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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 5, 2022 17:03:29 GMT
 The absolutely worst reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg |
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Post by wyattstorch on Mar 5, 2022 17:38:06 GMT
The absolutely worst reason reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg
Agree.
And the fact that there are some in congress - and apparently then followed by Zelenskyy himself (not saying he got the idea from them, but that might have given him cover to ask) requesting it and deriding NATO for not providing it - is worrying.
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Post by rmwa on Mar 5, 2022 17:39:58 GMT
We might be standing right on the edge of the cliff about to go over.
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 5, 2022 17:55:52 GMT
The absolutely worst reason reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg So, invading a country without provocation is not an "act of war", but trying to stop that invasion is.
Got it. Putin would love you.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 5, 2022 17:58:16 GMT
The absolutely worst reason reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg So, invading a country without provocation is not an "act of war", but trying to stop that invasion is.
Got it.
If Russia were not a nuclear power, I can see your point. But, war between them and us could lead to WWIII. Is that what you want? Greg |
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Post by rmwa on Mar 5, 2022 18:28:17 GMT
General principle: if the solution is worse than the problem, it's not a solution.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Mar 5, 2022 18:34:39 GMT
The absolutely worst reason reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg 100% |
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Post by rmwa on Mar 5, 2022 19:53:53 GMT
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 5, 2022 21:18:42 GMT
So, invading a country without provocation is not an "act of war", but trying to stop that invasion is.
Got it.
If Russia were not a nuclear power, I can see your point. But, war between them and us could lead to WWIII. Is that what you want? Greg So once again the "good men" deliberate while the "bad men" confiscate. Then what?
How much control are you willing to give Putin, and his supporters like China, before you understand that force can only be defeated by a greater force? Do you think Putin is stupid enough to enter into a nuclear war with the US?
WW3 is inevitable. How much should we allow before actually doing something? We tried to create a "safe passage" for refugees, and medical materials, along with food. Putin bombed it, we shut it down, and now are "deliberating" what to do next. And while we "deliberate" Putin advances, and threatens a nuclear disaster.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 5, 2022 23:11:38 GMT
If Russia were not a nuclear power, I can see your point. But, war between them and us could lead to WWIII. Is that what you want? Greg So once again the "good men" deliberate while the "bad men" confiscate. Then what?
How much control are you willing to give Putin, and his supporters like China, before you understand that force can only be defeated by a greater force? Do you think Putin is stupid enough to enter into a nuclear war with the US?
WW3 is inevitable. How much should we allow before actually doing something? We tried to create a "safe passage" for refugees, and medical materials, along with food. Putin bombed it, we shut it down, and now are "deliberating" what to do next. And while we "deliberate" Putin advances, and threatens a nuclear disaster.
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 5, 2022 23:24:46 GMT
So once again the "good men" deliberate while the "bad men" confiscate. Then what?
How much control are you willing to give Putin, and his supporters like China, before you understand that force can only be defeated by a greater force? Do you think Putin is stupid enough to enter into a nuclear war with the US?
WW3 is inevitable. How much should we allow before actually doing something? We tried to create a "safe passage" for refugees, and medical materials, along with food. Putin bombed it, we shut it down, and now are "deliberating" what to do next. And while we "deliberate" Putin advances, and threatens a nuclear disaster.
Yes. Greg So fear controls.
Tell me, how will you justify stopping China from taking over Taiwan, Turkey taking Kurdistan, India taking Kashmir, and the list goes on?
At what point is enough before "good men" get off their asses, and stop the "evil men"? Is there a point you would say enough, or is fear of the inevitable going to be enough for you?
You know Putin is not going to stop with just a third of Ukraine. Hell, the "good men" cannot even stop a lying thief like trump.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 5, 2022 23:37:05 GMT
So fear controls.
Tell me, how will you justify stopping China from taking over Taiwan, Turkey taking Kurdistan, India taking Kashmir, and the list goes on?
At what point is enough before "good men" get off their asses, and stop the "evil men"? Is there a point you would say enough, or is fear of the inevitable going to be enough for you?
You know Putin is not going to stop with just a third of Ukraine. Hell, the "good men" cannot even stop a lying thief like trump.
Tell me, are you willing to sacrifice the lives of every occupant of New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Baltimore and Atlanta? Do you understand what can happen? Greg |
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Post by CadesCove on Mar 6, 2022 0:16:07 GMT
So fear controls.
Tell me, how will you justify stopping China from taking over Taiwan, Turkey taking Kurdistan, India taking Kashmir, and the list goes on?
At what point is enough before "good men" get off their asses, and stop the "evil men"? Is there a point you would say enough, or is fear of the inevitable going to be enough for you?
You know Putin is not going to stop with just a third of Ukraine. Hell, the "good men" cannot even stop a lying thief like trump.
Tell me, are you willing to sacrifice the lives of every occupant of New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Baltimore and Atlanta? Do you understand what can happen? Greg Shit, those are the lucky ones, they're vaporized and put out of their misery instantly. Those that survive the initial strikes get to look forward to radiation poisoning, cancers and starvation. EMP blasts fry every electric device on the planet. No cars and if you had a radio no one to listen to. Nuclear winter sets in and the earth doesn't see the sun for a few years. No food. I hear the rats and cockroaches will make it though. |
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Post by CadesCove on Mar 6, 2022 0:28:50 GMT
So fear controls.
Tell me, how will you justify stopping China from taking over Taiwan, Turkey taking Kurdistan, India taking Kashmir, and the list goes on?
At what point is enough before "good men" get off their asses, and stop the "evil men"? Is there a point you would say enough, or is fear of the inevitable going to be enough for you?
You know Putin is not going to stop with just a third of Ukraine. Hell, the "good men" cannot even stop a lying thief like trump.
Welcome to the modern nuclear nightmare. There is a real reason Kim Jong Un wanted nukes so badly. No one has been delusional enough to try it until now and it's not going to end well for Vlad as he's not going to have much of a motherland left to rule. Realistically, China can't invade and occupy Taiwan as they don't have the capability. Same goes for India, Turkey etc. They can strike, but can't hold territory. Hell, no one knows what Putin is going to do with Ukraine after it falls as they aren't rolling over and he doesn't have the numbers to occupy. |
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 6, 2022 1:11:48 GMT
Like they used to say about a thermonuclear war. You've seen one... you've seen them all...
Greg
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Post by Lomelis on Mar 6, 2022 1:27:27 GMT
If Russia were not a nuclear power, I can see your point. But, war between them and us could lead to WWIII. Is that what you want? Greg So once again the "good men" deliberate while the "bad men" confiscate. Then what?
How much control are you willing to give Putin, and his supporters like China, before you understand that force can only be defeated by a greater force? Do you think Putin is stupid enough to enter into a nuclear war with the US?
WW3 is inevitable. How much should we allow before actually doing something? We tried to create a "safe passage" for refugees, and medical materials, along with food. Putin bombed it, we shut it down, and now are "deliberating" what to do next. And while we "deliberate" Putin advances, and threatens a nuclear disaster.
What are you personally doing to help prevent Putin's advances? I mean it sounds like you are just sitting on your ass smoking meth expecting other people to go fight Putin while you do nothing but get high. |
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 5:35:31 GMT
So fear controls.
Tell me, how will you justify stopping China from taking over Taiwan, Turkey taking Kurdistan, India taking Kashmir, and the list goes on?
At what point is enough before "good men" get off their asses, and stop the "evil men"? Is there a point you would say enough, or is fear of the inevitable going to be enough for you?
You know Putin is not going to stop with just a third of Ukraine. Hell, the "good men" cannot even stop a lying thief like trump.
Tell me, are you willing to sacrifice the lives of every occupant of New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Baltimore and Atlanta? Do you understand what can happen? Greg OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 6, 2022 5:46:18 GMT
Tell me, are you willing to sacrifice the lives of every occupant of New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Baltimore and Atlanta? Do you understand what can happen? Greg OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
Actually, it's the other way around. I am not willing to risk the potential end of all human life on this earth to jump in to save Ukrainians. Why are you? You seriously believe the Russians won't use their nuclear weapons against us? How do you know they don't already have them parked in western cities? Greg |
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Post by CadesCove on Mar 6, 2022 5:48:36 GMT
Tell me, are you willing to sacrifice the lives of every occupant of New York, Los Angeles, Seattle, Baltimore and Atlanta? Do you understand what can happen? Greg OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
They have 6,000 nukes. Chances are pretty good you're dead. |
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Post by Lomelis on Mar 6, 2022 5:59:21 GMT
OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
Actually, it's the other way around. I am not willing to risk the potential end of all human life on this earth to jump in to save Ukrainians. Why are you? You seriously believe the Russians won't use their nuclear weapons against us? How do you know they don't already have them parked in western cities? Greg He's a tweaker. |
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