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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 12, 2024 17:36:33 GMT
Dave, you're nothing but an animal, functioning on instinct. It's why it's so easy for me to make fun of a cowardly French nigaud like you. You're demented, you're confusing the inside of your head (where there's plenty of room thanks to you micro-brain) with the real world. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 17:48:20 GMT
My opinion of them. Do you deny they are convicted criminals? Freon You're allergic to context, aren't you? Someone who jaywalks is a "convicted criminal". Alexei Navalny was a "convicted criminal". Many Patriots in the American Revolution were "convicted criminals". And pardons aren't usually issued to innocent bystanders.
The book was thrown at people who were charged was nothing more than trespassing. A grandmother who hurt no one, damaged nothing and spent minutes in the Capitol was jailed.
To correct the government's abuse of the justice system, to crush to idea of jailing political prisoners like a banana republic and to send a message to the left that weaponization will not be tolerated, every non-violent J6 protester should be pardoned.
Your opinion. The ONLY reason he will release these convicted criminals who did far more than jaywalk (nice try), is loyalty. And that IS how fascism creeps into our Democracy. Fascism does not happen overnight, Paleo. It slowly creeps into an existing government, and by the time people actually call it Fascism, it's too late. People like you allow Fascism to creep in. People like me raise awareness to prevent it. Freon |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 17:50:50 GMT
I appreciate your sharing your perspective. Question. Do you still believe the polls, considering this last cycle? Freon
Here is the Real Clear Politics poll average and who won each state:
Arizona, RCP: Trump +2.8, Trump won Nevada, RCP: Trump +0.6, Trump won Wisconsin, RCP: Harris +0.4, Trump won (but this one was pretty close down to the wire) Michigan, RCP: Harris +0.5, Trump won (also close down to the wire) Pennsylvania, RCP: Trump +0.4, Trump won North Carolina, RCP: Trump +1.2, Trump won Georgia, RCP: Trump +1.3, Trump won
In every state where Trump had the polling average advantage, he won. And the two where he didn't were basically toss ups; as were some of the state's he won - this was a really close election (Trump won by narrow margins in Wisconsin and Michigan).
So, once again, the state polling was pretty on point.
And just to look back, here is my post to you about Trump flipping Arizona and probably Pennsylvania and Georgia. (I was wrong that the EC results would be narrower than 2020).
I will say that Selzer embarrassed themselves in Iowa.
Those first ones you listed look like they were within the margin of error. To me, that means they say nothing. And what about those same polls months back, where I questioned their validity? Do you still think those were accurate? Freon |
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Post by demos on Nov 12, 2024 18:00:00 GMT
Those first ones you listed look like they were within the margin of error. To me, that means they say nothing. And what about those same polls months back, where I questioned their validity? Do you still think those were accurate? Freon They were all within the margin of error. But do that math and compare them to the results; the only state where Trump had a much bigger lead than the polling indicated was Arizona (~6 pts).
As pointed out then and now, the state polling has been more reliable than the national polling. We also don't have a national popular vote, so looking at national polls is kind of pointless when those polls are within the margin of error (as they were).
This was a close election. Trump won Wisconsin by 31,351 votes.
1) A poll is a snapshot in time; pay attention to trends, not individual polls.
2) Look for polls of likely voters; these are usually more accurate. There are sites that grade the accuracy of polling outlets.
3) In the Presidential election, pay attention to polls in the swing states. For example, look at the Battleground State polling in 2016. Trump was ahead in Arizona; won it. Florida; won. Georgia; won. Iowa; won. North Carolina; won. Ohio; won. Wisconsin; won. The only state where he had a lead in the poll average and lost was Nevada (US Election Atlas). So, the national polls were less accurate, but the state polling seems to have performed better.
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 18:05:19 GMT
Those first ones you listed look like they were within the margin of error. To me, that means they say nothing. And what about those same polls months back, where I questioned their validity? Do you still think those were accurate? Freon They were all within the margin of error. But do that math and compare them to the results; the only state where Trump had a much bigger lead than the polling indicated was Arizona (~6 pts).
As pointed out then and now, the state polling has been more reliable than the national polling. We also don't have a national popular vote, so looking at national polls is kind of pointless when those polls are within the margin of error (as they were).
This was a close election. Trump won Wisconsin by 31,351 votes.
1) A poll is a snapshot in time; pay attention to trends, not individual polls.
2) Look for polls of likely voters; these are usually more accurate. There are sites that grade the accuracy of polling outlets.
3) In the Presidential election, pay attention to polls in the swing states. For example, look at the Battleground State polling in 2016. Trump was ahead in Arizona; won it. Florida; won. Georgia; won. Iowa; won. North Carolina; won. Ohio; won. Wisconsin; won. The only state where he had a lead in the poll average and lost was Nevada (US Election Atlas). So, the national polls were less accurate, but the state polling seems to have performed better.
I understand that they are merely snapshots in time. The trend I see is that election to election, accuracy of polling is decreasing. And I believe that as we become a more digital/mail-in voting populace, it will continue that trend. Freon |
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Post by demos on Nov 12, 2024 18:09:40 GMT
I understand that they are merely snapshots in time. The trend I see is that election to election, accuracy of polling is decreasing.And I believe that as we become a more digital/mail-in voting populace, it will continue that trend. Freon You could maybe say that about national polls, but on the state level, that's not the case and hasn't been the case in the last 3 elections (2016, 2020, and 2024). |
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Post by petep on Nov 12, 2024 18:10:15 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon It’s interesting how you can’t see the problem with trespassers taking selfies getting sentences that violent felons get. Now for someone who assaults an officer. Punish them the same sentence as any other who does the same. But 19 years is excessive. By a lot. |
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Post by queshank on Nov 12, 2024 18:13:51 GMT
/eyeroll
Speaking of pissing on legs.
We're talking about crime ... you set the context ... and you try to slip in a "violent crime" change of topic.
You really are a Democrat through and through ain'tcha?
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This is evidence that Q is completely unable to critically think.
And ^^ is evidence that Autreyu has no clue what critical thinking is.
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 20:34:55 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon It’s interesting how you can’t see the problem with trespassers taking selfies getting sentences that violent felons get. Now for someone who assaults an officer. Punish them the same sentence as any other who does the same. But 19 years is excessive. By a lot. So it sounds like you will honor some of the sentences. He's going to release them all, though. What will you say then? Freon |
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Post by petep on Nov 12, 2024 20:59:30 GMT
It’s interesting how you can’t see the problem with trespassers taking selfies getting sentences that violent felons get. Now for someone who assaults an officer. Punish them the same sentence as any other who does the same. But 19 years is excessive. By a lot. So it sounds like you will honor some of the sentences. He's going to release them all, though. What will you say then? Freon Anyone who assaulted another should be punished. Whatever the punishment one would get in any similar situation. But someone who followed the crowd into the capitol and didn’t assault anyone. Nonissue setting them free after all they went thru. |
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Post by HolyMoly on Nov 12, 2024 22:10:26 GMT
I'm sure keeping out of jail was one of Trumpy's main motives for running again. He was lucky enough to have a lot of help from a number of judges. Yep. If he hadn't won, he'd be going to jail sometime in 2025. He'd have been tried and sentenced on the attempts to overturn the last election and for his taking and refusing to return (for a year and a half) highly classified government documents. Today is the day the little shithead Air National Guard from MA who copied and posted classified government documents on some internet chat forum. The government is asking for 17 years. I wonder if trump will pardon the kid. It's nice to have good friends in high places. Even a highly talented conman like Donny needs a bit of luck. His attorneys are now asking for his NY criminal conviction to be overturned. |
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 22:12:02 GMT
Two people come to rob your house. One of them did the "breaking and entering", the other one shouldn't be charged because LOL "THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING".
Fucking Christ your dumb.
Where did I say no one should be charged? You can't help but lie, can you, boy? So they should be charged and then.... what? Go on.....
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 22:13:57 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon It’s interesting how you can’t see the problem with trespassers taking selfies getting sentences that violent felons get. Now for someone who assaults an officer. Punish them the same sentence as any other who does the same. But 19 years is excessive. By a lot.
I'm going to guess because it's you that you're leaving on some important context and it wasn't just assulting an officer that got the person 19 years.
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Post by petep on Nov 12, 2024 23:17:06 GMT
Where did I say no one should be charged? You can't help but lie, can you, boy? So they should be charged and then.... what? Go on.....
Yet to watch video evidence of what he did and compare what that large gang of illegals did to the new York officer, did and their brutal beating. He got 19 years. They got set free. It’s one or the other. If beating an officer is 19 years I’m fine with that. But when everyone else across the states does the same and gets a much shorter or even suspended sentence it speaks to clear weaponization of justice. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 23:39:26 GMT
So it sounds like you will honor some of the sentences. He's going to release them all, though. What will you say then? Freon Anyone who assaulted another should be punished. Whatever the punishment one would get in any similar situation. But someone who followed the crowd into the capitol and didn’t assault anyone. Nonissue setting them free after all they went thru. You're not answering my very simple question. He's going to release them all. He's not going to base it on who did what, he's going to base it on loyalty. Like a dictator would. What will you say then? Freon |
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Post by Monster Man on Nov 12, 2024 23:44:25 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon Oh man, I popped back in to see how the liberals on here would melt down after Trump won. You guys are not disappointing! LOL |
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 23:47:28 GMT
Anyone who assaulted another should be punished. Whatever the punishment one would get in any similar situation. But someone who followed the crowd into the capitol and didn’t assault anyone. Nonissue setting them free after all they went thru. You're not answering my very simple question. He's going to release them all. He's not going to base it on who did what, he's going to base it on loyalty. Like a dictator would. What will you say then? Freon
I already went there with someone else.... and their answer it was implied that Trump wouldn't release them all.
LOL
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Post by archie on Nov 13, 2024 13:47:13 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon You sound like you are talking about your giggles. She loved to set criminals free. |
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Post by freonbale on Nov 13, 2024 16:39:00 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon You sound like you are talking about your giggles. She loved to set criminals free. Oh, what convicted criminals did Harris pardon? Freon |
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