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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 6:02:35 GMT
OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
Actually, it's the other way around. I am not willing to risk the potential end of all human life on this earth to jump in to save Ukrainians. Why are you? You seriously believe the Russians won't use their nuclear weapons against us? How do you know they don't already have them parked in western cities? Greg Unlike you I do not fear that Putin will seek to destroy his entire country (we too do have nuclear weapons you know, or did you forget?) for the sake of taking Ukraine.
But how do you, or he, know that we do not have our own nukes pointed at him? Subs do have nukes you know.
Now, why would you want your fear to allow the enslavement of over half of the world? And even if your are not a Christian, why would you want to act the role of the coward when so many Ukrainians are acting the role of a man?
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 6:06:46 GMT
OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
They have 6,000 nukes. Chances are pretty good you're dead. And we have the about the same. But it only takes a couple of dozen to make life impossible.
But, would you prefer to live free, or be a slave?
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 6, 2022 6:06:47 GMT
Actually, it's the other way around. I am not willing to risk the potential end of all human life on this earth to jump in to save Ukrainians. Why are you? You seriously believe the Russians won't use their nuclear weapons against us? How do you know they don't already have them parked in western cities? Greg Unlike you I do not fear that Putin will seek to destroy his entire country (we too do have nuclear weapons you know, or did you forget?) for the sake of taking Ukraine.
But how do you, or he, know that we do not have our own nukes pointed at him? Subs do have nukes you know.
Now, why would you want your fear to allow the enslavement of over half of the world? And even if your are not a Christian, why would you want to act the role of the coward when so many Ukrainians are acting the role of a man?
I suppose the question becomes "Are you willing to die for the Ukrainians?". Are you? Greg
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 6:09:30 GMT
Unlike you I do not fear that Putin will seek to destroy his entire country (we too do have nuclear weapons you know, or did you forget?) for the sake of taking Ukraine.
But how do you, or he, know that we do not have our own nukes pointed at him? Subs do have nukes you know.
Now, why would you want your fear to allow the enslavement of over half of the world? And even if your are not a Christian, why would you want to act the role of the coward when so many Ukrainians are acting the role of a man?
I suppose the question becomes "Are you willing to die for the Ukrainians?". Are you? Greg No, but I would die to fight for freedom. Obviously you won't.
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Post by Lomelis on Mar 6, 2022 6:26:29 GMT
I suppose the question becomes "Are you willing to die for the Ukrainians?". Are you? Greg No, but I would die to fight for freedom. Obviously you won't. Oh. So you aren't willing to risk your life for Ukrainian freedom but you expect others to do so. Why aren't you going to fight?
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Post by Greg55_99 on Mar 6, 2022 6:41:37 GMT
I suppose the question becomes "Are you willing to die for the Ukrainians?". Are you? Greg No, but I would die to fight for freedom. Obviously you won't. So what's stopping you now? Greg
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 6:41:59 GMT
No, but I would die to fight for freedom. Obviously you won't. Oh. So you aren't willing to risk your life for Ukrainian freedom but you expect others to do so. Why aren't you going to fight? Cowards like you never fought for anything but your "right" to kill others anonymously.
And at 77 I think I have earned the right to set this one out.
But hey, if the Ruskies come to this county I am sure you have a skirt to hide under,
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Post by johnnybgood on Mar 6, 2022 6:46:25 GMT
So, invading a country without provocation is not an "act of war", but trying to stop that invasion is.
Got it.
If Russia were not a nuclear power, I can see your point. But, war between them and us could lead to WWIII. Is that what you want? Greg and WW3 would lead to destroying the planet
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Post by johnnybgood on Mar 6, 2022 6:49:53 GMT
OK, just so we are straight here. YOU are willing to sacrifice the lives of the Ukrainians, Taiwanese, Pakistani's, Kurds, and any other country that petty dictators want to take and make slaves of, just because of something that"might" happen, and the fear that Putin is so unstable that he would risk the lives of his entire country.
Gotcha.
Of course, it is not like we cannot shoot any missiles down.
Actually, it's the other way around. I am not willing to risk the potential end of all human life on this earth to jump in to save Ukrainians. Why are you? You seriously believe the Russians won't use their nuclear weapons against us? How do you know they don't already have them parked in western cities? Greg Putin is nut case pussy. He wouldn't dare fight us without destroying our cities with his nukes. Pussys shoot the 1st nukes.
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Post by Lomelis on Mar 6, 2022 7:53:49 GMT
Oh. So you aren't willing to risk your life for Ukrainian freedom but you expect others to do so. Why aren't you going to fight? Cowards like you never fought for anything but your "right" to kill others anonymously.
And at 77 I think I have earned the right to set this one out.
But hey, if the Ruskies come to this county I am sure you have a skirt to hide under,
Ah so because you're old and dumb you expect and demand others that are much younger to sacrifice on your behalf. You can fuck off with that bullshit you old coward.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 16:34:14 GMT
The absolutely worst reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg There were a lot of bad reasons to devastate the world economy and potentially erode the power of the US dollar too, but that didn't stop us.
Remember the other half of World War II and how Japan saw sanctions as an act of war?
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 18:21:06 GMT
The absolutely worst reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg There were a lot of bad reasons to devastate the world economy and potentially erode the power of the US dollar too, but that didn't stop us.
Remember the other half of World War II and how Japan saw sanctions as an act of war?
As if that were the only reason:
And then we wonder why the No. Koreans are so compliant to their master. "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 18:24:33 GMT
Actually, it's the other way around. I am not willing to risk the potential end of all human life on this earth to jump in to save Ukrainians. Why are you? You seriously believe the Russians won't use their nuclear weapons against us? How do you know they don't already have them parked in western cities? Greg Putin is nut case pussy. He wouldn't dare fight us without destroying our cities with his nukes. Pussys shoot the 1st nukes. Especially when other pussys let a bully control them.
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Post by RWB on Mar 6, 2022 18:32:07 GMT
Putin is nut case pussy. He wouldn't dare fight us without destroying our cities with his nukes. Pussys shoot the 1st nukes. Especially when other pussys let a bully control them. Translation IT'S ALL TRUMP'S FAULT DEMOCRATS ARE PERFECT.
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Post by thor on Mar 6, 2022 19:05:25 GMT
The absolutely worst reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg There were a lot of bad reasons to devastate the world economy and potentially erode the power of the US dollar too, but that didn't stop us.
Remember the other half of World War II and how Japan saw sanctions as an act of war?
Yes. Imperial Japan should have been allowed to aggressively expand in China and SE Asia in the name of peace. The rape of Nanking was because those darned Chinese didn't want peace!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 19:19:15 GMT
There were a lot of bad reasons to devastate the world economy and potentially erode the power of the US dollar too, but that didn't stop us.
Remember the other half of World War II and how Japan saw sanctions as an act of war?
As if that were the only reason:
And then we wonder why the No. Koreans are so compliant to their master. "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
I thank you for bringing more attention to the other influences from the Japanese viewpoint. Such as American expansionism in their spheres of influence as is discussed at length in your link. High five bud.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 19:20:05 GMT
There were a lot of bad reasons to devastate the world economy and potentially erode the power of the US dollar too, but that didn't stop us.
Remember the other half of World War II and how Japan saw sanctions as an act of war?
Yes. Imperial Japan should have been allowed to aggressively expand in China and SE Asia in the name of peace. The rape of Nanking was because those darned Chinese didn't want peace!!!!! Bert, and that's why they attacked Pearl Harbor and got us to declare war on them in your view? Because they raped Nanking? Can you expand on this incredibly insightful observation?
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 20:38:45 GMT
As if that were the only reason:
And then we wonder why the No. Koreans are so compliant to their master. "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
I thank you for bringing more attention to the other influences from the Japanese viewpoint. Such as American expansionism in their spheres of influence as is discussed at length in your link. High five bud.
Not a "viewpoint", just reality.
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Post by jasmine on Mar 6, 2022 21:02:01 GMT
The absolutely worst reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg I think the "act of war" part already happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. But it's not our war to fight. At least, not yet.
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 6, 2022 21:05:21 GMT
The absolutely worst reason to do this is it brings NATO combatants in direct contact with Russian combatants. That's an act of war. Greg I think the "act of war" part already happened when Russia invaded Ukraine. But it's not our war to fight. At least, not yet. Good men do nothing=evil triumphs.
Then again, are we really the "good men"? Obviously most are not Christian.
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