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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 12, 2024 0:27:12 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon A lot of people should be pardoned and released. There are 2 million people in prison, many for crimes where a fine would be significantly preferable and more humane. Locking a person in a cage when they aren’t a danger to other citizens or their property is disgusting. The idea that you think releasing people from prison is “fascist” is expected. So you believe people crapping on desks are no danger to other citizens or their property... Did you sniff a can of stupid or something? |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 12, 2024 0:33:02 GMT
A lot of people should be pardoned and released. There are 2 million people in prison, many for crimes where a fine would be significantly preferable and more humane. Locking a person in a cage when they aren’t a danger to other citizens or their property is disgusting. The idea that you think releasing people from prison is “fascist” is expected. This is not about simply pardoning people, nor is it about our justice system as a whole. And you know it. This is about loyalty. This is about Donald pardoning criminals PURELY because they were loyal to him. THAT, is fascist. The fact that you will distort this into something broader, to cover up the behaviors of the criminal president you chose, is my concern. Freon Trump in his first term actually pardoned or commuted the sentence of a lot of people who wouldn’t fit into your model. How do you deal with that? More fascism? |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 12, 2024 0:34:02 GMT
A lot of people should be pardoned and released. There are 2 million people in prison, many for crimes where a fine would be significantly preferable and more humane. Locking a person in a cage when they aren’t a danger to other citizens or their property is disgusting. The idea that you think releasing people from prison is “fascist” is expected. So you believe people crapping on desks are no danger to other citizens or their property... Did you sniff a can of stupid or something? I think that was one guy. I think a fine would be preferable. It’s not fascism to think that. And there are others who didn’t even do that that have served time in a cage. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 12, 2024 0:34:52 GMT
A lot of people should be pardoned and released. There are 2 million people in prison, many for crimes where a fine would be significantly preferable and more humane. Locking a person in a cage when they aren’t a danger to other citizens or their property is disgusting. The idea that you think releasing people from prison is “fascist” is expected.
Yeah and we should definitely start releasing Jan 6th people who were violent offenders.
That's reasonable.
I didn’t say that. But have fun with whatever you want. The ones that assaulted people deserve time. Not sure how much. It’s been a few years now. |
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 0:43:46 GMT
A lot of people should be pardoned and released. There are 2 million people in prison, many for crimes where a fine would be significantly preferable and more humane. Locking a person in a cage when they aren’t a danger to other citizens or their property is disgusting. The idea that you think releasing people from prison is “fascist” is expected. So you believe people crapping on desks are no danger to other citizens or their property... Did you sniff a can of stupid or something?
He sure did. Now he's backtracking.
At least there's a touch of sane thinking left... granted, not much.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 0:45:05 GMT
Yeah and we should definitely start releasing Jan 6th people who were violent offenders.
That's reasonable.
I didn’t say that. But have fun with whatever you want. The ones that assaulted people deserve time. Not sure how much. It’s been a few years now.
So which ones do you think Trump was referring to?
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 12, 2024 0:45:37 GMT
So you believe people crapping on desks are no danger to other citizens or their property... Did you sniff a can of stupid or something? I think that was one guy. I think a fine would be preferable. It’s not fascism to think that. And there are others who didn’t even do that that have served time in a cage. Jail is more just than fines, a fine won't have the same impact on a rich or on a poor person, jail time will. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 12, 2024 0:54:10 GMT
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 12, 2024 0:55:23 GMT
I think that was one guy. I think a fine would be preferable. It’s not fascism to think that. And there are others who didn’t even do that that have served time in a cage. Jail is more just than fines, a fine won't have the same impact on a rich or on a poor person, jail time will. Putting humans in cages for “crimes” that don’t harm people is akin to enslaving them. Worse in some ways. |
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 1:07:34 GMT
We'll see won't we?
I'll make my bet that he just lets them all rot. It doesn't benefit Trump in any way.
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Post by atreyu on Nov 12, 2024 1:08:05 GMT
Jail is more just than fines, a fine won't have the same impact on a rich or on a poor person, jail time will. Putting humans in cages for “crimes” that don’t harm people is akin to enslaving them. Worse in some ways. How do you rationalize that with putting children in cages?
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Post by HolyMoly on Nov 12, 2024 1:14:21 GMT
Jail birds get "get out of jail free cards"... It's like your "republic" has become a fucking game of monopoly... I'm sure keeping out of jail was one of Trumpy's main motives for running again. He was lucky enough to have a lot of help from a number of judges. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Nov 12, 2024 1:35:42 GMT
Putting humans in cages for “crimes” that don’t harm people is akin to enslaving them. Worse in some ways. How do you rationalize that with putting children in cages?
I suppose for the same reasons I would for adults. If they are a danger to others or, at least temporarily, to keep them secure from being harmed. |
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Post by DaveJavu on Nov 12, 2024 1:44:12 GMT
Jail is more just than fines, a fine won't have the same impact on a rich or on a poor person, jail time will. Putting humans in cages for “crimes” that don’t harm people is akin to enslaving them. Worse in some ways. I disagree. When I was in the army, people got jail time for very small offenses. Of course it was very short periods, four days, a week, a month for repeat offenders and it was army jail, which is different from civilian jail because there's no stigma attached to it, except of course that you probably won't get any promotions.
Besides, a fine is also slavery, because you had to work for that money and so you did all this work for nothing. Working for nothing, is that not slavery?
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Post by demos on Nov 12, 2024 2:06:56 GMT
Pretty sure it wasn't "a step closer to fascism;" it was " Yes, Donald is a fascist" (and his first term was already fascist - your words). It is. AND he is. You are confusing the person for the system. Are you willing to state your position on this issue? Or just pick at others, as always... Freon I’ve stated my position quite clearly in the thread I linked to and in other the threads on this same topic. Feel free to actually read my posts. And lol at “you’re confusing the person for the system.” Go back and read that thread where I talk about fascism as a system and you want to focus solely on Trump. Very relevant Paxton quote in there for you. Would be a good refresher for you. |
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Post by johnnybgood on Nov 12, 2024 2:17:36 GMT
Ya, I didn't like this at all.
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Post by thor on Nov 12, 2024 4:32:14 GMT
So Presidential Pardons granted by the President of the United States with the full power to grant said pardon is now considered "A step closer to Fascism?"  |
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Post by thor on Nov 12, 2024 4:33:12 GMT
Those Jan 6 insurrectionists, even though found guilty of breaking our laws, will be set free. They will NOT be found innocent. They will simply be let free, even though they are guilty of crime, because a criminal now is in charge. It will not stop there. If he will set them free, he cares more for loyalty than for the law. And that means that YOU care about loyalty over the law. A step closer to fascism, exactly as we've been saying. Freon
The fascism is them being in jail.
What now?
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Post by queshank on Nov 12, 2024 4:42:01 GMT
The fascism is them being in jail.
What now?
Queshank
Hi. It's me. You might have accidentally clicked respond to me thinking it was someone else?
"The police used to watch over the people. Now they're watching the people." - Me since my first day posting on LNF in 2002.
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Post by freonbale on Nov 12, 2024 5:23:56 GMT
This is not about simply pardoning people, nor is it about our justice system as a whole. And you know it. This is about loyalty. This is about Donald pardoning criminals PURELY because they were loyal to him. THAT, is fascist. The fact that you will distort this into something broader, to cover up the behaviors of the criminal president you chose, is my concern. Freon Trump in his first term actually pardoned or commuted the sentence of a lot of people who wouldn’t fit into your model. How do you deal with that? More fascism? Why do you keep trying to change the subject? Donald is going to pardon criminals, purely because they were loyal to him. And rather than be appalled by that, you find reasons to accept and excuse it. You should condemn it, but you will not, because you AGREE with him doing it. Freon |
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