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Post by Paleocon on Jul 10, 2023 15:28:41 GMT
This is interesting, but mass production is always the limiting factor. I track these technologies, and almost every week, I hear about some new breakthrough or another, but rarely does that get transformed into products because the manufacturing process for the technology is simply too expensive, cumbersome, resource-limited, etc. What IS very telling, is that industry seems to be standardizing to the Tesla adapter for recharging. I know of at least four companies that are doing so, and standards are what drives technology adoption more than revolutionary solutions. Freon That's why I qualified my post. As with most innovations it will be expensive and impractical in the beginning. Remember when DVD players were $500 and a 40" HDTV was $2,000? If there's real potential in the technology, the market will eventually make it happen. But, with EV, it's not the market that's making it happen. DVD's and HDTV evolved because of organic market demand, not government mandates. Make a great EV and folks will buy it, but don't force the technology down our throats when the technology is not even mature enough to make it on its own merit.
We don't even have enough raw materials available to go full EV, nor the electric infrastructure.
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Post by slefty on Jul 10, 2023 15:30:34 GMT
Hardly science fiction. Plausible possibilities. Your attitude would have us remaining in the cave waiting for lightning to strike to give us fire. As people once argued about flying cars.
The only people who "once argued" about flying cars were stoned out of minds and eating munchies.
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 10, 2023 15:35:34 GMT
Hardly science fiction. Plausible possibilities. Your attitude would have us remaining in the cave waiting for lightning to strike to give us fire. "Hardly science fiction." Plausible possibilities. As people once argued about flying cars.
It is your belief in fantasies like these and others that has allowed the right wing to outflank your claims to be the arbiters of reality.
What a fucking caveman. Do you still travel by horse and buggy or steam train? 40 years after the first powered flight the sound barrier was broken. It didn't happen overnight but the level of advancement from Kitty Hawk to global jet travel was and is miraculous. Guess no advancements will ever be made again. Quit wasting my time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 15:41:02 GMT
"Hardly science fiction." Plausible possibilities. As people once argued about flying cars.
It is your belief in fantasies like these and others that has allowed the right wing to outflank your claims to be the arbiters of reality.
What a fucking caveman. Do you still travel by horse and buggy or steam train? 40 years after the first powered flight the sound barrier was broken. It didn't happen overnight but the level of advancement from Kitty Hawk to global jet travel was and is miraculous. Guess no advancements will ever be made again. Quit wasting my time.
Typical modern illiberal leftist strategem: "Here's this thing that's nothing like what I'm arguing beyond spurious random connections (and in fact is a pro fossil fuel argument) to prove my point that this isn't fantasy!!"
You're a clown and an example for why "green energy" struggles to gain traction. You're among those who would rather focus on fantasies than deal with realities.
"Reality is a waste of my time" - CadesCove
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 15:45:36 GMT
What a bunch of Americants. My buggy is just fine the way it is. What about buggy whip manufacturers what will they do? This is the country that went from blowing rockets up to landing on the moon in 10 years. Whiney bunch. It will happen, it will take time. Private companies with gov assistance will overcome the "its too hard" people. And I bet the whiners here have never driven an electric car. They are a different beast.
Remember when there was a systematic push to put buggy whip manufacturers out of business and people had to be FORCED or "incentivized" into buying vehicles with internal combustion engines?
Yeah neither do I.
There's a clue in there for you and CadesCoves if ya feel like the 20 seconds it would take to figure it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 15:47:17 GMT
As people once argued about flying cars.
The only people who "once argued" about flying cars were stoned out of minds and eating munchies.
Between 1903 and 1969, scientists and other experts made hundreds of predictions in Popular Mechanics about what the future would hold.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 15:48:23 GMT
As people once argued about flying cars.
The only people who "once argued" about flying cars were stoned out of minds and eating munchies.
The scientific publications of the early 20th century - as well as science fiction stories, movies, comic strips and other pop culture - were sometimes overly optimistic about what was technologically feasible in the coming decades, as well as what companies and consumers would demand, or tolerate.
Personalized air travel, as predicted in 1950s issues of Popular Mechanics magazine. Flying cars still have not made it to America's skies (though a fender bender at 10,000 feet would be quite the horror).
Leave being stoned out of their minds and eating munchies to the professionals. Like me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 15:49:01 GMT
Bunch of little kids that think Tony Stark is a real person and Iron Man was a science documentary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 15:55:48 GMT
The only "plausible" reason for why someone hasn't built an arc reactor in a cave out of mechanical and electrical scraps is because those 8 mean old white men who run oil companies won't let them! Oh and of course it's the fault of all those meanies on the Internet that keep saying my faith in someone coming along who can build an arc reactor in a cave out of mechanical and electrical scraps is a fantasy! Pooh on those luddites!
I believe the science!
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Post by sokpupet on Jul 10, 2023 15:59:27 GMT
My argument is that you do not understand solar/wind and that it is stored. I was replying to your statement which I found incredibly incorrect. And ... how is it stored exactly?
Wind: “… What are wind turbine battery storage systems? These are battery systems that use chemical reactions to safely store energy produced from the wind turbines to be used later, such as when the wind isn't blowing, allowing for an uninterrupted power supply throughout the property. …” For solar: “… Yes, you can store solar power. All you need is a home battery. The simplest and best way for homeowners to solve solar power's energy glitch is to install a solar battery--a battery that stores energy from solar panels during the day, so you can still use solar generated electricity at night. It really is that simple. …”
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2023 16:04:02 GMT
Shh. Let's not talk about that.
Globalism is good. Globalism is right. Globalism is just.
They won't replace you, eh Que-Anon? Pretty racist to associate globalism with Jews. Where does that come from?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 10, 2023 16:04:30 GMT
This helps... but the real challenges with a real EV revolution are how do we get enough materials to make all these batteries and how do we get a grid capable of charging them all? Even with all power sources combined today, we do not have enough, and the left opposes Nuclear power and wants to destroy all carbon-based power. I love seeing all these folks talk about charging their cars while they sleep. Guess what isn't happening while you sleep? The sun isn't shining. While wind power does go up some at night... there is nowhere near enough wind energy to even think about powering cars. You are kidding, right? Google storage of solar/wind power. 🙄 Now google how much storage is "necessary."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 16:13:47 GMT
And ... how is it stored exactly?
Wind: “… What are wind turbine battery storage systems? These are battery systems that use chemical reactions to safely store energy produced from the wind turbines to be used later, such as when the wind isn't blowing, allowing for an uninterrupted power supply throughout the property. …” For solar: “… Yes, you can store solar power. All you need is a home battery. The simplest and best way for homeowners to solve solar power's energy glitch is to install a solar battery--a battery that stores energy from solar panels during the day, so you can still use solar generated electricity at night. It really is that simple. …” And what are those batteries made of, how are they constructed, how long do they last and where are most of the rare earth metals needed for their construction located? (Have you heard of these countries called Russia and China? You might have. They're in the news once in awhile.)
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 10, 2023 16:28:25 GMT
And ... how is it stored exactly?
Wind: “… What are wind turbine battery storage systems? These are battery systems that use chemical reactions to safely store energy produced from the wind turbines to be used later, such as when the wind isn't blowing, allowing for an uninterrupted power supply throughout the property. …” For solar: “… Yes, you can store solar power. All you need is a home battery. The simplest and best way for homeowners to solve solar power's energy glitch is to install a solar battery--a battery that stores energy from solar panels during the day, so you can still use solar generated electricity at night. It really is that simple. …” LOL, yes, batteries can store electricity from wind generators... so tell us, how much storage capacity is in existence today? Answer: Not very much Back to the first problem already mentioned... where do we get all these batteries? LOL, yes, batteries can store electricity from solar... so tell us, how much storage capacity is in existence today? Answer: Not very much Back to the first problem already mentioned... where do we get all these batteries?
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Post by sokpupet on Jul 10, 2023 16:57:20 GMT
Wind: “… What are wind turbine battery storage systems? These are battery systems that use chemical reactions to safely store energy produced from the wind turbines to be used later, such as when the wind isn't blowing, allowing for an uninterrupted power supply throughout the property. …” For solar: “… Yes, you can store solar power. All you need is a home battery. The simplest and best way for homeowners to solve solar power's energy glitch is to install a solar battery--a battery that stores energy from solar panels during the day, so you can still use solar generated electricity at night. It really is that simple. …” And what are those batteries made of, how are they constructed, how long do they last and where are most of the rare earth metals needed for their construction located? (Have you heard of these countries called Russia and China? You might have. They're in the news once in awhile.) I shouldn’t entertain your moving the goalposts but I love to research stuff. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/12/211206220020.htm
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Post by sokpupet on Jul 10, 2023 16:59:27 GMT
You are kidding, right? Google storage of solar/wind power. 🙄 Now google how much storage is "necessary." OK, I did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 17:09:00 GMT
And what are those batteries made of, how are they constructed, how long do they last and where are most of the rare earth metals needed for their construction located? (Have you heard of these countries called Russia and China? You might have. They're in the news once in awhile.) I shouldn’t entertain your moving the goalposts but I love to research stuff. Good for you on being willing to research the very topic I'm asking you to explain. Asking you to explain your bumper sticker statements isn't "moving the goalposts" sok. It's the same conversation. "Moving the goalposts" and "whataboutism!" simply being two ways modern leftists have been trained in recent years to cover for the shoddiness of their argumentation. Just saying "batteries" isn't an answer to the question "how are we going to store the energy." Discussing where we're going to get the batteries, and how we are going to overcome the logistical challenges, IS. Good for you for wanting and loving to do research. With sporadic results I must say from reading your posts since you arrived. Because wtf is this sok? A 2021 press release from the Marvel Cinematic Universe? The researchers plan to build on their breakthrough by testing it with larger batteries to see whether it can be applicable to technologies, such as electric vehicles and storage of renewable resources such as wind and solar.
Here's something on the subject a bit more recent ...
And it's still all full of "might" ... "possibly" ... "could" ...
Look sok. If you ignore everything else I've ever posted ... the problems we need to overcome in energy are not the right wingers who won't just accept the dreams, faith and "beliefs" left wingers peddle. It's the fact that left wingers keep trying to peddle dreams, faith in science and beliefs. Eroding their credibility in these discussions and alienating free thinkers.
Elon Musk has already shown that gaming this system (which is what EV production is) ... can be profitable enough to turn someone into the world's richest man. But to be a modern leftist I have to believe greed is the reason we haven't solved the energy equation yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2023 17:10:06 GMT
How many plastic computer cases for $80 does "green" energy produce?
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 10, 2023 17:11:02 GMT
Now google how much storage is "necessary." OK, I did. And? What did you learn. Answer: There is not anywhere near enough storage capacity today nor any feasible path to get there.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 10, 2023 17:26:34 GMT
"Hardly science fiction." Plausible possibilities. As people once argued about flying cars.
It is your belief in fantasies like these and others that has allowed the right wing to outflank your claims to be the arbiters of reality.
What a fucking caveman. Do you still travel by horse and buggy or steam train? 40 years after the first powered flight the sound barrier was broken. It didn't happen overnight but the level of advancement from Kitty Hawk to global jet travel was and is miraculous. Guess no advancements will ever be made again. Quit wasting my time. The electric vehicle powered by a battery was actually invented before a vehicle with an internal combustion engine. Technology developed and the gas powered vehicle won out on the free market. If it's so great then you don't need to force civilization to return to an older technology that was rejected.
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