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Post by thecitizen on Nov 11, 2022 21:42:21 GMT
Keep supplying Ukraine with Western arms so Zelenskyy can start threatening Crimea. Starting to run out of some Western arms it looks like (at least in terms what is reasonably available for Ukraine from Western stockpiles):
Given where things are in the U.S. and Europe (see posts above), as well as what Milley said about Ukrainian casualties, both sides should probably be talking about a ceasefire soon.
Well one side can’t talk without the other. Other than surrendering too Putin, I am sure Ukraine was willing to cease fire a long time ago. Also, I think it is easier and cheater to buy weapons frontman SK than ship them from here
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Post by demos on Nov 11, 2022 21:50:27 GMT
Well one side can’t talk without the other. Other than surrendering too Putin, I am sure Ukraine was willing to cease fire a long time ago. They have been having some talks throughout this conflict: grain deal, POW transfers, etc.
So, they could negotiate a cease fire; however, that probably won't be likely until there is some kind of stalemate though. It's not about cost; it's about our stockpiles:
"South Korea’s Defense Ministry in a statement acknowledged ongoing talks over exporting an unspecified number of 155-millimeter artillery shells to shore up diminishing U.S. inventories." ( AP)
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 12, 2022 8:09:01 GMT
Whatever you aren't smoking. Wads. Lol I don’t smoke Injection is worse, Wads.
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 12, 2022 8:11:51 GMT
(B) is irrelevent. (A) The US should negotiate directly with Russia and be willing to accept no more US encroachment of US weapons or troops near Russia's borders. That would mean no more aid for Ukraine and no more NATO but Ukraine will probably lose pro Russian eastern and southeastern areas. A lot of specifics can be worked out in those negotiations. Shitbag thinks when someone forcefully enters your home and takes your shit, they should be 'negotiated with'. You can turn your Man Card in, Shitbag. Forever. Ukraine isn't our house. It isn't ours. 🤦♂️ You're such a fucking moron. 👏
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Post by thecitizen on Nov 12, 2022 11:08:25 GMT
Injection is worse, Wads. You should know
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Post by demos on Nov 13, 2022 16:13:13 GMT
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Post by VYPR on Nov 13, 2022 16:57:38 GMT
“The West, and especially the U.S., is attacking Russia seemingly endlessly,” without elaborating on what he meant. “Of course, Russia is displaying great resistance in the face of all this,” Erdogan was quoted as telling reporters
Yeah, poor Russia. Putin has probably pledged some nice personal money to Erdogan's fortune's abroad if he shills favorably. Either way...poor Russia! If Ukraine had simply not invaded Russia we wouldn't be in this mess! What a bunch of imperialist bastards.
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Post by demos on Nov 13, 2022 18:02:30 GMT
Yeah, poor Russia. Putin has probably pledged some nice personal money to Erdogan's fortune's abroad if he shills favorably. Either way...poor Russia! If Ukraine had simply not invaded Russia we wouldn't be in this mess! What a bunch of imperialist bastards. Russia in a weakened position helps Erdogan's ambitions.
Erdogan is more likely hoping to gain more influence across the region, as well as in Central Asia, where Turkey has been seeking to expand its influence since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Brokering any further deals also helps boost Turkey's standing as a regional player and influence (for example, see the grain deal and supplying grain to countries like Libya).
Russia's weakened position also makes Russia more dependent on Turkey than vice versa. This war has kinda flipped the preexisting relationship.
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Post by demos on Nov 14, 2022 18:41:47 GMT
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Post by demos on Nov 15, 2022 15:54:56 GMT
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Related:
And to expand the picture, some things going on that could impact long term support for continuing this conflict:
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Post by demos on Nov 15, 2022 19:07:47 GMT
For reference, here's where Przewodów is:
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Post by demos on Nov 16, 2022 16:00:54 GMT
This latest incident is a cautionary tale of how this conflict could escalate. After the news came out Zelensky was quick to accuse Russia of attacking a NATO member and wanted action ( Source). Thankfully other parties were more cautious and took the time to investigate the situation to see if there was an actual threat (even if had been a Russia missile there was the distinct possibility it was inadvertent), which we now know it wasn't.
And Turkey is still pushing for peace ( Source).
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Post by demos on Nov 16, 2022 18:45:06 GMT
Looks like these are his full comments: Source
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Post by demos on Nov 17, 2022 16:43:53 GMT
Just some various things that could make cease fire or other negotiations to end the war more likely: SourceSource
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And Russia has agreed to renew the grain deal ( Source).
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Post by demos on Nov 18, 2022 18:09:04 GMT
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Post by demos on Nov 20, 2022 16:42:38 GMT
There was a truce offer, there wasn't, doesn't really matter (who knows)... Source
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Ukrainian officials are also encouraging people to evacuate the country to reduce strain on the power network (which has been significantly damaged by Russian strikes):
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Post by demos on Nov 23, 2022 16:22:56 GMT
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Regarding the uniformity, I'm not so sure that's a good thing, especially if it means more reliance on American weapons, which would further undermine the European arms industry and could further strain U.S. stockpiles in any similar future conflict.
I think that it's important to continue providing broader context here as well (since it impacts support for the conflict and negotiations); so with that:
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Post by MojoJojo on Nov 23, 2022 16:56:24 GMT
Just a shout-out to Demos for keeping this thread going, and not with just opinion but with sourced opinion and related articles.
I get too busy doom-scrolling on other sites and miss the more in-depth reads linked here.
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Post by petep on Nov 23, 2022 18:18:17 GMT
One thing is clear from these links. The brutal devasting u ilaterally invasion of Ukraine by Russia is not simply between the two countries.
It’s been devastating to many countries.
If you believe the biden Harris regime virtually all our woes are because of Russias invasion.
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Post by demos on Nov 27, 2022 16:57:36 GMT
Thanksgiving break over for me, so back at it. Source
See also:
And just something to keep an eye on as this goes on: Source
Related on the weapons front:
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