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Post by demos on Feb 13, 2024 16:10:07 GMT
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Post by queshank on Feb 13, 2024 16:12:49 GMT
So weird the sanctions aren't working out as well as they thought they would. Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his anti Russia anti Trump encouragement of businesses isn't working out as well as he promised. (Sonnenfeld also led giant corporations in opposing Trump. The proletariat ain't gonna put itself down! The bourgeoisie have to make moves to make it happen.)
So weird teaching Russia how to counter NATO tactics isn't having a net positive impact on European stability.
Weird. All this weird stuff nobody ... NOBODY could have seen coming.
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Post by demos on Feb 15, 2024 16:53:03 GMT
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Post by queshank on Feb 15, 2024 17:10:41 GMT
The Munich Security Conference (MSC) is a prominent platform for global discussions on security policy. MSC 2024 aims to reinforce the rules-based international order and counter revisionist tendencies
How much credit should we give this polling?
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Post by queshank on Feb 15, 2024 17:12:46 GMT
The report:
I wonder if Jeffrey Sonnenfeld contributed?
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Post by demos on Feb 15, 2024 17:17:43 GMT
How much credit should we give this polling?
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As much credit as any poll I suppose. I haven't gone back to look for any trends or other polling to compare to yet.
Here is their methodology:
This edition of the index is based on representative samples of around 1,000 people from each G7 country, BRICS countries, except Russia (“BICS”), and Ukraine. The total sample thus amounts to around 12,000 people (margin of error: 3.1 percent). Polling was conducted in October and November 2023, using industry-leading online panels. Respondents were selected according to stratified quotas for gender, age, residency, formal education, and income to ensure representativeness. The final data was then weighed to exactly match the quotas.
One thing I would wonder about is how this poll would look if you included Ukrainian refugees.
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Post by queshank on Feb 15, 2024 17:21:26 GMT
How much credit should we give this polling?
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As much credit as any poll I suppose. I haven't gone back to look for any trends or other polling to compare to yet.
Here is their methodology:
This edition of the index is based on representative samples of around 1,000 people from each G7 country, BRICS countries, except Russia (“BICS”), and Ukraine. The total sample thus amounts to around 12,000 people (margin of error: 3.1 percent). Polling was conducted in October and November 2023, using industry-leading online panels. Respondents were selected according to stratified quotas for gender, age, residency, formal education, and income to ensure representativeness. The final data was then weighed to exactly match the quotas.
One thing I would wonder about is how this poll would look if you included Ukrainian refugees.
I'm only asking because we already know we are supposed to discount entirely any polling or voting done in Eastern Ukraine.
And this polling states from the outset their entire goal and reason for existing is to counter that "propaganda" with the opposite "propaganda."
So ...
I won't put too much stock in it.
But then again it doesn't matter. The thing I'm still surprised is so important to people posting here is the magical thinking involved in the opinion some hold that we here on the boards have influence on these events. And that our thoughts and opinions and discussion points on the subject matter enough to get worked up about it.
And in thinking that the Ukrainian people get a vote on what Russia will do.
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Post by demos on Feb 15, 2024 17:25:28 GMT
But then again it doesn't matter. The thing I'm still surprised is so important to people posting here is the magical thinking involved in the opinion some hold that we here on the boards have influence on these events. And that our thoughts and opinions and discussion points on the subject matter enough to get worked up about it.
And in thinking that the Ukrainian people get a vote on what Russia will do.
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I do my bit part by voting for people that share my position, although that's limited, because I'm in a politically gerrymandered district and my Congressman is basically pre-determined.
Most important race I'll be voting in this year in the local DA race in the Democrat primary (that's where it will be decided).
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Post by demos on Feb 19, 2024 17:07:20 GMT
Source
As of November last year, the average soldier's age was over 40. ( Source)
Picked this up over the weekend and read half of it yesterday. Lots of good information, particularly providing context for the war:
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Post by MojoJojo on Feb 19, 2024 18:32:23 GMT
As of November last year, the average soldier's age was over 40. ( Source) I read the same on some site too. Basically, Gen-X'rs are doing the heavy lifting while the younger ones continue clubbing in Kiev. |
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Post by demos on Feb 19, 2024 19:29:31 GMT
I read the same on some site too. Basically, Gen-X'rs are doing the heavy lifting while the younger ones continue clubbing in Kiev. Same as it ever was.  |
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Post by demos on Feb 22, 2024 18:43:04 GMT
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Post by queshank on Feb 22, 2024 18:57:44 GMT
Firstly, Europeans appear pessimistic about the outcome of the war. An average of just 10 per cent of Europeans across 12 countries believe that Ukraine will win. Twice as many expect a Russian victory. We can only speculate as to how people define a Russian victory, but it seems plausible to suggest that, for many, the idea of a Russian victory means Ukraine will not be able to liberate all its occupied territories (and a Ukrainian victory that it will).
This weak confidence in Ukraine’s chances of victory is visible all over Europe. Poland, Portugal, and Sweden are the most optimistic countries. But even there, only 17 per cent of respondents believe Ukraine will prevail – and in Sweden 19 per cent think Russia will win. Everywhere except for Poland and Portugal more people expect a Russian victory than a Ukrainian one, and as many as 31 per cent in Hungary and 30 per cent in Greece expect this. But the prevailing response everywhere we polled (37 per cent on average) is that the war will end in a settlement – with that response comfortably outweighing a Ukrainian victory even in Poland...
Damn that insidious Kremlin propaganda! Putin's mojo (wink) is just too strong!
We need better censors! Then Ukraine would be winning!
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Post by bama beau on Feb 23, 2024 5:55:49 GMT
Firstly, Europeans appear pessimistic about the outcome of the war. An average of just 10 per cent of Europeans across 12 countries believe that Ukraine will win. Twice as many expect a Russian victory. We can only speculate as to how people define a Russian victory, but it seems plausible to suggest that, for many, the idea of a Russian victory means Ukraine will not be able to liberate all its occupied territories (and a Ukrainian victory that it will).
This weak confidence in Ukraine’s chances of victory is visible all over Europe. Poland, Portugal, and Sweden are the most optimistic countries. But even there, only 17 per cent of respondents believe Ukraine will prevail – and in Sweden 19 per cent think Russia will win. Everywhere except for Poland and Portugal more people expect a Russian victory than a Ukrainian one, and as many as 31 per cent in Hungary and 30 per cent in Greece expect this. But the prevailing response everywhere we polled (37 per cent on average) is that the war will end in a settlement – with that response comfortably outweighing a Ukrainian victory even in Poland...
Damn that insidious Kremlin propaganda! Putin's mojo (wink) is just too strong!
We need better censors! Then Ukraine would be winning!
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Damn that insidious Kremlin propaganda indeed. And shame on anyone caught peddling it. |
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Post by demos on Feb 26, 2024 22:46:27 GMT
Guess France has a plan for the manpower problem: Source
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Post by queshank on Feb 26, 2024 23:10:22 GMT
Firstly, Europeans appear pessimistic about the outcome of the war. An average of just 10 per cent of Europeans across 12 countries believe that Ukraine will win. Twice as many expect a Russian victory. We can only speculate as to how people define a Russian victory, but it seems plausible to suggest that, for many, the idea of a Russian victory means Ukraine will not be able to liberate all its occupied territories (and a Ukrainian victory that it will).
This weak confidence in Ukraine’s chances of victory is visible all over Europe. Poland, Portugal, and Sweden are the most optimistic countries. But even there, only 17 per cent of respondents believe Ukraine will prevail – and in Sweden 19 per cent think Russia will win. Everywhere except for Poland and Portugal more people expect a Russian victory than a Ukrainian one, and as many as 31 per cent in Hungary and 30 per cent in Greece expect this. But the prevailing response everywhere we polled (37 per cent on average) is that the war will end in a settlement – with that response comfortably outweighing a Ukrainian victory even in Poland...
Damn that insidious Kremlin propaganda! Putin's mojo (wink) is just too strong!
We need better censors! Then Ukraine would be winning!
Queshank
Damn that insidious Kremlin propaganda indeed. And shame on anyone caught peddling it. Another one that can't tell the difference between where the tracks are going, and where the conductor says the train is going.
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Post by demos on Feb 27, 2024 13:56:32 GMT
Guess France has a plan for the manpower problem:
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This got some push back:
Although Slovak PM says some countries considering it on a bilateral basis (not through NATO):
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Post by thor on Feb 27, 2024 13:58:07 GMT
Guess France has a plan for the manpower problem:
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This got some push back:
Although Slovak PM says some countries considering it on a bilateral basis (not through NATO):
A look at a map might clear some of this up for you. |
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Post by demos on Feb 27, 2024 14:04:51 GMT
A look at a map might clear some of this up for you. Brilliant insight.
What else you got?
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Post by thor on Feb 27, 2024 22:10:56 GMT
A look at a map might clear some of this up for you. Brilliant insight.
What else you got?
So you have nothing? To put things in D&D (2E) terms, demos, you have the Intellect, but not the Wisdom. |
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