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Post by Lomelis on Nov 18, 2024 19:55:23 GMT
He desires to be a fool, to be mocked and laughed at. I'm a humanitarian at heart so it is my duty to give him what he wants and craves, negative attention and derision. He will respond to this with animal porn in order to be laughed at even more. I am still waiting for you to answer my questions, Shitbag. You ran away once you got rekt. Gonna come back? I'm going to answer your questions even though they are dumb and irrelevant to the conversation: NeanderTard asked: "Do you think their intent was to remain there, dipshit? Why do you think they would want to seize a fucking airhead, dipshit?" The initial goal of the major Russian invasion was to quickly force the collapse of the Ukrainian government and install a puppet government. They attempted to do this by seizing key cities and regions and encircling and cutting off the capital. If the plan worked then obviously they would be providing direct military aid to the new government and help it to crush any local dissent. Their plan didn't work so they moved on to a new plan with new goals. Your brain damage prevents you from learning, adapting, and adjusting or even outright completely changing goals and you assume that everyone else has the same mental deficiencies that you have. NeanderTard asked: "do you think Marines are ever going to make a direct assault over the beach if they don't have to, or will they use their Ospreys? Why do you think it might be a good idea to have an intact airport, dumbshit?" No, Marines aren't going to do an amphibious assault if there are less riskier ways to meet the mission objectives. Seizing an existing an airport serves two main purposes. It makes it more difficult for an opponent to receive outside assistance as well allows the aggressor to use the airport for its own purposes like bringing in it's own troops and supplies. Now that I've answered your retarded questions let's get back to where you get this moronic idea that Russia has only seized 14 square kilometers....Blahahahahaha  |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 18, 2024 20:31:55 GMT
It was predictable and weak. It was a riding the fence approach providing enough weaponry and intelligence to keep them from being completely overrun but not providing enough to effectively push Russia out early in the war. There hasn't been enough pressure on either side to come to the table to negotiate and there has been an unwillingness to negotiate directly with Russia about Ukrainian entry into NATO. I'm not sure if people are really paying attention to what's going on over there right now but Ukrainian is losing along the eastern lines. Russia is steadily taking eastern Ukraine a mile at a time and Ukraine has a massive manpower shortage. It can't get enough people to fight. www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-took-196-square-km-ukraine-last-week-agentstvo-media-says-2024-10-29/deepstatemap.live/en#8/49.2552575/35.5847168The map can be used to watch how Russia has been picking Ukraine apart. Again, what should Biden have done differently? The libertarian faction thinks he should have let Ukraine stand, then fall, on its own, to save lives. The left and old right believe he should have given MORE arms, sooner, and with less restrictions. Both with the intention of ending the war sooner. Basically what Demos said on the diplomatic front but they should have also pushed for a full mobilization of Ukrainian manpower from the very beginning, pressured western Europe to provide way more assistance than they have so far, and not placed any restrictions on the use of western weapons. Regardless, it's really too late now. At this point the only way that Ukraine can dislodge Russian forces is with direct American military involvement, American boots on the ground fighting on the front lines and that just isn't going to happen which means that Ukraine cannot win. Negotiate a peace, accept a loss of territory, and live to fight another day. |
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Post by thor on Nov 18, 2024 21:33:33 GMT
 Check the source you cited, dumbass. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? None of my sources say anything about 14 square kilometers. It's like you just pulled this random number from your ass and are too stupid to let it go. The fact is Russia has taken way more land than that, even subtracting Crimea and the Donbass region that they've basically controlled since 2014. Goddamn your dumb. You still haven't figured this shit out yet? How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? |
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Post by thor on Nov 18, 2024 21:36:05 GMT
I am still waiting for you to answer my questions, Shitbag. You ran away once you got rekt. Gonna come back? I'm going to answer your questions even though they are dumb and irrelevant to the conversation: NeanderTard asked: "Do you think their intent was to remain there, dipshit? Why do you think they would want to seize a fucking airhead, dipshit?" The initial goal of the major Russian invasion was to quickly force the collapse of the Ukrainian government and install a puppet government. They attempted to do this by seizing key cities and regions and encircling and cutting off the capital. If the plan worked then obviously they would be providing direct military aid to the new government and help it to crush any local dissent. Their plan didn't work so they moved on to a new plan with new goals. Your brain damage prevents you from learning, adapting, and adjusting or even outright completely changing goals and you assume that everyone else has the same mental deficiencies that you have. NeanderTard asked: "do you think Marines are ever going to make a direct assault over the beach if they don't have to, or will they use their Ospreys? Why do you think it might be a good idea to have an intact airport, dumbshit?" No, Marines aren't going to do an amphibious assault if there are less riskier ways to meet the mission objectives. Seizing an existing an airport serves two main purposes. It makes it more difficult for an opponent to receive outside assistance as well allows the aggressor to use the airport for its own purposes like bringing in it's own troops and supplies. Now that I've answered your retarded questions let's get back to where you get this moronic idea that Russia has only seized 14 square kilometers....Blahahahahaha Shitbag ran to 'research'. And end up proving my point. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? |
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Post by demos on Nov 19, 2024 16:06:42 GMT
Thought there was a thread on Biden giving Ukraine permission to use long-range missiles, but maybe not. Anyway:
Not sure why we did this now. Our own officials are saying this won't alter the battlefield situation: "U.S. officials said they do not believe that the decision will change the course of the war." ( New York Times) And part of the reason why is "because they said the U.S. Army had limited supplies." So, we're not going to give them enough to have a significant impact. At best, it halts the current Russian advance in Ukraine and freezes the lines. |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 18:28:21 GMT
None of my sources say anything about 14 square kilometers. It's like you just pulled this random number from your ass and are too stupid to let it go. The fact is Russia has taken way more land than that, even subtracting Crimea and the Donbass region that they've basically controlled since 2014. Goddamn your dumb. You still haven't figured this shit out yet? How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? Lmao...14 square kilometers...that's all you thought the Russians had taken. Blahahahahahaha Let's repeat that. 14 square kilometers. Hahahaha |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 18:30:59 GMT
I'm going to answer your questions even though they are dumb and irrelevant to the conversation: NeanderTard asked: "Do you think their intent was to remain there, dipshit? Why do you think they would want to seize a fucking airhead, dipshit?" The initial goal of the major Russian invasion was to quickly force the collapse of the Ukrainian government and install a puppet government. They attempted to do this by seizing key cities and regions and encircling and cutting off the capital. If the plan worked then obviously they would be providing direct military aid to the new government and help it to crush any local dissent. Their plan didn't work so they moved on to a new plan with new goals. Your brain damage prevents you from learning, adapting, and adjusting or even outright completely changing goals and you assume that everyone else has the same mental deficiencies that you have. NeanderTard asked: "do you think Marines are ever going to make a direct assault over the beach if they don't have to, or will they use their Ospreys? Why do you think it might be a good idea to have an intact airport, dumbshit?" No, Marines aren't going to do an amphibious assault if there are less riskier ways to meet the mission objectives. Seizing an existing an airport serves two main purposes. It makes it more difficult for an opponent to receive outside assistance as well allows the aggressor to use the airport for its own purposes like bringing in it's own troops and supplies. Now that I've answered your retarded questions let's get back to where you get this moronic idea that Russia has only seized 14 square kilometers....Blahahahahaha Shitbag ran to 'research'. And end up proving my point. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? Your point was that anytime a foreign military strikes a city or region then it intends to take that city or region. Your brain damage has caused you to forget the idiotic point that you made. Lol. |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 18:38:49 GMT
Thought there was a thread on Biden giving Ukraine permission to use long-range missiles, but maybe not. Anyway:
Not sure why we did this now. Our own officials are saying this won't alter the battlefield situation: "U.S. officials said they do not believe that the decision will change the course of the war." ( New York Times) And part of the reason why is "because they said the U.S. Army had limited supplies." So, we're not going to give them enough to have a significant impact. At best, it halts the current Russian advance in Ukraine and freezes the lines. It could have been a useful chip at the bargaining table. |
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Post by thor on Nov 20, 2024 18:59:37 GMT
Shitbag ran to 'research'. And end up proving my point. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? Your point was that anytime a foreign military strikes a city or region then it intends to take that city or region. Your brain damage has caused you to forget the idiotic point that you made. Lol. Still flailing. Poor Shitbag. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? |
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 19:01:22 GMT
Your point was that anytime a foreign military strikes a city or region then it intends to take that city or region. Your brain damage has caused you to forget the idiotic point that you made. Lol. Still flailing. Poor Shitbag. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? 14 square kilometers. LMAO. |
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Post by thor on Nov 20, 2024 19:18:47 GMT
Again, what should Biden have done differently? Should've tried negotiations in November/December 2021. Could've made an offer to take NATO membership off the table (that's still not happening despite all the talk), and let him keep Crimea and either let Donbas become a breakaway region or let it be annexed (Ukraine was never getting that back; they'd been trying for ~8 years before 2022).
For example, something that was suggested in November 2021:
"Where the United States does have significant leverage is with Ukraine — and this leverage is largely untapped. Rather than focusing only on coercing Russia, the Biden administration should also push Kyiv to take steps toward implementing its obligations under the Minsk II agreement, which Ukraine has shown little desire to do since the deal was brokered six years ago. Ukrainian steps toward complying with the agreement, flawed as it is, might actually invite de-escalation from Russia and reinvigorate the languishing peace process... But the bargain has never been realized on the ground. Ukraine has resisted entreaties to implement the political provisions of Minsk II. For example, rather than adopt a new constitution codifying new powers for Russia’s Donbas allies, the Ukrainian parliament passed a constitutional amendment enshrining the strategic goal of NATO and EU membership. Russia has taken advantage of Ukraine’s foot-dragging to justify its ongoing refusal to fulfill its side of the bargain." ( Source)
Maybe that works, or maybe it doesn't. We'll never know because it wasn't tried.
Instead, EVERYONE has led Ukraine along into a war no one else wanted to fight while covering their own asses. New story from Bloomberg this morning:
France’s LNG Imports From Russia Hit Record With German Help
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Post by thor on Nov 20, 2024 19:19:57 GMT
Still flailing. Poor Shitbag. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? 14 square kilometers. LMAO. Attacking the Kyiv without the intent to remove and replace the government. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? |
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Post by demos on Nov 20, 2024 19:35:01 GMT
War is war and business is business. You don't understand that? Do you understand that these natural gas purchases are helping fund Russia's war? In 2023: "These sales generated an estimated €8.2 billion for 20 bcm in 2023, financing the Russian war effort." ( Source) And it's not limited to natural gas either:
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Post by petep on Nov 20, 2024 19:37:13 GMT
War is war and business is business. You don't understand that? Do you understand that these natural gas purchases are helping fund Russia's war? And it's not limited to natural gas either:
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Post by Lomelis on Nov 20, 2024 19:57:27 GMT
14 square kilometers. LMAO. Attacking the Kyiv without the intent to remove and replace the government. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? Lmao. I literally said that was their intent. You can't read. 14 square kilometers...you still believe that. Blahahaha |
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Post by demos on Nov 20, 2024 21:37:44 GMT
Not sure why we did this now. Our own officials are saying this won't alter the battlefield situation: "U.S. officials said they do not believe that the decision will change the course of the war." ( New York Times) And part of the reason why is "because they said the U.S. Army had limited supplies." So, we're not going to give them enough to have a significant impact. At best, it halts the current Russian advance in Ukraine and freezes the lines. , Ukraine probably has less than 50 of the ATACMS. |
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Post by thor on Nov 20, 2024 21:46:14 GMT
Attacking the Kyiv without the intent to remove and replace the government. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? Lmao. I literally said that was their intent. You can't read. 14 square kilometers...you still believe that. Blahahaha Shitbag - too stupid to understand when he is being mocked. How many Marines went without due to your stupidity and incompetence, Shitbag? |
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