1. Afghanistan wasn't even trying to be egalitarian or democratic
2. Nobody involved in the invasion seriously expected either attribute as an outcome. That wasn't the purpose
3. Ukraine is certainly on a path to being a functioning democracy
4. Russia is actively opposed to democracy and the wider rule of law.
5. Your point is irrelevant and misconceived
Before I stick my dick in your ass and wiggle it around until you bleed, I have to ask ...
Do you seriously think I'm talking about the US and UK's invasion of Afghanistan and not the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan despite all evidence to the contrary?
You know. The war when it was predicted that US meddling in Afghanistan would result in a Soviet invasion, creepily resembling the exact situation we are left with in Ukraine?
In reality, however, US aid to the Mujahedin began in July 1979 (six months before the Soviet invasion) and, as former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski admitted in a 1998 interview, this aid increased the probability that the Soviet Union would invade Afghanistan. Using declassified US government documents and memorandums from the 1970s and 1980s, this essay substantiates, corroborates, and develops the admissions made in Brzezinski’s 1998 interview, arguing that Soviet military intervention in Afghanistan was not a catastrophe for US foreign interests, but rather a US provocation that bolstered US Cold War foreign policy objectives. Ultimately, the Soviet-Afghan War launched a cascade of devastating long-term and large-scale consequences, including the solidification of the concept of global violent jihad, the formation of al-Qaeda, and the rise of the Taliban regime.
Your ignorance constantly being displayed in these conversations as being neocon talking point deep is duly noted.
Fine, I'll be more direct. Your question is irrelevant to how this war ends.
The point is why you think the aggrieved party should 'negotiate'?
Would YOU negotiate if someone broke into your house (after taking some of your land a few years earlier), destroyed your property, and kicked the shit out of you and your family?
The point is why you think the aggrieved party should 'negotiate'?
The point is that this is generally how conflicts end.
If Ukraine completely defeats Russia, guess what, there will be negotiations to end the conflict (or Russia will choose to immolate itself along with everyone else).
If Russia wins, there will be negotiations to end the conflict.
If one or both sides become exhausted and sue for peace, there will be negotiations to end the conflict.
In all cases, someone is going to be making concessions.
Or you can continue to live in fantasyland and pretend all that doesn't really happen.
Would YOU negotiate if someone broke into your house (after taking some of your land a few years earlier), destroyed your property, and kicked the shit out of you and your family?
There's a tank battle alright, just not in Ukraine:
Germany snubs Ukraine’s tank request
Germany dashed Ukrainian hopes that Berlin would finally decide on Friday to send modern battle tanks to Kyiv’s forces, with German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius arguing there was no international agreement yet on the topic. Speaking outside a meeting of defense ministers at the U.S. Ramstein military base in Germany, Pistorius said his government had still not agreed to a Ukrainian request for German’s Leopard 2 tanks to aid an expected spring offensive...
Defense chiefs fail to resolve dispute on tanks for Ukraine
Defense leaders meeting at a U.S. air base in on Germany on Friday failed to resolve divisions over providing advanced battle tanks to Ukraine after more than five hours of discussions about sending more military aid to the embattled country in its war with Russia. The defense minister of Poland, which has pledged a company of 14 Leopard tanks on condition that other countries also supply them, said 15 countries that have the German-made Leopards discussed the issue but no decisions were made...
How US-German ‘bickering’ is blocking Ukraine’s push for tanks
A push to provide battle tanks to Ukraine is stalled after U.S. officials this week expressed reluctance over difficulties in maintenance and training for the advanced tracked vehicle. The U.S. decision effectively prevents Ukraine getting tanks from other NATO allies as well, as Germany this week made clear it would only allow other countries to send German-made tanks if the U.S. commits its own M1 Abrams tank first...
The point is why you think the aggrieved party should 'negotiate'?
The point is that this is generally how conflicts end.
If Ukraine completely defeats Russia, guess what, there will be negotiations to end the conflict (or Russia will choose to immolate itself along with everyone else).
If Russia wins, there will be negotiations to end the conflict.
If one or both sides become exhausted and sue for peace, there will be negotiations to end the conflict.
In all cases, someone is going to be making concessions.
Or you can continue to live in fantasyland and pretend all that doesn't really happen.
Would YOU negotiate if someone broke into your house (after taking some of your land a few years earlier), destroyed your property, and kicked the shit out of you and your family?
The point is why you think the aggrieved party should 'negotiate'?
The point is that this is generally how conflicts end.
If Ukraine completely defeats Russia, guess what, there will be negotiations to end the conflict (or Russia will choose to immolate itself along with everyone else).
If Russia wins, there will be negotiations to end the conflict.
If one or both sides become exhausted and sue for peace, there will be negotiations to end the conflict.
In all cases, someone is going to be making concessions.
Or you can continue to live in fantasyland and pretend all that doesn't really happen.
Would YOU negotiate if someone broke into your house (after taking some of your land a few years earlier), destroyed your property, and kicked the shit out of you and your family?
Is that you petep?
Ha ha.
My sense is if Ukraine wins, we will see a situation like Israel. Israel is threatened by all its neighbors stating they will wipe israel off the face of the earth. And israel kicks ass. And the bully’s have been forever pissed and a pain in the ass.
If Russia wins, as they’ve demonstrated, that’s the end of Ukraine as we know it and every bully around the world as we’ve already been seeing the past two years will be more aggressive at taking what they want.
If someone illegally took my land, I could take them to court, and the ruling would be enforced. If that same person then broke into my house, etc., I could again pursue legal action against them.
That isn't an option in the international arena, because there is no sovereign world body to adjudicate these things.
This isn't complicated and comparisons to a home break-in are useless.
In the end, there will be negotiations, regardless of the outcome.
Top U.S. officials don't want to give Ukraine tanks despite German pressure
Despite German efforts to pressure the U.S. into providing Abrams tanks to Ukraine, the Pentagon’s top leaders are against sending them, three U.S. officials said... The three U.S. officials said Berlin has tried to put the U.S. on the spot about sending Abrams tanks, and there has been frustration within the Biden administration with Germany over the back and forth. The officials insist the German pressure is not going to work...
Poland ready to build ‘smaller coalition’ to send tanks to Ukraine without Germany
If Germany won’t play ball, then Poland will find other partners to deliver Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said in pointed remarks accusing Berlin of foot-dragging in its support of Kyiv against invading Russian forces. Poland is prepared to go around German opposition to build a “smaller coalition” of countries and find allies willing to send the tanks to Ukraine, Morawiecki said in an interview with the Polish Press Agency published on Sunday...
Russia claims advances in Zaporizhzhia as Nato squabbles over tanks to Ukraine
Russia has claimed to have made advances in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region as Nato allies continued to squabble over the potential supply of tanks to the war-torn country’s defence. After months of stalemate in the south-eastern oblast, Moscow-installed officials said the front was now “mobile” while the Ukrainian army reported that 15 settlements had come under artillery fire...
U.S. officials advise Ukraine to wait on offensive, official says
Senior U.S. officials are advising Ukraine to hold off on launching a major offensive against Russian forces until the latest supply of U.S. weaponry is in place and training has been provided, a senior Biden administration official said on Friday. The official, speaking to a small group of reporters on condition of anonymity, said the United States was holding fast to its decision not to provide Abrams tanks to Ukraine at this time, amid a controversy with Germany over tanks...
Not arguing this won't end in negotiation, as it will at some point, but that's the guy they'd be making a legal deal with.
Oh my gawd.
Consider this my petition to the admin for new emojis. The existing eyeroll emojis cannot effectively demonstrate my disgust.
It's almost like ... circumstances keep changing because we started WW3. At the rate we are going I would not be surprised at this point of Putin nukes Ukraine and turns it into a wasteland. And if that happens, I have a hunch you will be saying "This was predicted all along! We knew Putin couldn't be trusted!"
US, Germany sending battle tanks to aid Ukraine war effort
Germany and the United States announced Wednesday that they will send advanced battle tanks to Ukraine, offering what one expert called an “armored punching force” to help Kyiv break combat stalemates as the Russian invasion enters its 12th month. The announcement marked the first stage of a coordinated effort by the West to provide dozens of the heavy weapons, which Ukrainian military commanders said would enable counter-offensives, reduce casualties and help restore dwindling ammunition supplies...
U.S. to send 31 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, in major reversal
President Joe Biden announced on Wednesday that the U.S. will send Ukraine a battalion of 31 M1 Abrams tanks, the Army’s premier main battle tank, in a significant show of support for Kyiv in its fight against Russia. The tanks won’t arrive in Ukraine for many months, and the Pentagon is working through the challenges involved in providing the training, equipment and fuel to operate the 70-ton tracked weapons, officials said...
As Ukraine’s allies wrangle over what comes next to help the country fight Vladimir Putin’s forces, unfinished business elsewhere on NATO’s doorstep is also in need of some more attention. The Balkans have long been a byword for political and ethnic volatility, but things have worsened of late. Tensions have escalated since summer, after Kosovo told Serbs living in the country they had to adopt the same local ID cards and license plates as the ethnic Albanian majority. Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic even spent the final days of December trying to ease the standoff after residents in the north of Kosovo blocked off streets and confronted police...
Kremlin sees ‘direct involvement’ from other nations in Ukraine war after US, Germany agree to send tanks
The Kremlin sees “direct involvement” from the West in Russia’s war on Ukraine after the United States and Germany agreed to send battle tanks to Kyiv, according to state-run media. “There have been repeated statements from the European capitals and from Washington that the sending of various weapons systems, including tanks, to Ukraine by no means signifies the involvement of these countries or the [NATO] Alliance in the hostilities in Ukraine. We strongly disagree with this,” Dmitry Peskov, Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesperson, said in the state-owned outlet Tass...
Ukraine war: Zelenskyy 'not interested' in meeting 'nobody' Putin for peace talks
The Ukrainian president has told Sky News he is "not interested" in meeting Vladimir Putin for peace talks, describing him as a "nobody" who lives in an "information bubble" and does not really know what's happening on the battlefield... He said he "doesn't understand who makes decisions in Russia" and while Moscow asks for peace, it then lies by attacking his country with missiles at night...
Russia continues to lose influence around the world, above all in the post-Soviet space. The Russian-dominated Collective Security Treaty Organisation (CSTO) seems to be the last instrument available to the Kremlin to preserve at least some of the allies in Moscow’s geopolitical orbit. But does the CSTO have a future? Belarus is the only CSTO member that openly supported Russia’s so-called special military operation in Ukraine. Other of Moscow’s nominal allies – Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan – have either taken a neutral stance on the Russian invasion or have started distancing themselves from the Kremlin...
