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Post by archie on Aug 29, 2020 18:37:15 GMT
Yes Limey. If your life was in danger of serious injury or death, and especially by people against your country do what your military should do. Open fire. Orders were (I paraphrase) "lethal force is authorised where a threat to life exists, and there is no other way to prevent this". In a riot it's very difficult to pick out the actual guilty parties. Deliberately so in NI, where an aim of the Irish terrorists was provocation, to gain propaganda. They practised techniques intended to cause "innocent" people on their side to get arrested/injured, maybe killed, by legitimate Crown forces. We would have been doing their work for them by casually killing some kid throwing a petrol bomb. See Bloody Sunday and the repercussions of the Paratroopers killing numerous peaceful marchers. You always seem keen on mass killing by the State. The state is the victim. No, I am not keen on mass killing if possible. But when people and law enforcement are the victims, some seriously injured, a show of serious force as to what can happen to the perpetrators may change the minds of many and they will go home. If you let a bully pick on you constantly, they will not stop. If you and your cousin jump that bully and he has to get a few stiches and is missing some teeth. He will walk the other way when he sees you coming. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 29, 2020 19:10:55 GMT
Orders were (I paraphrase) "lethal force is authorised where a threat to life exists, and there is no other way to prevent this". In a riot it's very difficult to pick out the actual guilty parties. Deliberately so in NI, where an aim of the Irish terrorists was provocation, to gain propaganda. They practised techniques intended to cause "innocent" people on their side to get arrested/injured, maybe killed, by legitimate Crown forces. We would have been doing their work for them by casually killing some kid throwing a petrol bomb. See Bloody Sunday and the repercussions of the Paratroopers killing numerous peaceful marchers. You always seem keen on mass killing by the State. The state is the victim. No, I am not keen on mass killing if possible. But when people and law enforcement are the victims, some seriously injured, a show of serious force as to what can happen to the perpetrators may change the minds of many and they will go home. If you let a bully pick on you constantly, they will not stop. If you and your cousin jump that bully and he has to get a few stiches and is missing some teeth. He will walk the other way when he sees you coming.
We've seen ample examples this year of when "the state", as you put it, is the bully.
Such as police who murder or paralyze non-violent citizens.
A president who condones Gestapo-like tactics against non-violent protestors. Who hires people who have actually written that he needs to be "more fascist".
What planet are you on, again?
This is a democracy, Archie, not the gangster state you seem to want.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 20:25:16 GMT
I'm not a fan of that either but I think there is an element of it that is unavoidable given the situation. And it was also going on during the civil rights struggles of MLK's day as well. But look at the change that came in the wake of that movement. Even an imperfect protest can have beneficial results. The problem is that you are lumping the rioters in with legitimate protesters. You are downplaying, justifying, and outright in many cases defending the violent behavior. There is little difference between a rioter who is burning down a car lot and attacking anyone that might heaven forbid want to protect their property and a police officer abusing someone on the street. The only difference is that the officer has a state sanctioned license to loot and pillage while the rioter does not. Its not that I lump them together as much as I don't accept the actions of the radicals invalidating the overall point of the movement. |
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Post by jasmine on Aug 30, 2020 0:50:26 GMT
I'm talking specifically about rioters burning, looting, and committing violence against people, businesses, and neighborhoods. These are not legitimate protesters. I'm not a fan of that either but I think there is an element of it that is unavoidable given the situation. And it was also going on during the civil rights struggles of MLK's day as well. But look at the change that came in the wake of that movement. Even an imperfect protest can have beneficial results. You don’t like the looting and vandalism and physical harassment, but you seem to be trying to justify those things. Which is fine. Just remember, there wouldn’t be Kyle Rittenhouses out there on the streets if there weren’t these looters, vandals and thugs on the streets. These armed vigilantes are a natural progression to this ongoing violence. Blood will flow. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 30, 2020 2:29:30 GMT
I'm not a fan of that either but I think there is an element of it that is unavoidable given the situation. And it was also going on during the civil rights struggles of MLK's day as well. But look at the change that came in the wake of that movement. Even an imperfect protest can have beneficial results. You don’t like the looting and vandalism and physical harassment, but you seem to be trying to justify those things. Which is fine. Just remember, there wouldn’t be Kyle Rittenhouses out there on the streets if there weren’t these looters, vandals and thugs on the streets. These armed vigilantes are a natural progression to this ongoing violence. Blood will flow. Then these armed vigilantes should be willing to accept the consequences of their actions. Greg |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Aug 30, 2020 2:30:22 GMT
Lol. Democrat terrorists wanted to start a war on America, but they didn't want anyone to fight back. Buy guns and ammo. Oh look, Turd Blossom is back. Greg |
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Post by jasmine on Aug 30, 2020 2:35:21 GMT
You don’t like the looting and vandalism and physical harassment, but you seem to be trying to justify those things. Which is fine. Just remember, there wouldn’t be Kyle Rittenhouses out there on the streets if there weren’t these looters, vandals and thugs on the streets. These armed vigilantes are a natural progression to this ongoing violence. Blood will flow. Then these armed vigilantes should be willing to accept the consequences of their actions. Greg Sure. But let’s make it an even playing field. If politicians want to look away when street thugs loot and vandalize and attack police, they should look away when vigilantes fight back. Let the blood flow, and whoever is left, wins. |
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Post by archie on Aug 30, 2020 2:40:58 GMT
The state is the victim. No, I am not keen on mass killing if possible. But when people and law enforcement are the victims, some seriously injured, a show of serious force as to what can happen to the perpetrators may change the minds of many and they will go home. If you let a bully pick on you constantly, they will not stop. If you and your cousin jump that bully and he has to get a few stiches and is missing some teeth. He will walk the other way when he sees you coming.
We've seen ample examples this year of when "the state", as you put it, is the bully.
Such as police who murder or paralyze non-violent citizens.
A president who condones Gestapo-like tactics against non-violent protestors. Who hires people who have actually written that he needs to be "more fascist".
What planet are you on, again?
This is a democracy, Archie, not the gangster state you seem to want.
Number one, the guy that died with the cop kneeling on the back of his neck did not die because of the cop. He died from a drug overdose. A drug that can affect your breathing. He was yelling he couldn’t breathe when he was still standing and they were trying to push him in the car. Didn’t you see and hear that? No, because you are another BS liberal. And this other idiot shot in the back 7 times. Why do these criminals dare to fight the police? And I have to wonder what he was reaching in his car for. Let us wait a bit and see what happens this time. I have four family members that are police, and one FBI. I hear and know what the police put up with every day. Two of my family have been injured on duty, one of them three times. The FBI one is mostly in office, making sure terrorists don’t sneak into the country. Mostly computer work. Three New Haven police, one Waterbury cop. And I know a retired Chicago cop living here in Florida now. A real nice guy. |
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Post by Odysseus on Aug 30, 2020 4:51:20 GMT
I'm not a fan of that either but I think there is an element of it that is unavoidable given the situation. And it was also going on during the civil rights struggles of MLK's day as well. But look at the change that came in the wake of that movement. Even an imperfect protest can have beneficial results. You don’t like the looting and vandalism and physical harassment, but you seem to be trying to justify those things. Which is fine. Just remember, there wouldn’t be Kyle Rittenhouses out there on the streets if there weren’t these looters, vandals and thugs on the streets. These armed vigilantes are a natural progression to this ongoing violence. Blood will flow. You're an idiot.
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Post by atreyu on Aug 30, 2020 14:20:24 GMT
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Post by thor on Aug 30, 2020 17:25:39 GMT
Thoughts and prayers for Rittenhouse.
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Post by MojoJojo on Aug 30, 2020 18:46:03 GMT
The spasms of the alt-right as they see their grip on the Executive slip away.
Don't feel bad guys, the Race War! won't happen but at least you gave the rich a tax break.
Good job!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 12:48:38 GMT
When we discussed that subject, you lost, and it's happening again. Sorry that you are ignorant of that fact. As in that monument discussion, your illogical opinions are becoming painfully farcical. It's hard to watch. Is that how you remember it? I have a different recollection. I remember you getting shut down on point after point, over and over again. You dismissed everything which cut against your narrative, just like you dismiss the Cornerstone Speech and the various state ordinances and declarations. I don't recall a single poster finding your arguments persuasive. Unlike yours, my memory of that thread is based on reality. When you based your fiction on cherry picked and disjointed quotes, one speech by a powerless VP and a handful of paragraphs from a handful secession documents, rather than any real empirically sound information, your narrative imploded before I ever said a word. All I did was point out the wreckage of your theories.
No wonder you have to revert to the "let's have a show of hands" method. A hundred LNF lemmings in full agreement couldn't have saved your Northern tainted propaganda. And really, how many folks are persuaded to change their minds on any of these threads?
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