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Post by Mercy for All on Jun 30, 2023 14:27:51 GMT
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 4, 2023 22:12:54 GMT
The question is usually posed by folks who have no interest in what Jesus says, Christian beliefs, or understanding either of them.
It is a quick little gotcha card played by folks who are ignorant of what the Bible says. They are trying to make some stupid point, that because Jesus did not explicitly says homosexuality is bad, then it must be OK!
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 4, 2023 22:34:06 GMT
The question is usually posed by folks who have no interest in what Jesus says, Christian beliefs, or understanding either of them. It is a quick little gotcha card played by folks who are ignorant of what the Bible says. They are trying to make some stupid point, that because Jesus did not explicitly says homosexuality is bad, then it must be OK! There's also the attempt to play Jesus off against Paul...like, "Paul was the true originator of Christianity" and created something Jesus never intended.
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Post by jasmine on Jul 5, 2023 4:01:17 GMT
The question is usually posed by folks who have no interest in what Jesus says, Christian beliefs, or understanding either of them. It is a quick little gotcha card played by folks who are ignorant of what the Bible says. They are trying to make some stupid point, that because Jesus did not explicitly says homosexuality is bad, then it must be OK! There's also the attempt to play Jesus off against Paul...like, "Paul was the true originator of Christianity" and created something Jesus never intended. Why would anyone think Paul started Christianity?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 5, 2023 11:48:07 GMT
There's also the attempt to play Jesus off against Paul...like, "Paul was the true originator of Christianity" and created something Jesus never intended. Why would anyone think Paul started Christianity? The claim is that Paul never met Jesus but extrapolated from him and create a new belief system that a Jesus never intended. They tend to appeal to the Gospels for what Jesus said and did but neglect the fact that many of Paul’s letters were written before the Gospels were.
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Post by jasmine on Jul 5, 2023 13:26:07 GMT
Why would anyone think Paul started Christianity? The claim is that Paul never met Jesus but extrapolated from him and create a new belief system that a Jesus never intended. They tend to appeal to the Gospels for what Jesus said and did but neglect the fact that many of Paul’s letters were written before the Gospels were. Interesting. I think the problem is that these people interpret the Bible from a humanist, non-believer point of view. They neglect the supernatural power of God. Most don’t even believe that God exists. Do they recognize that Paul started out persecuting Christians? And that it took a supernatural act by God to figuratively and literally open his eyes to Jesus?
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 13, 2023 6:31:17 GMT
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 13, 2023 13:23:31 GMT
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 13, 2023 19:22:37 GMT
Did Jesus ever have sex with a woman?
Did Jesus ever get married?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 13, 2023 19:39:59 GMT
Did Jesus ever have sex with a woman?
Did Jesus ever get married?
He may have. But there's no indication that he did. What's interesting is that as a recognized "rabbi," he would have overturned the expectations for rabbis, since rabbis were expected to be married. What's also intriguing is that the Bible says Jesus experienced every temptation common to man, so he certainly would have experience sexual temptation including same-sex attraction. That's a difficult concept for many.
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 13, 2023 20:09:22 GMT
Did Jesus ever have sex with a woman?
Did Jesus ever get married?
Do either of those have anything to do with being gay? No.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 14, 2023 4:17:42 GMT
Did Jesus ever have sex with a woman?
Did Jesus ever get married?
He may have. But there's no indication that he did. What's interesting is that as a recognized "rabbi," he would have overturned the expectations for rabbis, since rabbis were expected to be married. What's also intriguing is that the Bible says Jesus experienced every temptation common to man, so he certainly would have experience sexual temptation including same-sex attraction. That's a difficult concept for many.
So true. And some here can't seem to handle it. Or, they may just be in a state of denial.
I did find this via Google:
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 14, 2023 4:45:59 GMT
Did Jesus ever have sex with a woman?
Did Jesus ever get married?
He may have. But there's no indication that he did. What's interesting is that as a recognized "rabbi," he would have overturned the expectations for rabbis, since rabbis were expected to be married. What's also intriguing is that the Bible says Jesus experienced every temptation common to man, so he certainly would have experience sexual temptation including same-sex attraction. That's a difficult concept for many. Is homosexual temptation "common" to all men? No. I also think you are reading into that a bit too literally. The point is that Jesus lived a life of man, facing the same struggles any other person would during his life with temptations, not that he quite literally, like some check box, faced every single possible temptation that could ever possibly have existed. That seems a bit far fetched, don't you think?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 14, 2023 16:29:49 GMT
He may have. But there's no indication that he did. What's interesting is that as a recognized "rabbi," he would have overturned the expectations for rabbis, since rabbis were expected to be married. What's also intriguing is that the Bible says Jesus experienced every temptation common to man, so he certainly would have experience sexual temptation including same-sex attraction. That's a difficult concept for many.
So true. And some here can't seem to handle it. Or, they may just be in a state of denial.
I did find this via Google:
Meh, we’re just so hypersexualized in our culture that we want to see everything through a sexual lens and can’t imagine any kind of male intimacy without sex involved. To our detriment.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 14, 2023 16:32:12 GMT
He may have. But there's no indication that he did. What's interesting is that as a recognized "rabbi," he would have overturned the expectations for rabbis, since rabbis were expected to be married. What's also intriguing is that the Bible says Jesus experienced every temptation common to man, so he certainly would have experience sexual temptation including same-sex attraction. That's a difficult concept for many. Is homosexual temptation "common" to all men? No. I also think you are reading into that a bit too literally. The point is that Jesus lived a life of man, facing the same struggles any other person would during his life with temptations, not that he quite literally, like some check box, faced every single possible temptation that could ever possibly have existed. That seems a bit far fetched, don't you think? What I think is far fetched is that some people struggle with temptation that is “beyond God.” That would leave them with no hope. Whatever Jesus faced, given his status I think it’s certainly more than I have ever faced. I think our reticence to imagine Jesus facing homosexual temptations says more about us than about him.
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 14, 2023 16:55:05 GMT
Is homosexual temptation "common" to all men? No. I also think you are reading into that a bit too literally. The point is that Jesus lived a life of man, facing the same struggles any other person would during his life with temptations, not that he quite literally, like some check box, faced every single possible temptation that could ever possibly have existed. That seems a bit far fetched, don't you think? What I think is far fetched is that some people struggle with temptation that is “beyond God.” That would leave them with no hope. Whatever Jesus faced, given his status I think it’s certainly more than I have ever faced. I think our reticence to imagine Jesus facing homosexual temptations says more about us than about him. Does the scripture say Jesus faced more than anyone ever faced? I am not certain there, I am familiar with the language of his facing what others face, in that he faced temptation. What does your eagerness to try to say Jesus did face such homosexual temptations (outside of any clear scripture saying as much) say about you?
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 14, 2023 16:57:51 GMT
What I think is far fetched is that some people struggle with temptation that is “beyond God.” That would leave them with no hope. Whatever Jesus faced, given his status I think it’s certainly more than I have ever faced. I think our reticence to imagine Jesus facing homosexual temptations says more about us than about him. Does the scripture say Jesus faced more than anyone ever faced? I am not certain there, I am familiar with the language of his facing what others face, in that he faced temptation. What does your eagerness to try to say Jesus did face such homosexual temptations (outside of any clear scripture saying as much) say about you? I'm not "eager" to say Jesus face homosexual temptations, but it's hardly "uncommon." Did Jesus face more than anyone ever faced? Well consider the following: 1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. Who do think can "bear" more temptation...you or Jesus? On the other hand: Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Jesus was tempted in every way.
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 14, 2023 17:21:32 GMT
Does the scripture say Jesus faced more than anyone ever faced? I am not certain there, I am familiar with the language of his facing what others face, in that he faced temptation. What does your eagerness to try to say Jesus did face such homosexual temptations (outside of any clear scripture saying as much) say about you? I'm not "eager" to say Jesus face homosexual temptations, but it's hardly "uncommon." Did Jesus face more than anyone ever faced? Well consider the following: 1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. Who do think can "bear" more temptation...you or Jesus? On the other hand: Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Jesus was tempted in every way. You say you are not eager... but how are you any less eager than you claim we are all reticent? Of course it is uncommon. The average man is not tempted by homosexuality... because the average man isn't homosexual. I don't think it is a matter of who could bear more or not, but what did he have to bear. Clearly, just bearing a life free from any sin is a remarkable feat in itself, why would it have had to been some extraordinary amount? Hebrews 4:15, NASB version: "For we do not have a high priest who cannot * sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." He was tempted as we are.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 14, 2023 17:55:08 GMT
I'm not "eager" to say Jesus face homosexual temptations, but it's hardly "uncommon." Did Jesus face more than anyone ever faced? Well consider the following: 1 Corinthians 10:13 - No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it. Who do think can "bear" more temptation...you or Jesus? On the other hand: Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. Jesus was tempted in every way. You say you are not eager... but how are you any less eager than you claim we are all reticent? Of course it is uncommon. The average man is not tempted by homosexuality... because the average man isn't homosexual. I don't think it is a matter of who could bear more or not, but what did he have to bear. Clearly, just bearing a life free from any sin is a remarkable feat in itself, why would it have had to been some extraordinary amount? Hebrews 4:15, NASB version: "For we do not have a high priest who cannot * sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." He was tempted as we are. So homosexuals are kinda screwed then. Because not even Jesus has experienced that temptation.
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Post by Monster Man on Jul 14, 2023 18:22:54 GMT
You say you are not eager... but how are you any less eager than you claim we are all reticent? Of course it is uncommon. The average man is not tempted by homosexuality... because the average man isn't homosexual. I don't think it is a matter of who could bear more or not, but what did he have to bear. Clearly, just bearing a life free from any sin is a remarkable feat in itself, why would it have had to been some extraordinary amount? Hebrews 4:15, NASB version: "For we do not have a high priest who cannot * sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." He was tempted as we are. So homosexuals are kinda screwed then. Because not even Jesus has experienced that temptation. Why would they be screwed? You are a victim to your own continued faulty premise here that Jesus has to have had experienced literally ALL and EVERY possible type and iteration of sin... I guess all women are screwed too, because Jesus was never faced with the temptation to abort a child...
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