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Post by Fiddler on Jun 30, 2020 17:30:58 GMT
I realize you are easily frightened petep, and I am sorry to add to your already plentiful irrational fears, but that article, and my opinion, should not scare you. First off, it is old, and if you read it, you will see that the consensus is that the death rate of COVID positive patients is UNDER-represented, whereas your argument is that it is over-represented. Your own article, which I doubt you did much searching for, disagrees with your own conclusion. It is easy to fear things we don't understand. I think this explains your perspective elegantly. Freon Freon, you have become the wads and fids of this board. That can only mean that he backs up what he says with facts and data .. Something you constantly fail to accomplish..
Fewer than half the states are following federal recommendations to report probable novel coronavirus cases and deaths, marking what experts say is an unusual break with public health practices that leads to inconsistent data collection and undercounts of the disease’s impact.
A Washington Post review found that the states not disclosing probable cases and deaths include some of the largest: California, Florida, North Carolina and New York. That is one reason government officials and public health experts say the virus’s true toll is above the U.S. tally as of Sunday of about 1.9 million coronavirus cases and 109,000 deaths — benchmarks that shape policymaking and public opinion on the pandemic.
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Post by Fiddler on Jun 30, 2020 17:32:39 GMT
I'll just leave this here ...
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 3:09:30 GMT
Arrogant young-uns, take heed...
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 6:50:05 GMT
In other news, cancer, cardiac related deaths and many other forms of dying are way down. Meanwhile, we are up to any of 15 symptoms that you can count as a covid death, no test required. Oh, and we will give you money if you lost it as a covid death. Take the red pill people. Not sure what pill you swallowed, but the CDC disagrees with your first statement (except heart disease). See for yourself www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2018/006.pdfAnd when it comes to COVID deaths, where are you hearing that no test is required? Please cite your source, because I don't believe that for a second. And then, who is giving money to whom with respect to COVID deaths? Basically, unless you can prove otherwise, each sentence you wrote is fiction. Freon You do realize that your link is talking about data up to 2017 right? Pretty sure Petep was talking about 2020.
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Post by Lomelis on Jul 1, 2020 6:51:25 GMT
Arrogant young-uns, take heed...
Oh noes! A young person got sick! We all gonna die! Time to hide in the bunker.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 1, 2020 8:32:07 GMT
Arrogant young-uns, take heed...
No.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 8:46:29 GMT
Arrogant young-uns, take heed...
No.
Suit yourself.
Enjoy your Covid-19 infection.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 1, 2020 8:52:24 GMT
Suit yourself.
Enjoy your Covid-19 infection.
Lol
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 8:56:39 GMT
Suit yourself.
Enjoy your Covid-19 infection.
Lol
If we don't hear from you again, we'll know why.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 1, 2020 9:02:44 GMT
If we don't hear from you again, we'll know why.
Holy shit! Lmao! You keep doubling down on this stupid fucking warning.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 9:24:55 GMT
If we don't hear from you again, we'll know why.
Holy shit! Lmao! You keep doubling down on this stupid fucking warning. It's been so nice knowing you.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 1, 2020 9:56:02 GMT
Holy shit! Lmao! You keep doubling down on this stupid fucking warning. It's been so nice knowing you.
I’m not scared and I’m not programmed. Your warnings only broadcast your own fear and programming. I need not be concerned with the virus. Hopefully that’s all clear for you. If I do get the virus, what % likelihood do you think there is that I would die? Because I propose that it’s less than 0.0001%. Wondering your thoughts. No diseases, no obesity, no heart or lung issues, in very good physical condition, under 45 years old. What do you think? Use your Science.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 9:59:24 GMT
It's been so nice knowing you.
I’m not scared and I’m not programmed. Your warnings only broadcast your own fear and programming. I need not be concerned with the virus. Hopefully that’s all clear for you. If I do get the virus, what % likelihood do you think there is that I would die? Because I propose that it’s less than 0.0001%. Wondering your thoughts. No diseases, no obesity, no heart or lung issues, in very good physical condition, under 45 years old. What do you think? Use your Science. There was Typhoid Mary.
What name will be bestowed upon you?
Covid Bunny?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 1, 2020 10:04:57 GMT
I’m not scared and I’m not programmed. Your warnings only broadcast your own fear and programming. I need not be concerned with the virus. Hopefully that’s all clear for you. If I do get the virus, what % likelihood do you think there is that I would die? Because I propose that it’s less than 0.0001%. Wondering your thoughts. No diseases, no obesity, no heart or lung issues, in very good physical condition, under 45 years old. What do you think? Use your Science. There was Typhoid Mary.
What name will be bestowed upon you?
Covid Bunny?
If I’m sick, I won’t go outside. I’m not sick. So... that means...
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 10:24:42 GMT
There was Typhoid Mary.
What name will be bestowed upon you?
Covid Bunny?
If I’m sick, I won’t go outside. I’m not sick. So... that means...
Patience, little Jack Rabbit.
Your turn will come. Perhaps sooner than later, considering your lack of support for preventative measures.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Jul 1, 2020 10:32:28 GMT
If I’m sick, I won’t go outside. I’m not sick. So... that means...
Patience, little Jack Rabbit.
Your turn will come. Perhaps sooner than later, considering your lack of support for preventative measures.
You sound like a priest. And in a sense, that’s exactly what you are.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 1, 2020 10:46:00 GMT
Patience, little Jack Rabbit.
Your turn will come. Perhaps sooner than later, considering your lack of support for preventative measures.
You sound like a priest. And in a sense, that’s exactly what you are.
Actually, I'm a few pay grades above a priest.
I am God.
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Post by MojoJojo on Jul 1, 2020 11:23:28 GMT
I think I threw up in my mouth a bit.
Odysseus, your posting style is very Trumpian the way you double down and ignore questions.
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Post by crepe05 on Jul 1, 2020 13:15:57 GMT
The number cannot be accurate, because they are:
1) Untested 2) Unconfirmed
Therefore, while your math is spot on (you obviously know how to calculate percentages), the data you are using is from untested and unconfirmed supposed "cases"
Also your data is from March - when the pandemic was just getting started in the USA. It is OBSOLETE.
Let's look at more recent stats. For the USA alone, as of June 23, 2020:
2,413,716 confirmed cases, with 123,318 deaths. Do the math. That works out to a 5.1% death toll.
It is projected over 200,000 deaths in the USA from Covid19 by October 1, 2020.
Assuming that untested people will have a certain percent of infection is unreliable guesswork. But I can see why some want to utilize that approach if it supports their preconceived notions - public health be damned.
Oh yes, the data is obsolete. Since then we have learned that a ventilator makes the problems worse and that the reason people die is because their body is over reacting to the virus. New drugs are treating that problem and deaths per hospitalization are going down. So the infection mortality rate is likely even lower. As for the data being accurate, it is true that they are estimates. But look at where he got the estimates from. People that visited the doctor. There are a lot more that didn't visit the doctor because it was just a mild cough or they had no symptoms at all. The exact number is still unknown. It'll be a long time before we know for sure. But we do know that the infection mortality rate is low but living life still goes on. You can do it with a mask. I choose not. Love your neighbor as yourself much, lately? Incidentally, doesn't the heart stop beating in every death, no matter what the actual COD is. For example, if a person dies from cancer, he actually dies when his heart stops beating. But he died from cancer not from heart disease, although when I was a kid, Cancer had a bad reputation, and Docs wrote "heart disease" as COD.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 14:00:52 GMT
Oh yes, the data is obsolete. Since then we have learned that a ventilator makes the problems worse and that the reason people die is because their body is over reacting to the virus. New drugs are treating that problem and deaths per hospitalization are going down. So the infection mortality rate is likely even lower. As for the data being accurate, it is true that they are estimates. But look at where he got the estimates from. People that visited the doctor. There are a lot more that didn't visit the doctor because it was just a mild cough or they had no symptoms at all. The exact number is still unknown. It'll be a long time before we know for sure. But we do know that the infection mortality rate is low but living life still goes on. You can do it with a mask. I choose not. Love your neighbor as yourself much, lately? Incidentally, doesn't the heart stop beating in every death, no matter what the actual COD is. For example, if a person dies from cancer, he actually dies when his heart stops beating. But he died from cancer not from heart disease, although when I was a kid, Cancer had a bad reputation, and Docs wrote "heart disease" as COD. You also stop breathing, your brain stops functioning and a whole host of other functions stop, that doesn't mean they caused it. And my neighbors are fine, thank you.
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