gazpacho police, or repeating QANON theories and then consider her horrendous weight lifting form. No normal person works out like that. And now she is trying to sabotage the GOP house majority going into a presidential election? Super dumb! Lauren Boebert is a fountain of dumb. There's an entire genre of memes and examples under the hashtag "#LaurenBoebertIsSoDumb" She even made a video addressing these claims and it backfired and made her look even more dumb:https://www.comicsands.com/lauren-boebert-dumb-video-silence-2655304822.html An example of the kind of dumb things she says: "If there really is this separation of church and state like they believe … then what is Ilhan [Omar] doing with her hijab on?" I'll concede the point about Santos. But NONE were elevated based on their skin color. MTG made the POTUS acknowledge his perverted border policies in the middle of the State of the Union! Not dumb at all. And a cursory look at the allegedly "dumb" things that Boebert has said, some are just hate filled rants from liberals, not something at the level of the moon being gassy.
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Post by atreyu on Apr 17, 2024 14:31:02 GMT
Is Boebert a token? MTG? Santos? They didn't get in by their merit or intellect and they come from a population with their same skin color. Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority).
Should of known you would be a supporter of Hunter's dick pics.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 17, 2024 17:56:07 GMT
Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority).
Should of known you would be a supporter of Hunter's dick pics. You got THAT from what I posted? Looks like it's you that has men's genitals in your thoughts, as evidenced by you bringing up "Hunter's dick pics" out of the blue.
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Post by Fiddler on Apr 17, 2024 18:00:43 GMT
Indeed MTG wasn't elected for her skin color.. They elected her because she hates the same people as they do ..
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Post by thor on Apr 17, 2024 18:01:01 GMT
I was musing about the title of this thread - 'Token Science'. Smacks of 'Judenphysik', doesn't it? These shitbags can't help themselves, can they? I'm surprised that it took you this long to notice the title of the thread. You've always been a little slow, haven't you, boy?
It's folks on the left that are electing incompetent people like Rep. Lee because of her skin pigmentation rather than on merit and intelligence.
It's tokenism that reflects the racism that the left now embraces and celebrates.
You walked right into the rake I laid out for you, dumbass. As I said, you shitbags can't help yourselves - you're proud of your racism.
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Post by thor on Apr 17, 2024 18:03:47 GMT
Neither Boebert nor MTG are incompetent beyond smearing a word or two occasionally. Santos was corrupt, not stupid. Find better examples. Rep. Lee was elected in a district built on racism....it was shaped to contain a black majority (now it's Hispanics, followed by blacks as the majority). MTG is a solid dummy. Just look at her comments about wildfires and Rothschild lasers, or the gazpacho police, or repeating QANON theories and then consider her horrendous weight lifting form. No normal person works out like that. And now she is trying to sabotage the GOP house majority going into a presidential election? Super dumb! Lauren Boebert is a fountain of dumb. There's an entire genre of memes and examples under the hashtag "#LaurenBoebertIsSoDumb" She even made a video addressing these claims and it backfired and made her look even more dumb:https://www.comicsands.com/lauren-boebert-dumb-video-silence-2655304822.html An example of the kind of dumb things she says: "If there really is this separation of church and state like they believe … then what is Ilhan [Omar] doing with her hijab on?" I'll concede the point about Santos.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 17, 2024 18:14:33 GMT
I'm surprised that it took you this long to notice the title of the thread. You've always been a little slow, haven't you, boy?
It's folks on the left that are electing incompetent people like Rep. Lee because of her skin pigmentation rather than on merit and intelligence.
It's tokenism that reflects the racism that the left now embraces and celebrates.
You walked right into the rake I laid out for you, dumbass. As I said, you shitbags can't help yourselves - you're proud of your racism. Actually, the rake was safely stowed up your ass long ago, out of harm's way. Can't you feel it, twink, or is that orifice numb from years of abuse?
Only an idiot like you would call someone a racist because he pointed out YOUR racism.
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Post by thor on Apr 17, 2024 19:01:56 GMT
You walked right into the rake I laid out for you, dumbass. As I said, you shitbags can't help yourselves - you're proud of your racism. Actually, the rake was safely stowed up your ass long ago, out of harm's way. Can't you feel it, twink, or is that orifice numb from years of abuse?
Only an idiot like you would call someone a racist because he pointed out YOUR racism.
Ass whipped harder than Lee at Appomattox, Paleo plays the 'I know you are but what am I' card.
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Post by atreyu on Apr 17, 2024 19:29:55 GMT
Should of known you would be a supporter of Hunter's dick pics. You got THAT from what I posted? Looks like it's you that has men's genitals in your thoughts, as evidenced by you bringing up "Hunter's dick pics" out of the blue.
... but also embarrassed by her, interesting. At least there is a hint of self awareness in there.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 17, 2024 21:50:18 GMT
MTG is a solid dummy. Just look at her comments about wildfires and Rothschild lasers, or the gazpacho police, or repeating QANON theories and then consider her horrendous weight lifting form. No normal person works out like that. And now she is trying to sabotage the GOP house majority going into a presidential election? Super dumb! Lauren Boebert is a fountain of dumb. There's an entire genre of memes and examples under the hashtag "#LaurenBoebertIsSoDumb" She even made a video addressing these claims and it backfired and made her look even more dumb:https://www.comicsands.com/lauren-boebert-dumb-video-silence-2655304822.html An example of the kind of dumb things she says: "If there really is this separation of church and state like they believe … then what is Ilhan [Omar] doing with her hijab on?" I'll concede the point about Santos. But NONE were elevated based on their skin color. MTG made the POTUS acknowledge his perverted border policies in the middle of the State of the Union! Not dumb at all. And a cursory look at the allegedly "dumb" things that Boebert has said, some are just hate filled rants from liberals, not something at the level of the moon being gassy. So when dumb white people get a little power, it's just a fluke but if a black person does the same, they were put there because of their skin color? White communities send white people to congress, black communities send black people. Both groups will inevitably send some morons. I'm not seeing the difference. I don't think black people sending other black people to congress is a story about skin color, no more than when white people do the same.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 18, 2024 13:11:50 GMT
But NONE were elevated based on their skin color. MTG made the POTUS acknowledge his perverted border policies in the middle of the State of the Union! Not dumb at all. And a cursory look at the allegedly "dumb" things that Boebert has said, some are just hate filled rants from liberals, not something at the level of the moon being gassy. So when dumb white people get a little power, it's just a fluke but if a black person does the same, they were put there because of their skin color? White communities send white people to congress, black communities send black people. Both groups will inevitably send some morons. I'm not seeing the difference. I don't think black people sending other black people to congress is a story about skin color, no more than when white people do the same. White people don't send people to Congress because of their skin color, black people do. No one is denying that some of our elected officials are idiots. But when race is the primary motivator for a vote, you get incompetence far more often. And voting based on skin color is racist, which means that most blacks that do so are racists.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 18, 2024 13:21:14 GMT
So when dumb white people get a little power, it's just a fluke but if a black person does the same, they were put there because of their skin color? White communities send white people to congress, black communities send black people. Both groups will inevitably send some morons. I'm not seeing the difference. I don't think black people sending other black people to congress is a story about skin color, no more than when white people do the same. White people don't send people to Congress because of their skin color, black people do. There we go. That's the implied and unstated belief that I was detecting in your posts. It's a clear bias and I would point to this as being the weak link in your argument. It's easy to see how such a view creates two standards for the different groups. When white people do x, its normal but when black people do the same, it has to be motivated by race or skin color. That's a very negative judgement to project on to a huge group of people without evidence or merit. A classic hasty generalization.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 18, 2024 13:30:31 GMT
White people don't send people to Congress because of their skin color, black people do. There we go. That's the implied and unstated belief that I was detecting in your posts. It's a clear bias and I would point to this as being the weak link in your argument. It's easy to see how such a view creates two standards for the different groups. When white people do x, its normal but when black people do the same, it has to be motivated by race or skin color. That's a very negative judgement to project on to a huge group of people without evidence or merit. A classic hasty generalization. Educate yourself before replying next time.
Pew poll: Being Black is central to sense of identity for most Black Americans
Black adults in America are nearly 40 points more likely than the general population to say that their racial background is central to the way they think about themselves, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, and how Black Americans view their racial identity affects their sense of connection with the Black community locally, in the US and around the world.
Overall, 76% of Black adults say that being Black is extremely (54%) or very (22%) important to how they think about themselves. Majorities across demographic and political subsets of the Black population feel this way.
Asked more generally about the importance of racial background, 71% of Black adults called it extremely or very important to their identity, compared with just 32% who said the same among all adults.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 18, 2024 13:42:43 GMT
There we go. That's the implied and unstated belief that I was detecting in your posts. It's a clear bias and I would point to this as being the weak link in your argument. It's easy to see how such a view creates two standards for the different groups. When white people do x, its normal but when black people do the same, it has to be motivated by race or skin color. That's a very negative judgement to project on to a huge group of people without evidence or merit. A classic hasty generalization. Educate yourself before replying next time.
Pew poll: Being Black is central to sense of identity for most Black Americans
Black adults in America are nearly 40 points more likely than the general population to say that their racial background is central to the way they think about themselves, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, and how Black Americans view their racial identity affects their sense of connection with the Black community locally, in the US and around the world.
Overall, 76% of Black adults say that being Black is extremely (54%) or very (22%) important to how they think about themselves. Majorities across demographic and political subsets of the Black population feel this way.
Asked more generally about the importance of racial background, 71% of Black adults called it extremely or very important to their identity, compared with just 32% who said the same among all adults.
How could it not be central to their identity? The white majority has made it central. That's the story of slavery and Jim Crow and part of it continues, here and there, to today. There is a great deal of shared trauma this group of people has experienced because of their race. But to focus merely on skin color rather than the social issues connected to it, is to miss the forest for the trees. This is not a group of people that is just pre-disposed to a racial focus. They've been put in a racial context and thus a racial awareness has been forced on them whether they like it or not. To ignore this dimension of politics would be at odds with black self interest. I would also argue that race can important to your sense of identity without that implying that your vote as a black person is merely a function of race. If that were true, people like Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, Candace Owens, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell etc would be more popular with the black community. I guess race isn't enough.
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Post by Paleocon on Apr 18, 2024 15:57:44 GMT
Educate yourself before replying next time.
Pew poll: Being Black is central to sense of identity for most Black Americans
Black adults in America are nearly 40 points more likely than the general population to say that their racial background is central to the way they think about themselves, according to a new poll from the Pew Research Center, and how Black Americans view their racial identity affects their sense of connection with the Black community locally, in the US and around the world.
Overall, 76% of Black adults say that being Black is extremely (54%) or very (22%) important to how they think about themselves. Majorities across demographic and political subsets of the Black population feel this way.
Asked more generally about the importance of racial background, 71% of Black adults called it extremely or very important to their identity, compared with just 32% who said the same among all adults.
How could it not be central to their identity? The white majority has made it central. That's the story of slavery and Jim Crow and part of it continues, here and there, to today. There is a great deal of shared trauma this group of people has experienced because of their race. But to focus merely on skin color rather than the social issues connected to it, is to miss the forest for the trees. This is not a group of people that is just pre-disposed to a racial focus. They've been put in a racial context and thus a racial awareness has been forced on them whether they like it or not. To ignore this dimension of politics would be at odds with black self interest. I would also argue that race can important to your sense of identity without that implying that your vote as a black person is merely a function of race. If that were true, people like Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, Candace Owens, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell etc would be more popular with the black community. I guess race isn't enough. So, an emphasis on racial identity by blacks in the 21st century is because white people forced them to do it? Sounds kinda stupid when I put it that way, doesn't it?
The "shared trauma" has mostly been self inflicted for the last 50 years as the black community has made its own cultural decisions. THEY have destroyed black families, not us. They have created a crime epidemic in their communities, not us. The "social issues" that you mention were not prevalent in the black community before the mid to late 1960s.
And past trauma is no excuse for them to be racists. And I never said that race was their only consideration, just their primary consideration.
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Post by RinsePrius on Apr 18, 2024 17:42:55 GMT
How could it not be central to their identity? The white majority has made it central. That's the story of slavery and Jim Crow and part of it continues, here and there, to today. There is a great deal of shared trauma this group of people has experienced because of their race. But to focus merely on skin color rather than the social issues connected to it, is to miss the forest for the trees. This is not a group of people that is just pre-disposed to a racial focus. They've been put in a racial context and thus a racial awareness has been forced on them whether they like it or not. To ignore this dimension of politics would be at odds with black self interest. I would also argue that race can important to your sense of identity without that implying that your vote as a black person is merely a function of race. If that were true, people like Ben Carson, Clarence Thomas, Candace Owens, Herman Cain, Thomas Sowell etc would be more popular with the black community. I guess race isn't enough. So, an emphasis on racial identity by blacks in the 21st century is because white people forced them to do it? Sounds kinda stupid when I put it that way, doesn't it?
The "shared trauma" has mostly been self inflicted for the last 50 years as the black community has made its own cultural decisions. THEY have destroyed black families, not us. They have created a crime epidemic in their communities, not us. The "social issues" that you mention were not prevalent in the black community before the mid to late 1960s.
And past trauma is no excuse for them to be racists. And I never said that race was their only consideration, just their primary consideration.
It certainly can't be disconnected from that recent history, much of which is still within living memory. Those effects compound. It certainly fosters a shared sense of us vs them (right or wrong). This us vs them context goes beyond mere skin color and is rooted in something much deeper, violence, dehumanization and generational trauma. How that affects a black person's sense of self and tribe is not something that we can simply reduce to racism. I can't understand how this history *wouldn't* impact the current situation. We don't get to wipe the slate clean. Past informs present. Where you see racism I see sociology, cause and effect. It shouldn't be any other way. Consider the long term impact of redlining, of not having access to credit, or a good education, or a good job, not to mention all the little things like dirty looks or not getting to use the public pool, etc. All that social stuff, big and small, adds up and plays a part in the story. I don't think there is something peculiar about black people that just renders them especially conscious of skin color, or race; I think there is a historical process playing out connected to their status as less than humans or more recently, as second class citizens. And some of the racist framework is still embedded in our society, working its magic. So the story isn't over. The good guys didn't win. They just moved the ball forward some.
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