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Post by Odysseus on Sept 16, 2022 19:20:04 GMT
Seemed to me that Thor asked you a simple question that you ignored.
Why did you ignore his question? So, you don't have a point either. Got it.
You're the one igoring pointss, buddy.
Here is the question again:
Seemed to me that Thor asked you a simple question that you ignored.
Why did you ignore his question?
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 16, 2022 19:22:18 GMT
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Post by demos on Sept 16, 2022 19:41:22 GMT
You're the one igoring pointss, buddy.
Here is the question again:
Seemed to me that Thor asked you a simple question that you ignored.
Why did you ignore his question?
Thank god he has you to white knight him with more pointless jabber while he's logged off.
Question's been answered by the way. So do you have a point, or are you just reinforcing that the questions are bullshit.
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Post by thor on Sept 16, 2022 20:01:23 GMT
You mean questions like this: "You feel that the RUS army should have used UKR infrastructure for military communications (because that is what will become available the further they advanced)?"
When if you actually bothered to read something, you would see that's exactly what they intended to do because of how the system was designed.
You don't have any insight to offer because you don't know anything, and as proof of that, you ask stupid questions like the one above.
Hey, how about answering the questions Thor posed to you? Or are you determined to run away repeatedly?
Here they are again:
At the execution level, what else do you might think it would take?
Also, what are the differences between the Chechen Wars and Operation Bagration and the Vistula-Oder Operations as regards to large-scale maneuver operations?
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Post by demos on Sept 16, 2022 20:06:32 GMT
You accept Ulysses' surrender?
Weird, but ok.
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 16, 2022 20:42:16 GMT
You accept Ulysses' surrender? Weird, but ok.
I suspect that he was referring to your surrender.
N'est-ce pas?
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Post by limey² on Sept 16, 2022 21:59:24 GMT
They haven't yet fled from all of Ukraine, that's true. Once a force has advanced far enough from a bridge, with current weapons available to the Russians, that bridge is at low risk. Execpt the Ukrainians blew up those bridges. The same bridges they would need to sustain their own supply lines if they wished to advance beyond those rivers. Temporary bridges are quite straightforward. My Grandad helped put up dozens in Italy in WW2. Slightly more vulnerable to attack than concrete ones. |
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 16, 2022 22:37:54 GMT
Execpt the Ukrainians blew up those bridges. The same bridges they would need to sustain their own supply lines if they wished to advance beyond those rivers. Temporary bridges are quite straightforward. My Grandad helped put up dozens in Italy in WW2. Slightly more vulnerable to attack than concrete ones. So...they would have the same issues the Russians faced, maintaining supply lines using vulnerable infrastructure. See that wasn't so hard now was it? |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 16, 2022 22:46:43 GMT
Execpt the Ukrainians blew up those bridges. The same bridges they would need to sustain their own supply lines if they wished to advance beyond those rivers. Temporary bridges are quite straightforward. My Grandad helped put up dozens in Italy in WW2. Slightly more vulnerable to attack than concrete ones.
I don't know if my dad put up any bridges, but he also served (in the US Army Air Force as a Staff Sargeant) in Italy in WW2.
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Post by thor on Sept 17, 2022 7:00:51 GMT
Execpt the Ukrainians blew up those bridges. The same bridges they would need to sustain their own supply lines if they wished to advance beyond those rivers. Temporary bridges are quite straightforward. My Grandad helped put up dozens in Italy in WW2.Slightly more vulnerable to attack than concrete ones. What unit was that fucker in?  |
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Post by thor on Sept 17, 2022 7:02:37 GMT
You accept Ulysses' surrender? Weird, but ok. My bad. Are you going to keep running? Are you aware of the questions I posed to you> |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 17, 2022 10:07:19 GMT
You accept Ulysses' surrender? Weird, but ok. My bad. Are you going to keep running? Are you aware of the questions I posed to you>
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Post by johnnybgood on Sept 17, 2022 11:49:21 GMT
Do you think Russia knows we would have already gone through and grabbed control of the entire country. We would just have rebels to deal with. Good thing Russia has Nukes. Its pretty simple to see how powerful they really are. Ranked 2 or 3 last year, down to 15 after this war. China's looking for a better ally. Iran might be good.
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Post by limey² on Sept 17, 2022 14:27:38 GMT
Temporary bridges are quite straightforward. My Grandad helped put up dozens in Italy in WW2. Slightly more vulnerable to attack than concrete ones. So...they would have the same issues the Russians faced, maintaining supply lines using vulnerable infrastructure. See that wasn't so hard now was it? There're considerations of distance and time. Artillery loses accuracy, as do all weapons, with distance. Once a chokepoint like a bridge is no longer on the front line, its vulnerability reduces. At some point, the differential between Russian guns and Ukranian guns in range/accuracy means the bridge is safe, as Russian artillery has had to withdraw out of their own ability to attack. The window of vulnerability is open while the advance to that radius takes place. As Russia seems to be running out of very long range/accurate weapons beyond artillery, the bridges will be less of a weakness for Ukranian forces taking back territory from invaders. |
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Post by limey² on Sept 17, 2022 14:31:26 GMT
Temporary bridges are quite straightforward. My Grandad helped put up dozens in Italy in WW2.Slightly more vulnerable to attack than concrete ones. What unit was that fucker in? Royal Engineers bridging unit. Italy presented a but of a challenge. |
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 17, 2022 17:48:46 GMT
So...they would have the same issues the Russians faced, maintaining supply lines using vulnerable infrastructure. See that wasn't so hard now was it? There're considerations of distance and time. Artillery loses accuracy, as do all weapons, with distance. Once a chokepoint like a bridge is no longer on the front line, its vulnerability reduces. At some point, the differential between Russian guns and Ukranian guns in range/accuracy means the bridge is safe, as Russian artillery has had to withdraw out of their own ability to attack. The window of vulnerability is open while the advance to that radius takes place. As Russia seems to be running out of very long range/accurate weapons beyond artillery, the bridges will be less of a weakness for Ukranian forces taking back territory from invaders. You seem to be under the impression that the Russian military has basically fled and abandoned Ukraine. The reality is the front line has shifted in the south from one side of the river just to the other side. They've got to push the Russians back while maintaining an unstable supply line across a river that had it's bridges blown up. The Ukrainians are facing the exact same problem the Russians had on the other side of the river. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept. |
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Post by limey² on Sept 17, 2022 21:38:07 GMT
There're considerations of distance and time. Artillery loses accuracy, as do all weapons, with distance. Once a chokepoint like a bridge is no longer on the front line, its vulnerability reduces. At some point, the differential between Russian guns and Ukranian guns in range/accuracy means the bridge is safe, as Russian artillery has had to withdraw out of their own ability to attack. The window of vulnerability is open while the advance to that radius takes place. As Russia seems to be running out of very long range/accurate weapons beyond artillery, the bridges will be less of a weakness for Ukranian forces taking back territory from invaders. You seem to be under the impression that the Russian military has basically fled and abandoned Ukraine. The reality is the front line has shifted in the south from one side of the river just to the other side. They've got to push the Russians back while maintaining an unstable supply line across a river that had it's bridges blown up. The Ukrainians are facing the exact same problem the Russians had on the other side of the river. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept. That is obviously the case. The Russians have/had a disadvantage in that, quantifiably, "their" bridges are more vulnerable than "Ukranian" bridges. This disadvantage grows as Ukranian forces extend the area of their bridgeheads. Consider the Normandy landings. Whilst the Mulberry harbours were in artillery range, supply was more difficult for the Allies. As the Germans were pushed back, only air strikes and Vp1 attacks were possible, which were much less effective. |
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Post by thor on Sept 17, 2022 22:19:20 GMT
There're considerations of distance and time. Artillery loses accuracy, as do all weapons, with distance. Once a chokepoint like a bridge is no longer on the front line, its vulnerability reduces. At some point, the differential between Russian guns and Ukranian guns in range/accuracy means the bridge is safe, as Russian artillery has had to withdraw out of their own ability to attack. The window of vulnerability is open while the advance to that radius takes place. As Russia seems to be running out of very long range/accurate weapons beyond artillery, the bridges will be less of a weakness for Ukranian forces taking back territory from invaders. You seem to be under the impression that the Russian military has basically fled and abandoned Ukraine. The reality is the front line has shifted in the south from one side of the river just to the other side. They've got to push the Russians back while maintaining an unstable supply line across a river that had it's bridges blown up. The Ukrainians are facing the exact same problem the Russians had on the other side of the river. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept. The RUS aren't retreating, they're advancing in a different direction! |
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 17, 2022 22:41:20 GMT
You seem to be under the impression that the Russian military has basically fled and abandoned Ukraine. The reality is the front line has shifted in the south from one side of the river just to the other side. They've got to push the Russians back while maintaining an unstable supply line across a river that had it's bridges blown up. The Ukrainians are facing the exact same problem the Russians had on the other side of the river. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept. The RUS aren't retreating, they're advancing in a different direction! Obviously they retreated across the river NeanderTard. I don't know why you insist on showing off your brain damage. |
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 17, 2022 22:45:35 GMT
You seem to be under the impression that the Russian military has basically fled and abandoned Ukraine. The reality is the front line has shifted in the south from one side of the river just to the other side. They've got to push the Russians back while maintaining an unstable supply line across a river that had it's bridges blown up. The Ukrainians are facing the exact same problem the Russians had on the other side of the river. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept. That is obviously the case. The Russians have/had a disadvantage in that, quantifiably, "their" bridges are more vulnerable than "Ukranian" bridges. This disadvantage grows as Ukranian forces extend the area of their bridgeheads. Consider the Normandy landings. Whilst the Mulberry harbours were in artillery range, supply was more difficult for the Allies. As the Germans were pushed back, only air strikes and Vp1 attacks were possible, which were much less effective. And now they are going to have to push back the Russians when the Russians have a more secure supply chain while the Ukrainians will have to deal with a more precarious supply chain. |
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