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Post by archie on May 15, 2022 22:31:56 GMT
Yeah, in America, we just can't control gun crimes like other countries. I guess we are not so great after all. And here in America, it happens too. 1. Released to Kill Again: An Analysis of Paroled Murderers Who … www.researchgate.net/publication/308750475... 466 paroled murderers killed again after release W e have 478 in our database alone! Of the 419 from previous studies falling in the time period of The current study will examine the characteristics of over 400 murderers in the United States who were convicted of murder, subsequently paroled or released from prison, and then murdered again while on parole or release. Key findings will include an analysis of the length of time from parole to murder as well as a general profile of the reoffenders. Using the parole-to-murder times to inform decisions regarding the hiring of ex-offenders will be discussed.
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Post by Odysseus on May 15, 2022 22:38:04 GMT
Perhaps something should have been done to rein him in then?
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Post by petep on May 15, 2022 23:18:00 GMT
Blame the person who did it. Ask why no one could defend against him. Except an off duty officer presumably armed
Ask why these same questions are not asked every Monday when far far far more are killed in every city every weekend by gangs.
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Post by Monster Man on May 16, 2022 2:10:41 GMT
That’s not my plan. It’s the Democrats talking point. That if we don’t support whatever gun control law you are pushing them the ONLY possible alternative must be nothing *eye roll* So what is the GOP plan I don't speak for the GOP.
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Post by Odysseus on May 16, 2022 2:13:13 GMT
Blame the person who did it. Ask why no one could defend against him. Except an off duty officer presumably armed.
If you had bothered to read the reports, other armed police officers were not able to bring down the shooter because the shooter was wearing full body armor.
I imgagine from this that head shots are not allowed for LEO's around there.
Try to do better.
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Post by Monster Man on May 16, 2022 2:31:58 GMT
Blame the person who did it. Ask why no one could defend against him. Except an off duty officer presumably armed.
If you had bothered to read the reports, other armed police officers were not able to bring down the shooter because the shooter was wearing full body armor.
I imgagine from this that head shots are not allowed for LEO's around there.
Try to do better.
The reports I read said he walked outside with a gun to his own head. Police did not shoot him because they were trying to talk him into not shooting himself. He put the weapon down and then they tackled him. And yes, police are allowed to take head shots. At the point deadly force is used... it is just that deadly force. You are shooting to stop the threat. Most training focuses on the chest because it is the largest mass and easier to hit, also full of vital body organs. Many train to take several shots to the chest and then to the head if necessary.
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Post by Odysseus on May 16, 2022 2:40:23 GMT
If you had bothered to read the reports, other armed police officers were not able to bring down the shooter because the shooter was wearing full body armor.
I imgagine from this that head shots are not allowed for LEO's around there.
Try to do better.
The reports I read said he walked outside with a gun to his own head. Police did not shoot him because they were trying to talk him into not shooting himself. He put the weapon down and then they tackled him. And yes, police are allowed to take head shots. At the point deadly force is used... it is just that deadly force. You are shooting to stop the threat. Most training focuses on the chest because it is the largest mass and easier to hit, also full of vital body organs. Many train to take several shots to the chest and then to the head if necessary.
OK, that makes some sense.
But what also makes sense is that even if they tried to shoot him, in the chest, for example, their shots would not have been very effective.
I believe he killed one guy who may have tried to shoot him - a guard or off-duty armed individual. IDK. At a certain point I don't much care what happens to Mr. Gendron, as long as he is locked up for the rest of his sorry life.
Was he a personal friend of yours?
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Post by Fiddler on May 16, 2022 3:16:49 GMT
Ask why no one could defend against him. Except an off duty officer presumably armed You're suggesting that the deceased 77 year old lady who operated a food pantry should have thought to arm herself..?..
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Post by oldtrapper on May 16, 2022 4:04:14 GMT
Blame the person who did it. Ask why no one could defend against him. Except an off duty officer presumably armed Ask why these same questions are not asked every Monday when far far far more are killed in every city every weekend by gangs. 200 mass killings this year mostly with legally obtained weapons from States with lax gun laws, and poor fools like you oppose better regulations, and more training for cops.
It is not a question of what to do, it is having the will to do it.
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Post by johnnybgood on May 16, 2022 4:14:45 GMT
Im not against doing something about certain types of guns I guess.
But if you notice, many of these stories have mental issues or hate being noticed before the person committed the crime. Maybe we should pay more attention to these clues.
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Post by thor on May 16, 2022 4:54:56 GMT
Yeah, in America, we just can't control gun crimes like other countries. I guess we are not so great after all. You are exactly right. And there was no armed citizen there trained to self-defense. That cop was killed shooting at the killer. The killer was wearing armor. Me and my kind are trained to what is called Mozambique shooting. In case the killer is on drugs or wearing a bullet proof vest, no matter what, you fire the first two rounds at the heart section, and the third round between the eyes. That works. And it only takes a second. And guess what the democrat party is going to blame. The gun. Not the insane SOB that is still alive. And you and your kind of course will agree. Archie bores us with tales of shooting stationary targets not firing back. Note Bene: Archie failed to show up for a war he supported where he would have had the opportunity to volunteer for: Infantry, Combat, Vietnam. Wassmatta, Arch? Why the No-Show?
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Post by thecitizen on May 16, 2022 10:17:48 GMT
Yeah, in America, we just can't control gun crimes like other countries. I guess we are not so great after all. And here in America, it happens too. 1. Released to Kill Again: An Analysis of Paroled Murderers Who … www.researchgate.net/publication/308750475... 466 paroled murderers killed again after release W e have 478 in our database alone! Of the 419 from previous studies falling in the time period of The current study will examine the characteristics of over 400 murderers in the United States who were convicted of murder, subsequently paroled or released from prison, and then murdered again while on parole or release. Key findings will include an analysis of the length of time from parole to murder as well as a general profile of the reoffenders. Using the parole-to-murder times to inform decisions regarding the hiring of ex-offenders will be discussed. Yeah, probably killed with guns that are so easy to get in this country. That’s your America
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Post by thecitizen on May 16, 2022 10:41:23 GMT
I don't speak for the GOP. What is your plan
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Post by Paleocon on May 16, 2022 13:43:37 GMT
Im not against doing something about certain types of guns I guess. But if you notice, many of these stories have mental issues or hate being noticed before the person committed the crime. Maybe we should pay more attention to these clues. I agree that we need to give more attention to the mental health issues, which, as you say, seem to be prevalent in so many of these cases.
And since you mentioned "certain types of guns", I took that as an opening to share a few facts for those tempted to start peddling gun control as a solution:
1) Statistically, rifles (of all types) are used less often than bare fists, knives or blunt objects to commit murder each year.
2) There are 10 million+ AR-15 style rifles in the U.S. and and an extremely small number are used to kill someone.
3) Handguns are the primary tool of murderers.
4) 50% of all murders are committed by young to middle aged black males who make up 2-3% of the population.
An old classic political cartoon tells the truth about homicide weapons:
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Post by thecitizen on May 16, 2022 14:53:14 GMT
Im not against doing something about certain types of guns I guess. But if you notice, many of these stories have mental issues or hate being noticed before the person committed the crime. Maybe we should pay more attention to these clues. I agree that we need to give more attention to the mental health issues, which, as you say, seem to be prevalent in so many of these cases.
And since you mentioned "certain types of guns", I took that as an opening to share a few facts for those tempted to start peddling gun control as a solution:
1) Statistically, rifles (of all types) are used less often than bare fists, knives or blunt objects to commit murder each year.
2) There are 10 million+ AR-15 style rifles in the U.S. and and an extremely small number are used to kill someone.
3) Handguns are the primary tool of murderers.
4) 50% of all murders are committed by young to middle aged black males who make up 2-3% of the population.
An old classic political cartoon tells the truth about homicide weapons:
Oh please with these right wing talking points. Talk about how many mass shootings are done with assault weapons. Talk about how many guns are sold through the black market. Talk about how easy it is for young crazies and dumbasses to purchase a gun. Your cite is B.S. Almost 70% of murders are committed by guns you dumbass
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2022 14:56:54 GMT
Hmm. I didn't see an option for "Shut down all speech that challenges the Democratic Party."
What gives Fiddler? You getting old and skippin a step?
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Post by Paleocon on May 16, 2022 15:03:12 GMT
I agree that we need to give more attention to the mental health issues, which, as you say, seem to be prevalent in so many of these cases.
And since you mentioned "certain types of guns", I took that as an opening to share a few facts for those tempted to start peddling gun control as a solution:
1) Statistically, rifles (of all types) are used less often than bare fists, knives or blunt objects to commit murder each year.
2) There are 10 million+ AR-15 style rifles in the U.S. and and an extremely small number are used to kill someone.
3) Handguns are the primary tool of murderers.
4) 50% of all murders are committed by young to middle aged black males who make up 2-3% of the population.
An old classic political cartoon tells the truth about homicide weapons:
Oh please with these right wing talking points. Talk about how many mass shootings are done with assault weapons. Talk about how many guns are sold through the black market. Talk about how easy it is for young crazies and dumbasses to purchase a gun. Your cite is B.S. Almost 70% of murders are committed by guns you dumbass Stop whining, Wads. These are FACTS, not talking points. A huge number of murders are committed by black thugs with handguns. Once again, these "assault weapons" (that label is a lie, by the way) combined with all other types of rifles are used to murder less often than knives, blunt objects and bare fists.
Mass shootings have resulted in just over a thousand deaths since 1982 according to the Mother Jones database of mass shootings. To put that into context for your tiny little mind, there were almost 22,000 murders just last year.
Looks like the only "dumbass" here is you, Wads. Not a surprise to most of us.
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Post by Paleocon on May 16, 2022 15:04:50 GMT
Hmm. I didn't see an option for "Shut down all speech that challenges the Democratic Party." What gives Fiddler? You getting old and skippin a step? An honest man would have created an objective set of options in his poll. But, hey, it's Fiddler we're talking about.
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Post by Monster Man on May 16, 2022 15:10:15 GMT
Here is the short list for things I have proposed other than "doing nothing"
Eliminate gun free zones Enact Concealed Carry reciprocity Enable Emergency Protective Orders Allow Public Access to use of NICS for private sales Hold FBI and Law Enforcement accountable for failures and expect more from them Prosecute NICS failures (see above) Start electing DA's who are not soft on crime Start enforcing firearms laws to their full extent, increase penalties for firearms crimes Hold Government agencies accountable for getting data to NICS
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Post by thecitizen on May 16, 2022 15:11:11 GMT
Oh please with these right wing talking points. Talk about how many mass shootings are done with assault weapons. Talk about how many guns are sold through the black market. Talk about how easy it is for young crazies and dumbasses to purchase a gun. Your cite is B.S. Almost 70% of murders are committed by guns you dumbass Stop whining, Wads. These are FACTS, not talking points. A huge number of murders are committed by black thugs with handguns. Once again, these "assault weapons" (that label is a lie, by the way) combined with all other types of rifles are used to murder less often than knives, blunt objects and bare fists.
Mass shootings have resulted in just over a thousand deaths since 1982 according to the Mother Jones database of mass shootings. To put that into context for your tiny little mind, there were almost 22,000 murders just last year.
Looks like the only "dumbass" here is you, Wads. Not a surprise to most of us.
What does any of that have to do with this topic? Nothing. Just trying to change the subject so you won't have to talk about Buffalo is not working. So what can we do to prevent this from happening again or are you more interested in stopping women from having abortions than stopping crazy asses from purchasing guns for murder.
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