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Post by Odysseus on May 17, 2022 4:54:36 GMT
Certainly a case could be made that racism and extreme conservatism are mental illnesses.
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Post by thor on May 17, 2022 5:27:10 GMT
Not sure how you can be a "paleo"con and not know the history of your own country. lol oh well He has been schooled repeatedly on the Civil War and other topics, and keeps coming back for more. It's like kicking a retarded puppy.
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Post by Lomelis on May 17, 2022 5:52:19 GMT
Clearly the answer is to scream racist at everyone.
That won't back fire in November. Not at all
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Post by johnnybgood on May 17, 2022 10:26:44 GMT
Clearly the answer is to scream racist at everyone. That won't back fire in November. Not at all You never heard, minorities can't be racist. Only a majority can. Not true, but racism against a majority wont hurt them. That and history is why its ignored.
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Post by petep on May 17, 2022 11:06:38 GMT
Let’s try this one
Nothing. White supremacists don’t represent all white people just like Hispanic and black gang members don’t represent all Hispanic and black people.
Let the police go after the bad guys no matter what color they are.
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Post by thecitizen on May 17, 2022 12:41:42 GMT
Clearly the answer is to scream racist at everyone. That won't back fire in November. Not at all You never heard, minorities can't be racist. Only a majority can. Not true, but racism against a majority wont hurt them. That and history is why its ignored. What is racism?
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Post by Paleocon on May 17, 2022 14:43:14 GMT
Not sure how you can be a "paleo"con and not know the history of your own country. lol oh well I can run circles around you on our history, my friend. Perhaps your own ignorance is preventing you from understanding the truth that I am offering to you.
But, feel free to attempt to show where I'm wrong on history. You'll get crushed if you try, but it might be fun to practice on the likes of you.
I'll be waiting.
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Post by Paleocon on May 17, 2022 14:46:55 GMT
Not sure how you can be a "paleo"con and not know the history of your own country. lol oh well He has been schooled repeatedly on the Civil War and other topics, and keeps coming back for more. It's like kicking a retarded puppy. You're too stupid to even join the conversation in most cases, sphincthor. Don't mislead poor RD into thinking that you have brains; we can dispel that pretty rapidly.
RD, thor and his ignorant liberal peers repeat the shallow talking points that pass for "history" in their world. I kick their collective asses all over this forum by bringing historical reality to them and they don't like it.
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Post by Paleocon on May 17, 2022 14:54:40 GMT
I agree that we need to give more attention to the mental health issues, which, as you say, seem to be prevalent in so many of these cases.
And since you mentioned "certain types of guns", I took that as an opening to share a few facts for those tempted to start peddling gun control as a solution:
1) Statistically, rifles (of all types) are used less often than bare fists, knives or blunt objects to commit murder each year.
2) There are 10 million+ AR-15 style rifles in the U.S. and and an extremely small number are used to kill someone.
3) Handguns are the primary tool of murderers.
4) 50% of all murders are committed by young to middle aged black males who make up 2-3% of the population.
An old classic political cartoon tells the truth about homicide weapons:
Yes, that is correct. However, knives, blunt objects, hands, feet, and fists aren't used in these mass murders. That's the issue where gun laws a brought up the most. Some Children getting killed in a gang gunfight does not get brought up. Mass murders like this one are. I'm not a big "take away guns" person, but removing certain guns I don't think violates any rights. 18 Mass shootings could be prevented. Just like if 5 out of 100,000 illegal immigrants commit murder, 5 murders could have been prevented. Prevent what we can. Mass Murders get way more attention. One gang member could kill just as many in a month that died in Buffalo in 1min. However, nobody cares. If he had a handgun, maybe 3 would have died. Mass murders are committed by the mentally ill getting ahold of these guns. Even if it was racial, it's a mental issue. You have to have something wrong with you to be that racist. Some of the most racist people are just ignorant, but not mentally ill to kill. Sorry, but basing decisions on our natural and Constitutional rights on how much cable news coverage an event gets is pretty stupid. And you're talking about a ban on a gun that is almost never used to commit murder. It's like banning Corvettes and thinking that car wrecks will drop significantly.
The Second Amendment was specifically tailored to allow the individual right to keep and bear a modern military rifle as a defense against the tyranny of the government.
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Post by Fiddler on May 17, 2022 15:06:06 GMT
"and go shoot some random Black folks in a grocery store." FIFY ..
Nothing idiotic about it.. That's what the shooter said. ..
Tucker Carlson has ranted about the 'Great Replacement Theory" hundreds of times on his program .. he's one of dozens of pundits and GOP leadership that have embraced this stupidity.. It is now a mainstream Republican talking point.. yet, surprisingly, you believe this 18 year old came up with it on his own in a vacuum..
No, I believe you are ignorantly trying to link talk about something to violent actions. Tucker Carlson didn’t tell anyone to go buy a gun and shoot random people. You do so purely for partisan gain and ignore it when convenient. I love it when you paint yourself into a corner ... saves me a lot of work.
You're suggesting that despite what Goebbels says.. repeating something hundreds of times, as in hyper-douchebag Carlson's case, along with the same vile message being echoed thousands of times by dozens of other enemies of decency, has no effect on people.. In case you don't know it.. people are extremely gullible.. especially right-wingers and religious people .. right-wing and religion often going hand in hand. Are people influence by the words from the bible beaters they endure on Sundays?
And you are lying to yourself .. again .. if you think that doesn't happen and that the perpetrators aren't aware of the influence they have over the weak minded ..
Listen to one of your own regret his attempts to radicalize .. Glenn Beck.
“I remember it as an awful lot of fun and that I made an awful lot of mistakes, and I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language,” Beck said. “I think I played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart.” He added: “I didn’t realize how really fragile the people were. I thought we were kind of more in it together.”
Carlson (and the others) doesn't have to say "go buy a gun and shoot random people" word for word. He (they) painted a false picture of desperation.. of the certain demise of 'White People' in America. They insist that something must be done about it or else. A growing segment of that audience.. Dylann Roof, Patrick Crusius, Payton Gendron .. . . radicalized by self-serving rhetorical terrorists.. chooses to act
Want proof that it's easy to link talk with violent actions . ? Let's go straight to the top.
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Post by Paleocon on May 17, 2022 15:15:00 GMT
No, I believe you are ignorantly trying to link talk about something to violent actions. Tucker Carlson didn’t tell anyone to go buy a gun and shoot random people. You do so purely for partisan gain and ignore it when convenient. I love it when you paint yourself into a corner ... saves me a lot of work.
You're suggesting that despite what Goebbels says.. repeating something hundreds of times, as in hyper-douchebag Carlson's case, along with the same vile message being echoed thousands of times by dozens of other enemies of decency, has no effect on people.. In case you don't know it.. people are extremely gullible.. especially right-wingers and religious people .. right-wing and religion often going hand in hand. Are people influence by the words from the bible beaters they endure on Sundays?
And you are lying to yourself .. again .. if you think that doesn't happen and that the perpetrators aren't aware of the influence they have over the weak minded ..
Listen to one of your own regret his attempts to radicalize .. Glenn Beck.
“I remember it as an awful lot of fun and that I made an awful lot of mistakes, and I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language,” Beck said. “I think I played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart.” He added: “I didn’t realize how really fragile the people were. I thought we were kind of more in it together.”
Carlson (and the others) doesn't have to say "go buy a gun and shoot random people" word for word. He (they) painted a false picture of desperation.. of the certain demise of 'White People' in America. They insist that something must be done about it or else. A growing segment of that audience.. Dylann Roof, Patrick Crusius, Payton Gendron .. . . radicalized by self-serving rhetorical terrorists.. chooses to act
Want proof that it's easy to link talk with violent actions . ? Let's go straight to the top. You've got to be the most ignorant poster that I've encountered in decades of participating on these political discussion forums.
Long before Tucker Carlson said anything, who was touting the ascendancy of the political left because of demographic changes in this country? Democrats. Liberals.
YOU and your ilk were spreading that "whites will be in the minority" message long before any of the recent discussions and long before Carlson discussed.
You thought we wouldn't remember that, didn't you? Your f*cked up narrative counts on folks not remembering the liberal perversions of the past.
Perhaps it was the liberal message of "we're gonna take over with demographic changes" is the actual source of this Buffalo nutjob's inspiration.
Oops.
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Post by Monster Man on May 17, 2022 15:55:42 GMT
You're suggesting that despite what Goebbels says.. No, what I said was: "You do so purely for partisan gain and ignore it when convenient." You don't believe anything you are saying. It is just a partisan club you wield when convenient.
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Post by petep on May 17, 2022 16:11:44 GMT
"On the political compass I fall in the mildmoderate authoritarian left category, and I would prefer to be called a populist."
Now that the truth and facts are coming out, perhaps the dems will come out and say we need to label the new number one threat to be anyone with a leftist ideology??? How long should we hold our collective breath?
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Post by archie on May 17, 2022 16:29:37 GMT
I did not have to go. The one time I was drafted, I was deferred. Why? Because without me doing what I was doing, the military might be short of ammunition. No, I wasn’t making ammunition. I was building the machines that made the ammunition. How many of you here can also machine every part of that machine and put it together and it works. We made more than six of those machines. M1 rifle ammunition. And my shooting sports train me to do it right. And after a thousand times, it is all just an automatic few seconds to get done right. So far, I have not had to do it to save mine or someone else’s life. I hope I never have to. But it would be so automatic it would be done even before I knew it. Somehow you think you were the only soldier. I have quite a few that are friends that also ride motorcycles. They don’t talk much about what they had to do. No you didn't. But you could have...after all, the war is in keeping with your stated ideology Cupcake. You failed to show up. And your excuse is bullshit. Men were occasionally deferred in larger wars for working in the defense industry, but they could, like my dad did, volunteer. Like a Snowflake, you kept a cushy job that required MINIMAL skills, that is, you were quite easily replaceable, and someone went in your place.*** Face it. You chickened out. And we both know it. ***M-1 Rifle ammo? LMFAO! Shure Thor. Whatever you say. Without our minimal skills Machinists and tool makers and engineers, you would still be riding horses and have muzzle loading guns. Forget about your cars, what the hell does GM or other companies know. Where did they get their equipment? Who made it, who kept it running? Viet Nam was a waste of time. With my minimal skills it would have only lasted a week or two. Nuke them border to boarder. And if that happened, and we had a real president and he told Russia to knock it off. You can bet your ass they would.
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Post by archie on May 17, 2022 17:08:26 GMT
I did not have to go. The one time I was drafted, I was deferred. Why? Because without me doing what I was doing, the military might be short of ammunition. No, I wasn’t making ammunition. I was building the machines that made the ammunition. How many of you here can also machine every part of that machine and put it together and it works. We made more than six of those machines. M1 rifle ammunition. And my shooting sports train me to do it right. And after a thousand times, it is all just an automatic few seconds to get done right. So far, I have not had to do it to save mine or someone else’s life. I hope I never have to. But it would be so automatic it would be done even before I knew it. Somehow you think you were the only soldier. I have quite a few that are friends that also ride motorcycles. They don’t talk much about what they had to do. No you didn't. But you could have...after all, the war is in keeping with your stated ideology Cupcake. You failed to show up. And your excuse is bullshit. Men were occasionally deferred in larger wars for working in the defense industry, but they could, like my dad did, volunteer. Like a Snowflake, you kept a cushy job that required MINIMAL skills, that is, you were quite easily replaceable, and someone went in your place.*** Face it. You chickened out. And we both know it. ***M-1 Rifle ammo? LMFAO! Thor the only war I would fight for would be to save my country. And that may be coming with the communist democrat party and its followers.
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Post by archie on May 17, 2022 17:10:02 GMT
I did not have to go. The one time I was drafted, I was deferred. Why? Because without me doing what I was doing, the military might be short of ammunition. No, I wasn’t making ammunition. I was building the machines that made the ammunition. How many of you here can also machine every part of that machine and put it together and it works. We made more than six of those machines. M1 rifle ammunition. And my shooting sports train me to do it right. And after a thousand times, it is all just an automatic few seconds to get done right. So far, I have not had to do it to save mine or someone else’s life. I hope I never have to. But it would be so automatic it would be done even before I knew it. Somehow you think you were the only soldier. I have quite a few that are friends that also ride motorcycles. They don’t talk much about what they had to do. No you didn't. But you could have...after all, the war is in keeping with your stated ideology Cupcake. You failed to show up. And your excuse is bullshit. Men were occasionally deferred in larger wars for working in the defense industry, but they could, like my dad did, volunteer. Like a Snowflake, you kept a cushy job that required MINIMAL skills, that is, you were quite easily replaceable, and someone went in your place.*** Face it. You chickened out. And we both know it. ***M-1 Rifle ammo? LMFAO! Another one of the sports I did well in. Not quite as good as my brother. He was a state champion. Chickens at 50 yards piglets at 100 yards, turkeys at 150 yards, and the rams at 200 yards. Ten each, so who hits and knocks down the most? I use a S&W 44 magnum revolver. Think you could beat me Thor. No not with your rifle. Silhouette Target Shooting | An NRA Shooting Sports Journal www.ssusa.org/content/silhouette-target-shootingMay 24, 2018 · In any event, the first silhouette match that used steel targets instead of livestock was held in Mexico City in 1948. Twenty years later, the Tucson Rifle Club introduced silhouette
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Post by thor on May 17, 2022 17:22:30 GMT
I love it when you paint yourself into a corner ... saves me a lot of work.
You're suggesting that despite what Goebbels says.. repeating something hundreds of times, as in hyper-douchebag Carlson's case, along with the same vile message being echoed thousands of times by dozens of other enemies of decency, has no effect on people.. In case you don't know it.. people are extremely gullible.. especially right-wingers and religious people .. right-wing and religion often going hand in hand. Are people influence by the words from the bible beaters they endure on Sundays?
And you are lying to yourself .. again .. if you think that doesn't happen and that the perpetrators aren't aware of the influence they have over the weak minded ..
Listen to one of your own regret his attempts to radicalize .. Glenn Beck.
“I remember it as an awful lot of fun and that I made an awful lot of mistakes, and I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language,” Beck said. “I think I played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart.” He added: “I didn’t realize how really fragile the people were. I thought we were kind of more in it together.”
Carlson (and the others) doesn't have to say "go buy a gun and shoot random people" word for word. He (they) painted a false picture of desperation.. of the certain demise of 'White People' in America. They insist that something must be done about it or else. A growing segment of that audience.. Dylann Roof, Patrick Crusius, Payton Gendron .. . . radicalized by self-serving rhetorical terrorists.. chooses to act
Want proof that it's easy to link talk with violent actions . ? Let's go straight to the top. You've got to be the most ignorant poster that I've encountered in decades of participating on these political discussion forums.
Long before Tucker Carlson said anything, who was touting the ascendancy of the political left because of demographic changes in this country? Democrats. Liberals.
YOU and your ilk were spreading that "whites will be in the minority" message long before any of the recent discussions and long before Carlson discussed.
You thought we wouldn't remember that, didn't you? Your f*cked up narrative counts on folks not remembering the liberal perversions of the past.
Perhaps it was the liberal message of "we're gonna take over with demographic changes" is the actual source of this Buffalo nutjob's inspiration.
Oops.
Poor Paleocuck. Every Klansman today is a Conservative. No exceptions.
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Post by thor on May 17, 2022 17:24:44 GMT
No you didn't. But you could have...after all, the war is in keeping with your stated ideology Cupcake. You failed to show up. And your excuse is bullshit. Men were occasionally deferred in larger wars for working in the defense industry, but they could, like my dad did, volunteer. Like a Snowflake, you kept a cushy job that required MINIMAL skills, that is, you were quite easily replaceable, and someone went in your place.*** Face it. You chickened out. And we both know it. ***M-1 Rifle ammo? LMFAO! Thor the only war I would fight for would be to save my country. And that may be coming with the communist democrat party and its followers. Come and take them, buddy.
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Post by slefty on May 17, 2022 17:24:54 GMT
With my minimal skills it would have only lasted a week or two. Nuke them border to boarder. Then how would you have kept the nuclear radiation fallout from entering China, Laos, Cambodia, and then crossing the Pacific and landing in the US?
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Post by thor on May 17, 2022 18:12:54 GMT
I agree that they believed self-defense was a natural right. I disagree that this means the Second Amendment guarantees a personal right in the same exact vein as speech, reasonable search, right to confront accusers, right to trial by jury, etc. If that's what they meant, I would expect the Second Amendment to read something like: Congress shall make no law infringing the right to keep and bear arms. Nevertheless, even if that was the Second Amendment, the state would be able to pass gun control under the "strict scrutiny" standard of constitutional interpretation. You missed the fact that the Second Amendment is broader than just laws that Congress might pass. By the language of the amendment, it applies across the board to federal, state and local governments. It acknowledged the right of the people to keep and bear arms, this outlawing interference from the Congress, states and local entities.
THAT'S how important this right is and was to the Founders. It was the acknowledgement of a natural right that the British tried to take away during the Revolutionary War. The British incursion that led to the confrontations at Lexington and Concord was intended to seize arms and munitions, and it was the militia armed with their own personal weapons that drove the British back to Boston.
And yet you actually think that the people who experienced this British terrorism did not intend that citizens have the full right to own and carry modern firearms? The Revolution was about the right to keep and bear arms? You dumb motherfucker.
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