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Post by queshank on Oct 18, 2024 14:24:45 GMT
Except those countries that immigrants are coming from are *also* declining in population.
Are you sure the MAGA GOP doesn't want legal immigrants? I remember when Stephen Miller proposed a system that was to the left of most Western countries and was called a nazi for it. (Somehow Canada and all those European countries escape criticism ... like they do on their 14/15 week abortion bans.)
I think you're engaging in some Democrat style misinformation there.
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1) What's the point of saying other countries have declining populations? The stars around "also" make it seem like there's something to this point but I can't see it. If the US has a declining population, immigration is a help even if the country these folks are leaving from *also* has population problems. 2) Look into the RAISE Act, the bill sought to reduce levels of legal immigration to the United States by 50% by halving the number of green cards issued. I think you've gone full MAGA and don't know which end is up.
The RAISE act is one of the examples of immigration law that is to the left of draconian immigration systems like Canada's. Or like the one limey² is consistently championing in Australia.
I think your propaganda based information gathering needs to broaden its scope.
Queshank
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Post by queshank on Oct 18, 2024 14:36:35 GMT
Y'know ... immigration and the problems it causes in black employment is very topical for this thread.
I'm glad it keeps getting brought up in a thread discussing why blacks HAVE to vote for Kamala.
Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence -- although no consensus -- that a rising tide of immigration is partly to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.
The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell
precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose
markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black
employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a
strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black
incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a
particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined,
and the incarceration rate rose.
This thread is doing a great job of illustrating why black men should not be voting for Democrats.
Queshank
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 18, 2024 16:45:32 GMT
1) What's the point of saying other countries have declining populations? The stars around "also" make it seem like there's something to this point but I can't see it. If the US has a declining population, immigration is a help even if the country these folks are leaving from *also* has population problems. 2) Look into the RAISE Act, the bill sought to reduce levels of legal immigration to the United States by 50% by halving the number of green cards issued. I think you've gone full MAGA and don't know which end is up.
The RAISE act is one of the examples of immigration law that is to the left of draconian immigration systems like Canada's. Or like the one limey² is consistently championing in Australia.
Queshank
Whether that is true or not the point is it is an attempt to reduce legal immigration, which is the wrong approach if we actually have a population crisis. |
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Post by queshank on Oct 19, 2024 21:38:26 GMT
The RAISE act is one of the examples of immigration law that is to the left of draconian immigration systems like Canada's. Or like the one limey² is consistently championing in Australia.
Queshank
Whether that is true or not the point is it is an attempt to reduce legal immigration, which is the wrong approach if we actually have a population crisis.
This is only true if we buy the idea (and nobody with any thought into it does) that a short term bandaid is a serious fix for a culture that worships self, denigrates parenthood especially motherhood, demonizes the unborn as "parasites" and criminalizes what it is to be a human being.
To tie this into black folks and specifically men ... can you believe this is a real article written at a major news outlet? It's almost an argument for why black men shouldn't continue to support Democrat culture and what it's doing to them and what it's already done to their families as has been shown repeatedly through this thread.
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 19, 2024 23:07:48 GMT
Whether that is true or not the point is it is an attempt to reduce legal immigration, which is the wrong approach if we actually have a population crisis.
This is only true if we buy the idea (and nobody with any thought into it does) that a short term bandaid is a serious fix for a culture that worships self, denigrates parenthood especially motherhood, demonizes the unborn as "parasites" and criminalizes what it is to be a human being.
To tie this into black folks and specifically men ... can you believe this is a real article written at a major news outlet? It's almost an argument for why black men shouldn't continue to support Democrat culture and what it's doing to them and what it's already done to their families as has been shown repeatedly through this thread.
Queshank
The problem with MAGA is the you confuse social issues with policies. Ain’t a damn thing the government can do or should do about what the Met Gala does |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 20, 2024 15:59:09 GMT
Whether that is true or not the point is it is an attempt to reduce legal immigration, which is the wrong approach if we actually have a population crisis.
This is only true if we buy the idea (and nobody with any thought into it does) that a short term bandaid is a serious fix for a culture that worships self, denigrates parenthood especially motherhood, demonizes the unborn as "parasites" and criminalizes what it is to be a human being.
To tie this into black folks and specifically men ... can you believe this is a real article written at a major news outlet? It's almost an argument for why black men shouldn't continue to support Democrat culture and what it's doing to them and what it's already done to their families as has been shown repeatedly through this thread.
Queshank
This is not the same Q I knew. That first paragraph, yikes. We denigrate motherhood? Demonize the unborn? Criminalize humans? WTF? The 2nd paragraph. Double yikes. Just what do you take issue with here? |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 20, 2024 16:06:56 GMT
Y'know ... immigration and the problems it causes in black employment is very topical for this thread.
I'm glad it keeps getting brought up in a thread discussing why blacks HAVE to vote for Kamala.
Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence -- although no consensus -- that a rising tide of immigration is partly to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.
The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell
precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose
markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black
employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a
strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black
incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a
particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined,
and the incarceration rate rose.
This thread is doing a great job of illustrating why black men should not be voting for Democrats.
Queshank
Immigration, like free trade, and markets without barriers to entry, are not without stories of people who "got the short end of the stick." That's always going to happen no matter what policy we pursue. The question is, which policy framework gets us the best outcome? And what do we do to help those who need it? It's clear that race is an underlying factor here. White low skilled workers didn't face the same increase in unemployment or incarceration following a change in immigration. The effects were muted. That's where the story is. And it is connected to the final point I have put in bold, that this study could not explain all of the employment and incarceration effects it noted, and could only explain some of them through the immigration variable. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 20, 2024 19:18:38 GMT
Y'know ... immigration and the problems it causes in black employment is very topical for this thread.
I'm glad it keeps getting brought up in a thread discussing why blacks HAVE to vote for Kamala.
Almost everybody knows that in the past 40 years, the real wages and job prospects for low-skilled men, especially low-skilled minority workers, have fallen. And there is evidence -- although no consensus -- that a rising tide of immigration is partly to blame. Now, a new NBER study suggests that immigration has more far-reaching consequences than merely depressing wages and lowering employment rates of low-skilled African-American males: its effects also appear to push some would-be workers into crime and, later, into prison.
The employment rate of black men, and particularly of low-skill black men, fell
precipitously from 1960 to 2000. At the same time, the incarceration rate of black men rose
markedly. This paper examines the relation between immigration and these trends in black
employment and incarceration. Using data drawn from the 1960-2000 U.S. Censuses, we find a
strong correlation between immigration, black wages, black employment rates, and black
incarceration rates. As immigrants disproportionately increased the supply of workers in a
particular skill group, the wage of black workers in that group fell, the employment rate declined,
and the incarceration rate rose.
This thread is doing a great job of illustrating why black men should not be voting for Democrats.
Queshank
Immigration, like free trade, and markets without barriers to entry, are not without stories of people who "got the short end of the stick." That's always going to happen no matter what policy we pursue. The question is, which policy framework gets us the best outcome? And what do we do to help those who need it? It's clear that race is an underlying factor here. White low skilled workers didn't face the same increase in unemployment or incarceration following a change in immigration. The effects were muted. That's where the story is. And it is connected to the final point I have put in bold, that this study could not explain all of the employment and incarceration effects it noted, and could only explain some of them through the immigration variable. It may not affect white low skilled workers as much as they aren't as concentrated in urban areas where new migrants tend to move into. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 20, 2024 19:28:58 GMT
Immigration, like free trade, and markets without barriers to entry, are not without stories of people who "got the short end of the stick." That's always going to happen no matter what policy we pursue. The question is, which policy framework gets us the best outcome? And what do we do to help those who need it? It's clear that race is an underlying factor here. White low skilled workers didn't face the same increase in unemployment or incarceration following a change in immigration. The effects were muted. That's where the story is. And it is connected to the final point I have put in bold, that this study could not explain all of the employment and incarceration effects it noted, and could only explain some of them through the immigration variable. It may not affect white low skilled workers as much as they aren't as concentrated in urban areas where new migrants tend to move into. No doubt that's an element in the story but I think there's a whole lot going on here that goes well beyond immigration and its impact. I think if we get those other things right the impact of immigration on black employment and incarceration would be negligible, like it is for other groups. The TLDR on this, for me, is that we have a lot of work to do as a society to support the more vulnerable people in our midst. It's not an argument for closing ourselves off to trade, or competition, or capitalism, or private property, or immigration. For that just compounds the problem. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 20, 2024 19:42:47 GMT
It may not affect white low skilled workers as much as they aren't as concentrated in urban areas where new migrants tend to move into. No doubt that's an element in the story but I think there's a whole lot going on here that goes well beyond immigration and its impact. I think if we get those other things right the impact of immigration on black employment and incarceration would be negligible, like it is for other groups. The TLDR on this, for me, is that we have a lot of work to do as a society to support the more vulnerable people in our midst. It's not an argument for closing ourselves off to trade, or competition, or capitalism, or private property, or immigration. For that just compounds the problem. But it is an argument for limiting the immigration of folks who would be competing with our most vulnerable for necessary resources until we have a system in place that can effectively address their needs. The facts are that we don't have enough housing, we aren't building new housing fast enough, our social services are already stressed taking care of poor Americans and in many areas are already overburdened, and millions of new poor immigrants will only compound these issues and make things worse for the poor working class and those heavily reliant on our social welfare system. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 21, 2024 1:14:28 GMT
No doubt that's an element in the story but I think there's a whole lot going on here that goes well beyond immigration and its impact. I think if we get those other things right the impact of immigration on black employment and incarceration would be negligible, like it is for other groups. The TLDR on this, for me, is that we have a lot of work to do as a society to support the more vulnerable people in our midst. It's not an argument for closing ourselves off to trade, or competition, or capitalism, or private property, or immigration. For that just compounds the problem. But it is an argument for limiting the immigration of folks who would be competing with our most vulnerable for necessary resources until we have a system in place that can effectively address their needs. The facts are that we don't have enough housing, we aren't building new housing fast enough, our social services are already stressed taking care of poor Americans and in many areas are already overburdened, and millions of new poor immigrants will only compound these issues and make things worse for the poor working class and those heavily reliant on our social welfare system. I don't think that housing costs or shortages are an immigration story and if we actually went ahead and deported the folks you're talking about, we would probably have a whole new housing shortage problem. I don't see this as an argument for limiting immigration but rather an argument for funding the kinds of supports and programs that would mitigate whatever negative effects we might see. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 22, 2024 17:19:37 GMT
But it is an argument for limiting the immigration of folks who would be competing with our most vulnerable for necessary resources until we have a system in place that can effectively address their needs. The facts are that we don't have enough housing, we aren't building new housing fast enough, our social services are already stressed taking care of poor Americans and in many areas are already overburdened, and millions of new poor immigrants will only compound these issues and make things worse for the poor working class and those heavily reliant on our social welfare system. I don't think that housing costs or shortages are an immigration story and if we actually went ahead and deported the folks you're talking about, we would probably have a whole new housing shortage problem. I don't see this as an argument for limiting immigration but rather an argument for funding the kinds of supports and programs that would mitigate whatever negative effects we might see. If you don't have enough homes and can't build enough homes fast enough then how does immigration not contribute to that problem? It's basic math. Abd by homes I mean anything that someone might call their home. Whether it be a mansion, an apartment, condo, shack or trailer. There is not enough affordable shelter for our population as it is. |
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Post by thor on Oct 22, 2024 20:36:19 GMT
I don't think that housing costs or shortages are an immigration story and if we actually went ahead and deported the folks you're talking about, we would probably have a whole new housing shortage problem. I don't see this as an argument for limiting immigration but rather an argument for funding the kinds of supports and programs that would mitigate whatever negative effects we might see. If you don't have enough homes and can't build enough homes fast enough then how does immigration not contribute to that problem? It's basic math. Abd by homes I mean anything that someone might call their home. Whether it be a mansion, an apartment, condo, shack or trailer. There is not enough affordable shelter for our population as it is. Shitbag can't compete. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 22, 2024 20:48:05 GMT
I don't think that housing costs or shortages are an immigration story and if we actually went ahead and deported the folks you're talking about, we would probably have a whole new housing shortage problem. I don't see this as an argument for limiting immigration but rather an argument for funding the kinds of supports and programs that would mitigate whatever negative effects we might see. If you don't have enough homes and can't build enough homes fast enough then how does immigration not contribute to that problem? It's basic math. Abd by homes I mean anything that someone might call their home. Whether it be a mansion, an apartment, condo, shack or trailer. There is not enough affordable shelter for our population as it is. It doesn't contribute to the problem becomes immigrants are a factor in the production of housing. We can build them fast enough, zoning restrictions and NIMBYism is the main problem. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 26, 2024 18:07:06 GMT
If you don't have enough homes and can't build enough homes fast enough then how does immigration not contribute to that problem? It's basic math. Abd by homes I mean anything that someone might call their home. Whether it be a mansion, an apartment, condo, shack or trailer. There is not enough affordable shelter for our population as it is. Shitbag can't compete. ^ Projection. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 26, 2024 18:15:36 GMT
If you don't have enough homes and can't build enough homes fast enough then how does immigration not contribute to that problem? It's basic math. Abd by homes I mean anything that someone might call their home. Whether it be a mansion, an apartment, condo, shack or trailer. There is not enough affordable shelter for our population as it is. It doesn't contribute to the problem becomes immigrants are a factor in the production of housing. We can build them fast enough, zoning restrictions and NIMBYism is the main problem. When population growth is outpacing housing supply this is a problem. Obviously population growth will spur and factor into new housing but the fact remains that housing still isn't keeping pace with population growth. But you nailed the issue on the head. It is our own internal policies that are mostly to blame. We need to address this before compounding our societal problems with millions more people who can't afford adequate shelter. |
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Post by petep on Oct 27, 2024 3:36:07 GMT
Generally black men marry whites as a greater percentage than black woman marry white men.
But race doesn’t matter to moderates and conservatives. It drives democrats nuts.
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