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Post by petep on Oct 16, 2024 18:15:46 GMT
The fbi states that almost 75 percent of the massive 18th street gang are illegals. Are those the “immigrants” we want since we know use that euphemism for illegals. You seem to have an affinity for the motte and bailey. Getting you to stick to a single claim is difficult, if not outright impossible. The point is claiming all these illegals pouring across is “good” is stupid. When this is pointed out the pushback by you morons is “oh, so you are against immigrants?” What??? We have no idea who they are? It shows complete and utter incompetence by the feds. It’s shows we are not a country with law and order. And this is all so far from the thread. The real issue here is why is Obama making black males feel like they should be slaves to color. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 16, 2024 18:28:37 GMT
You seem to have an affinity for the motte and bailey. Getting you to stick to a single claim is difficult, if not outright impossible. The point is claiming all these illegals pouring across is “good” is stupid. When this is pointed out the pushback by you morons is “oh, so you are against immigrants?” What??? We have no idea who they are? It shows complete and utter incompetence by the feds. It’s shows we are not a country with law and order. And this is all so far from the thread. The real issue here is why is Obama making black males feel like they should be slaves to color. Kudos for walking away from that silly straw-man. As to illegal immigration, you guys don't get to complain about that after Trump killed a bi-partisan agreement that conservatives and the BP agreed was a huge win. Trump and the RW media are playing politics with immigration. |
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Post by petep on Oct 16, 2024 18:32:04 GMT
The point is claiming all these illegals pouring across is “good” is stupid. When this is pointed out the pushback by you morons is “oh, so you are against immigrants?” What??? We have no idea who they are? It shows complete and utter incompetence by the feds. It’s shows we are not a country with law and order. And this is all so far from the thread. The real issue here is why is Obama making black males feel like they should be slaves to color. Kudos for walking away from that silly straw-man. As to illegal immigration, you guys don't get to complain about that after Trump killed a bi-partisan agreement that conservatives and the BP agreed was a huge win. Trump and the RW media are playing politics with immigration. Wait, trump is in congress? Or holds an official govt position? And why would anyone pass that be bill. Sure it added salary increases. Did nothing to change policy Don’t you find it on the border Union supports trump? Can you think through that. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 16, 2024 18:36:26 GMT
Kudos for walking away from that silly straw-man. As to illegal immigration, you guys don't get to complain about that after Trump killed a bi-partisan agreement that conservatives and the BP agreed was a huge win. Trump and the RW media are playing politics with immigration. Wait, trump is in congress? Or holds an official govt position? And why would anyone pass that be bill. Sure it added salary increases. Did nothing to change policy Don’t you find it on the border Union supports trump? Can you think through that. Trump said he killed it because it made the immigration issue better for the Democrats and because he had a new term he wanted to use in his campaign dealing with crime. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gsR001be-UJust like with the 2020 election, Trump has put his own personal self-interest over what is good for the country. |
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Post by petep on Oct 16, 2024 18:38:28 GMT
Wait, trump is in congress? Or holds an official govt position? And why would anyone pass that be bill. Sure it added salary increases. Did nothing to change policy Don’t you find it on the border Union supports trump? Can you think through that. Trump said he killed it because it made the immigration issue better for the Democrats and because he had a new term he wanted to use in his campaign dealing with crime. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gsR001be-UJust like with the 2020 election, Trump has put his own personal self-interest over what is good for the country. How did trump kill it. What office does he hold? |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 16, 2024 18:56:49 GMT
Trump said he killed it because it made the immigration issue better for the Democrats and because he had a new term he wanted to use in his campaign dealing with crime. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gsR001be-UJust like with the 2020 election, Trump has put his own personal self-interest over what is good for the country. How did trump kill it. What office does he hold? He pressured his party to kill it. You can do that when you lead the party. Don't be coy, Pete. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 16, 2024 19:00:24 GMT
And you prove again that you are incapable of understanding. Good job Wads. 👏 No rebuttal from the dumb ass You admittedly can't even understand the conversation Wads. I have no rebuttal to that. I completely agree. |
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Post by thecitizen on Oct 16, 2024 20:50:43 GMT
No rebuttal from the dumb ass You admittedly can't even understand the conversation Wads. I have no rebuttal to that. I completely agree. I understand the conversation perfectly. You have no response |
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Post by Fiddler on Oct 16, 2024 22:21:25 GMT
No. It’s not. I’m sick of hearing “more immigrants = better” Maybe. Maybe not. It’s akin to saying more employees is always better. Maybe. Maybe not. The right emoloyees under the right conditions is better. "We should empty all the world’s prisons and have them come here then right?" ^ Straw-man on stilts. No one has ever defended this silly idea, let alone me. And yes, more immigrants = better economic outcomes.
LOL.. If p ever runs out of straw .. he'll simply go dark ..
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 16, 2024 22:24:32 GMT
Kudos for walking away from that silly straw-man. As to illegal immigration, you guys don't get to complain about that after Trump killed a bi-partisan agreement that conservatives and the BP agreed was a huge win. Trump and the RW media are playing politics with immigration. Wait, trump is in congress? Or holds an official govt position? And why would anyone pass that be bill. Sure it added salary increases. Did nothing to change policy Don’t you find it on the border Union supports trump? Can you think through that. Stop pretending to be naive. Or is that not an act? Now do the Border Patrol supporting the bill that Trump tanked. |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 16, 2024 22:26:17 GMT
Trump said he killed it because it made the immigration issue better for the Democrats and because he had a new term he wanted to use in his campaign dealing with crime. www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gsR001be-UJust like with the 2020 election, Trump has put his own personal self-interest over what is good for the country. How did trump kill it. What office does he hold? Are you really pretending to be this fucking stupid? You tend to scrape the bottom, but this is lower than you usually go. Be a man. Be human. Be real. |
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Post by petep on Oct 17, 2024 5:32:37 GMT
How did trump kill it. What office does he hold? Are you really pretending to be this fucking stupid? You tend to scrape the bottom, but this is lower than you usually go. Be a man. Be human. Be real. So…what office does he hold. Simple question. |
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Post by VYPR on Oct 17, 2024 9:01:12 GMT
Are you really pretending to be this fucking stupid? You tend to scrape the bottom, but this is lower than you usually go. Be a man. Be human. Be real. So…what office does he hold. Simple question. Supreme Leader of the MAGA GOP. And they follow. On their knees. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 17, 2024 12:40:19 GMT
As to illegal immigration, you guys don't get to complain about that after Trump killed a bi-partisan agreement that conservatives and the BP agreed was a huge win. Trump and the RW media are playing politics with immigration. I'm sure there are some that believe this. Even after Kamala Harris's 60 Minutes interview, where it was clearly illustrated how backwards this is. I don't believe you believe this, even as I appreciate your efforts at marketing. Immigration exploded like the day Biden-Harris took over. It was an extraordinary, unprecedented rise. And for 3 years, it continued unabated. And suddenly, in an election year, a bullshit bill is presented to "fix" it. That's playing politics. Why the increase? How were all previous administrations able to keep immigration significantly lower without a new bill? Because the power is already there. "BUT CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED IT!!!" Sure. A lot of conservatives benefit from illegal immigration as well. "BUT BORDER CONTROL SUPPORTED IT!!!" You're telling me that a bureaucracy supported more funding for the bureaucracy? Whoa. And now immigration is being curtailed to some extent. How? Didn't they need Congress to act, and Trump stopped it? Sounds like it's blatantly obvious that Biden-Harris could have taken efforts to curb illegal immigration before this year. Obviously. I mean, obviously.  OH NO THOSE POLITICS-PLAYING REPUBLICANS AREN'T FIXING THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM! Lmao. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 12:49:29 GMT
As to illegal immigration, you guys don't get to complain about that after Trump killed a bi-partisan agreement that conservatives and the BP agreed was a huge win. Trump and the RW media are playing politics with immigration. I'm sure there are some that believe this. Even after Kamala Harris's 60 Minutes interview, where it was clearly illustrated how backwards this is. I don't believe you believe this, even as I appreciate your efforts at marketing. Immigration exploded like the day Biden-Harris took over. It was an extraordinary, unprecedented rise. And for 3 years, it continued unabated. And suddenly, in an election year, a bullshit bill is presented to "fix" it. That's playing politics. Why the increase? How were all previous administrations able to keep immigration significantly lower without a new bill? Because the power is already there. "BUT CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED IT!!!" Sure. A lot of conservatives benefit from illegal immigration as well. "BUT BORDER CONTROL SUPPORTED IT!!!" You're telling me that a bureaucracy supported more funding for the bureaucracy? Whoa. And now immigration is being curtailed to some extent. How? Didn't they need Congress to act, and Trump stopped it? Sounds like it's blatantly obvious that Biden-Harris could have taken efforts to curb illegal immigration before this year. Obviously. I mean, obviously. OH NO THOSE POLITICS-PLAYING REPUBLICANS AREN'T FIXING THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM! Lmao. If you break the data out month by month you'll see the trend started coming down earlier this year when GOP messaging was that we were being invaded. There was even a rally held for MAGA "at the border" but they set it up about 25 miles off the border to hide the fact that it wasn't really a crisis after all. The democrats have been very critical of the Biden admin for keeping a lot of the immigration policy from the previous admin on the books, and for separating families, albeit at a lower rate. I don't know which policies he could have added that would have meaningfully changed the situation, beyond what they were already doing, unless congress added funding, etc. I know part of the improvement we see in crossing data is seasonal, every year there is a spike around the holidays. I do believe Trump killed a bill that respectable people said would have made the situation better and I believe he did it for political reasons. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 17, 2024 13:40:08 GMT
I'm sure there are some that believe this. Even after Kamala Harris's 60 Minutes interview, where it was clearly illustrated how backwards this is. I don't believe you believe this, even as I appreciate your efforts at marketing. Immigration exploded like the day Biden-Harris took over. It was an extraordinary, unprecedented rise. And for 3 years, it continued unabated. And suddenly, in an election year, a bullshit bill is presented to "fix" it. That's playing politics. Why the increase? How were all previous administrations able to keep immigration significantly lower without a new bill? Because the power is already there. "BUT CONSERVATIVES SUPPORTED IT!!!" Sure. A lot of conservatives benefit from illegal immigration as well. "BUT BORDER CONTROL SUPPORTED IT!!!" You're telling me that a bureaucracy supported more funding for the bureaucracy? Whoa. And now immigration is being curtailed to some extent. How? Didn't they need Congress to act, and Trump stopped it? Sounds like it's blatantly obvious that Biden-Harris could have taken efforts to curb illegal immigration before this year. Obviously. I mean, obviously. OH NO THOSE POLITICS-PLAYING REPUBLICANS AREN'T FIXING THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM! Lmao. If you break the data out month by month you'll see the trend started coming down earlier this year when GOP messaging was that we were being invaded. There was even a rally held for MAGA "at the border" but they set it up about 25 miles off the border to hide the fact that it wasn't really a crisis after all. The democrats have been very critical of the Biden admin for keeping a lot of the immigration policy from the previous admin on the books, and for separating families, albeit at a lower rate. I don't know which policies he could have added that would have meaningfully changed the situation, beyond what they were already doing, unless congress added funding, etc. I know part of the improvement we see in crossing data is seasonal, every year there is a spike around the holidays. I do believe Trump killed a bill that respectable people said would have made the situation better and I believe he did it for political reasons. I am not following. Could be my fault. I don't know why a MAGA rally 25 miles from the border is important here. Harris is taking credit for the drop in immigration this year. Is she wrong to do so? Is she lying? I agree that Democrat politicians have been critical of Biden for being more restrictive with asylum and immigration that they want him to be. www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617I genuinely don't even think we're having the same conversation here. I think you're trying to jump in but with the notion that the politicians should be doing more to help more people into the country. That's not where the American population is at right now. Maybe I'm misuderstanding. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 13:44:31 GMT
If you break the data out month by month you'll see the trend started coming down earlier this year when GOP messaging was that we were being invaded. There was even a rally held for MAGA "at the border" but they set it up about 25 miles off the border to hide the fact that it wasn't really a crisis after all. The democrats have been very critical of the Biden admin for keeping a lot of the immigration policy from the previous admin on the books, and for separating families, albeit at a lower rate. I don't know which policies he could have added that would have meaningfully changed the situation, beyond what they were already doing, unless congress added funding, etc. I know part of the improvement we see in crossing data is seasonal, every year there is a spike around the holidays. I do believe Trump killed a bill that respectable people said would have made the situation better and I believe he did it for political reasons. I am not following. Could be my fault. I don't know why a MAGA rally 25 miles from the border is important here. Harris is taking credit for the drop in immigration this year. Is she wrong to do so? Is she lying? I agree that Democrat politicians have been critical of Biden for being more restrictive with asylum and immigration that they want him to be. www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617I genuinely don't even think we're having the same conversation here. I think you're trying to jump in but with the notion that the politicians should be doing more to help more people into the country. That's not where the American population is at right now. Maybe I'm misuderstanding. All that is to say I believe MAGA is playing politics with immigration (hyping the problem, standing in the way of fixing it) and that's why Trump killed the bill. That's what we started discussing at the outset. I am giving my rationale. |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Oct 17, 2024 14:10:07 GMT
I am not following. Could be my fault. I don't know why a MAGA rally 25 miles from the border is important here. Harris is taking credit for the drop in immigration this year. Is she wrong to do so? Is she lying? I agree that Democrat politicians have been critical of Biden for being more restrictive with asylum and immigration that they want him to be. www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/77-democrats-criticize-biden-border-asylum-policy-rcna67617I genuinely don't even think we're having the same conversation here. I think you're trying to jump in but with the notion that the politicians should be doing more to help more people into the country. That's not where the American population is at right now. Maybe I'm misuderstanding. All that is to say I believe MAGA is playing politics with immigration (hyping the problem, standing in the way of fixing it) and that's why Trump killed the bill. That's what we started discussing at the outset. I am giving my rationale. But I don't think your view of "fixing it" is aligned with a majority of Americans or a large majority of Republican or independent Americans. So it leads to talking past one another. Are there plenty of Republican politicians who would more align with your notion of "fixing" the immigration issue? I think so. But not regular Americans. They aren't looking for solving illegal immigration by making more illegal immigrants into legal immigrants or citizens. |
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Post by RinsePrius on Oct 17, 2024 22:09:06 GMT
All that is to say I believe MAGA is playing politics with immigration (hyping the problem, standing in the way of fixing it) and that's why Trump killed the bill. That's what we started discussing at the outset. I am giving my rationale. But I don't think your view of "fixing it" is aligned with a majority of Americans or a large majority of Republican or independent Americans. So it leads to talking past one another. Are there plenty of Republican politicians who would more align with your notion of "fixing" the immigration issue? I think so. But not regular Americans. They aren't looking for solving illegal immigration by making more illegal immigrants into legal immigrants or citizens. Oh I don't know about that because my view is simply that the bill was an improvement. And I do believe the bill was squarely within the mainstream. I have no illusions about how unpopular immigration is with the American people, left and right. |
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Post by queshank on Oct 18, 2024 14:20:42 GMT
I think the biggest threat to SS is a declining population to support the system for future retirees. Which is the bigger defender of a declining population? Queshank
Who is a bigger defender of increasing middle class wages.. ?
Not the people who are insisting on raising lower class wages, thus eroding the purchasing power of the middle class.
What happens to the purchasing power of people currently making $20 an hour when high school students currently making $10 an hour start making $15 an hour? Everyone talks about increasing wages in the abstract and ignores the ripple effects.
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