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Post by demos on Dec 18, 2020 15:30:46 GMT
SourceNo, no, see that's a full withdrawal and requires everyone to freak out and demand we stay longer (if you're a member of the US Forward School).
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Post by demos on Dec 20, 2020 16:13:51 GMT
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Post by demos on Dec 30, 2020 17:51:34 GMT
SourceHow 'bout, "No." The last thing we need is to further entrench ourselves in Syria by committing to defend a Kurdish autonomous zone.
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Post by demos on Dec 30, 2020 20:33:43 GMT
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Post by demos on Jan 20, 2021 17:21:39 GMT
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Post by demos on Feb 3, 2021 16:19:29 GMT
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Post by oldtrapper on Feb 3, 2021 16:48:16 GMT
SourceHow 'bout, "No." The last thing we need is to further entrench ourselves in Syria by committing to defend a Kurdish autonomous zone. Ah yes, another one of those who thinks we should just turn our backs on our allies that lost thousands fighting for us. trump, and his right wing mindless followers, were warned this would happen when they turned their backs on the Kurds, and now it has happened. "WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump cast his decision to abandon Kurdish fighters in Syria as fulfilling a campaign promise to withdraw from “endless war” in the Middle East, even as Republican critics and others said he was sacrificing a U.S. ally and undermining American credibility. Trump declared U.S. troops would step aside for an expected Turkish attack on the Kurds, who have fought alongside Americans for years, but he then threatened to destroy the Turks’ economy if they went too far. Even Trump’s staunchest Republican congressional allies expressed outrage at the prospect of abandoning Syrian Kurds who had fought the Islamic State group with American arms and advice. It was the latest example of Trump’s approach to foreign policy that critics condemn as impulsive, that he sometimes reverses and that frequently is untethered to the advice of his national security aides. “A catastrophic mistake,” said Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the No. 3 House Republican leader. “Shot in the arm to the bad guys,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Trump said Monday he understood criticism from fellow GOP leaders but disagreed. He said he could also name supporters, but he didn’t. Pentagon and State Department officials held out the possibility of persuading Turkey to abandon its expected invasion. U.S. officials said they had seen no indication that Turkey had begun a military operation by late Monday." apnews.com/article/ac3115b4eb564288a03a5b8be868d2e5
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Post by demos on Feb 3, 2021 17:06:01 GMT
Ah yes, another one of those who thinks we should just turn our backs on our allies that lost thousands fighting for us. trump, and his right wing mindless followers, were warned this would happen when they turned their backs on the Kurds, and now it has happened. apnews.com/article/ac3115b4eb564288a03a5b8be868d2e5We've turned our backs on the Kurds so many times throughout our history its a tradition at this point. Not to mention all the other times we've done it to other "allies." We could've worked on a political settlement in Syria, but we advised the Kurds not to, because we want to keep pressure on Assad and keep our position in NE Syria to "counter" Iran. We don't need to be in Syria. We shouldn't have inserted ourselves into the Syrian civil war, which is why we're in this mess. We need to use diplomacy to come to a political settlement and get out. We don't need to continue an unconstitutional war, because "allies."
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Post by petep on Feb 3, 2021 17:56:18 GMT
Let’s do a review here.
What all seem to be missing is trump pulled many trips out of Syria to lower our footprint there.
We heard loudly from the left that he was a horrible move and the Kurds would be annihilated within a month, guaranteed
Obviously the Kurd autonomous zone remained without us. And my bet is now security will go back up in the area - read us troops.
This was a great success of trumps. And the left was dead wrong here
But we may be going backwards with this deal. But may need the oil.
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Post by demos on Feb 3, 2021 19:04:16 GMT
Obviously the Kurd autonomous zone remained without us. This was a great success of trumps. And the left was dead wrong here Trump didn't withdraw troops from NE Syria; we're still there. We also continue to have the base at Al Tanf. We don't. In fact, the Kurds are selling the oil to Assad's regime.
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Post by demos on Feb 12, 2021 21:45:13 GMT
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Post by demos on Mar 9, 2021 17:27:25 GMT
SourceOh really? Somehow I doubt we'll actually pursue any policy of rapprochement.
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Post by petep on Mar 9, 2021 18:00:01 GMT
It sure would be nice if we didn’t have to be there
I’m not sure if that will ever happen.
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Post by MojoJojo on Mar 9, 2021 19:18:48 GMT
It sure would be nice if we didn’t have to be there I’m not sure if that will ever happen. We don't HAVE to be there. We went by choice, stayed by choice and can leave by choice. The big boy geopolitical thinkers (who operate in the perfect vacuum of theory) and the war profiteers are the ONLY folk making this a hard "choice" with there "hold the line", "it's too soon", "we'll lose all the gains" and every other sunk cost argument. Biden needs to do what Trump couldn't, make a decision and stick to it.
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Post by demos on Mar 11, 2021 16:20:46 GMT
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Post by petep on Mar 11, 2021 16:25:25 GMT
Imagine if carter had not stopped nuclear power.
We’d be saying Middle East who?
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Post by archie on Mar 11, 2021 21:55:36 GMT
Let’s do a review here. What all seem to be missing is trump pulled many trips out of Syria to lower our footprint there. We heard loudly from the left that he was a horrible move and the Kurds would be annihilated within a month, guaranteed Obviously the Kurd autonomous zone remained without us. And my bet is now security will go back up in the area - read us troops. This was a great success of trumps. And the left was dead wrong here But we may be going backwards with this deal. But may need the oil. We would not need their oil if bingo quid pro quo open border joe didn't shut off our oil faucet. And then on top of that, he did this. Biden’s move was both political theater and an indulgence of his liberal base. But his hypocrisy was stunning even for a politician who has spent a half-century in Washington. Consider that while the Biden administration is killing a pipeline from which the public could benefit, Biden is promoting a pipeline to enrich both one of the world’s worst dictatorships and a group responsible for thousands of U.S. deaths. The government has apparently brokered a meeting between the Turkmenistan government and the Taliban for a trans-Afghanistan pipeline to bring Turkmen gas across Afghanistan and Pakistan to India. If this scheme sounds familiar, it should: It was the same deal that now-Special Envoy Zalmay Khalilzad sought to make with the Taliban in the years before the Sept. 11 terror attacks when he was a consultant for the Unocal Corporation. Khalilzad’s scheme was bad policy two decades ago, and it is even worse now. Put aside environmental arguments and consider profit. Freedom House’s latest Freedom in the World report ranks Turkmenistan as among the world’s worst offenders, below even North Korea in terms of freedom and civil liberties. To promote the export of Turkmen gas is to entrench its regime even further. Part of the deal is then paying the Taliban protection money or transit fees for the pipeline transiting Afghan territory. Not only would this undermine the elected Afghanistan government even further, but it would also reward the Taliban for insurgency to the tune of tens of millions of dollars each month. Who needs Russian bounties on U.S. soldiers when the State Department has crafted a scheme to reward the Taliban beyond their wildest dreams? One issue here is Khalilzad's penchant for using diplomacy as a stepping stone to cut side deals. But the other issue is U.S. strategic interests. Perhaps a misunderstanding of the Taliban agenda was an excuse 20 years ago. It should not be one now. If the Biden administration says no to pipeline jobs in the Midwest, it should not then turn around and help enrich the Taliban to ship Turkmen gas to the Indian Ocean. It is time for Secretary of State Antony Blinken to call his envoy, end this hypocrisy, and stop coddling some of the world’s most anti-American movements. Michael Rubin (@mrubin1971) is a contributor to the Washington Examiner's Beltway Confidential blog. He is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a former Pentagon official.
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Post by demos on Mar 11, 2021 22:01:03 GMT
We would not need their oil if bingo quid pro quo open border joe didn't shut off our oil faucet. 1) We get no oil from Syria. 2) We're still producing oil and gas here. And lol at Rubin complaining about a trans-Afghanistan pipeline enriching a dictatorship in Turkmenistan, especially given our support for the Saudis, UAE, etc.
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Post by demos on Apr 16, 2021 17:07:03 GMT
SourceGreat. If these Congressmen think this is a priority, then pass authorization for U.S. troops to be there for this purpose; however, it seems like we haven't learned much over the past 20 years if they're still advocating regime change policies. As it stands, we're there illegally, and our involvement has been a destabilizing factor. We also don't have a compelling national interest in the overthrow of Assad imo.
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Post by petep on Apr 16, 2021 17:13:27 GMT
Anything we can do to become independent of much of the Middle East would be positive.
Focus our resources here.
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