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Post by demos on Oct 7, 2024 16:32:22 GMT
This entire region is an albatross around our neck.
Just to drive home this previous point...
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Post by bama beau on Oct 7, 2024 16:44:47 GMT
This entire region is an albatross around our neck.
Just to drive home this previous point...
What is your current position re: the US support of the state of Israel given its Zionist proclivities? |
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Post by demos on Oct 7, 2024 17:20:17 GMT
What is your current position re: the US support of the state of Israel given its Zionist proclivities? Hasn't really changed much. We should be trying to prevent/avoid a wider conflict, and that involves telling Israel that we won't support actions which would do that, because it harms our interests.
Have to follow through on that though, and Republican presidents seem to be better at that than Democrat ones.
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Post by bama beau on Oct 8, 2024 3:25:58 GMT
What is your current position re: the US support of the state of Israel given its Zionist proclivities? Hasn't really changed much. We should be trying to prevent/avoid a wider conflict, and that involves telling Israel that we won't support actions which would do that, because it harms our interests.
Have to follow through on that though, and Republican presidents seem to be better at that than Democrat ones.
Partisan aspersions aside, do you then tend to placate and/or side with the Zionists? Or do you side with every one of their neighbors? Do the diminishing amount of remaining Palestinians have any claim to anything other than refugee status? |
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Post by demos on Oct 8, 2024 18:19:16 GMT
Partisan aspersions aside, do you then tend to placate and/or side with the Zionists? Or do you side with every one of their neighbors? As a great power and the regional hegemon, we have to balance the interests of our client states and allies (e.g., our NATO ally - Turkey - is pretty opposed to Israel's actions). We can't ignore that. That's one reason why this region is an albatross around our neck. Our freedom of action is limited by these constraints. Personally? I think a two-state solution is the only way forward on that. Currently, Israel has no plan for what to do with Gaza. |
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Post by demos on Oct 8, 2024 20:18:58 GMT
That doesn't sound like a "limited" operation.
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 8, 2024 20:37:40 GMT
What is your current position re: the US support of the state of Israel given its Zionist proclivities? Hasn't really changed much. We should be trying to prevent/avoid a wider conflict, and that involves telling Israel that we won't support actions which would do that, because it harms our interests.
Have to follow through on that though, and Republican presidents seem to be better at that than Democrat ones.
We can prevent/avoid a wider conflict by threatening anyone with force that would want to make this a wider conflict. Israel is not the cause of bad actors doing bad things because they are defending themselves. The bad actors are. You want to give them power over our decisions and doing what is right. You want to cower to the bullies and the bad people in the world. |
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Post by thor on Oct 9, 2024 12:27:38 GMT
Hasn't really changed much. We should be trying to prevent/avoid a wider conflict, and that involves telling Israel that we won't support actions which would do that, because it harms our interests.
Have to follow through on that though, and Republican presidents seem to be better at that than Democrat ones.
We can prevent/avoid a wider conflict by threatening anyone with force that would want to make this a wider conflict. Israel is not the cause of bad actors doing bad things because they are defending themselves. The bad actors are. You want to give them power over our decisions and doing what is right. You want to cower to the bullies and the bad people in the world. Will today be the day Jar-Jar's balls drop and he heads over to join the IDF? |
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Post by demos on Oct 9, 2024 16:39:15 GMT
Also:
This would violate the Constitution and the War Powers Act.
And then there's this guy: Source
When does that get brought to Congress?
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 10, 2024 0:16:33 GMT
We can prevent/avoid a wider conflict by threatening anyone with force that would want to make this a wider conflict. Israel is not the cause of bad actors doing bad things because they are defending themselves. The bad actors are. You want to give them power over our decisions and doing what is right. You want to cower to the bullies and the bad people in the world. Will today be the day Jar-Jar's balls drop and he heads over to join the IDF? You spend a crazy amount of time with my balls in your brain. |
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Post by demos on Oct 10, 2024 15:35:23 GMT
Also, this report comes from Israeli tv network, so take that into consideration, but when you consider Iran has also been providing missiles to Yemen, its possible:
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Post by petep on Oct 10, 2024 17:24:48 GMT
Also, this report comes from Israeli tv network, so take that into consideration, but when you consider Iran has also been providing missiles to Yemen, its possible:
What an incredible mess. |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 16:34:39 GMT
A couple of observations:
First, this is illegal. The War Powers Act states: "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." And, "For purposes of this chapter, the term 'introduction of United States Armed Forces' includes the assignment of members of such armed forces to command, coordinate, participate in the movement of, or accompany the regular or irregular military forces of any foreign country or government when such military forces are engaged, or there exists an imminent threat that such forces will become engaged, in hostilities."
Second, this would suggest that Israel's missile defenses have not held up as well as advertised.
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 14, 2024 20:18:30 GMT
A couple of observations:
First, this is illegal. The War Powers Act states: "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces." And, "For purposes of this chapter, the term 'introduction of United States Armed Forces' includes the assignment of members of such armed forces to command, coordinate, participate in the movement of, or accompany the regular or irregular military forces of any foreign country or government when such military forces are engaged, or there exists an imminent threat that such forces will become engaged, in hostilities."
Second, this would suggest that Israel's missile defenses have not held up as well as advertised.
LOL, you are pushing this nonsense big time today. First, the War Powers Act itself is only followed by Presidents in a grey area not out of any formal obligation as it is itself considered unconstitutional... Second, deploying troops to help run a missile defense is not entering them into a direct combat role... How well were their missile defenses advertised that you think they are not holding up to? Looks like this will be sent to bolster their defenses figuring Iran just launched some 200 ballistic missiles at them. I am not sure where you get that Israel's current number of batteries to intercept ballistic missiles was advertised at stopping that many. |
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Post by demos on Oct 14, 2024 20:30:45 GMT
First, the War Powers Act itself is only followed by Presidents in a grey area not out of any formal obligation as it is itself considered unconstitutional... Observance in the breach doesn't mean what they're doing is legal or constitutional. In some cases, they're not even operating in the gray areas by providing reports. For example, the Biden administration still hasn't reported to Congress about operations in Yemen.
We don't even need to rely on the War Powers Act. Just look at the precedents set by our Founders. What's going on isn't constitutional. And it's not just this.
Their success rate probably isn't 90 percent. And the addition of the THAAD would suggest they've probably used up a lot of their munitions.
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 14, 2024 20:46:38 GMT
First, the War Powers Act itself is only followed by Presidents in a grey area not out of any formal obligation as it is itself considered unconstitutional... Observance in the breach doesn't mean what they're doing is legal or constitutional. In some cases, they're not even operating in the gray areas by providing reports. For example, the Biden administration still hasn't reported to Congress about operations in Yemen.
We don't even need to rely on the War Powers Act. Just look at the precedents set by our Founders. What's going on isn't constitutional. And it's not just this.
Their success rate probably isn't 90 percent. And the addition of the THAAD would suggest they've probably used up a lot of their munitions.
Again, you are just pissing into the wind on this. These things are not so obviously illegal... or, it wouldn't continually be done by every administration. You are the coward who wants to leave Israel for themselves to placate to radical muslims in the region. So, you are more Kamala than I am fool. I am not interested in what you probably thing their success rate is or isn't, you implied something about Israel that... you can't back up. Big surprise there. Now you are on to another claim, that they used up a lot of munitions. Maybe, maybe not. The more plausible reason is that they don't have enough batteries to deal with the amount of ballistic missiles being lobbed at them when Iran is firing off some 200 at a time. Their missile defense can only be as successful as it has the capacity to be. |
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