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Post by limey² on Oct 2, 2024 5:19:24 GMT
Why do you call vaccines “short term” and please show your work. Not all vaccines. Those that I was referring to. Flu/covid for example. They are short term, as in they wear off relatively quick, like within months or a year. They don't prevent infection. The only thing they do is they -may- make the symptoms of an infection not as bad or uncomfortable. For relatively healthy people they aren't needed. We waste an insane amount of money and resources on this crap. I'm not talking about vaccines that provide years or maybe even a lifetime of protection, that actually prevent an infection from occurring. No vaccines prevent infection, at least not directly. They assist the body in dealing with infection, making the illness shorter, less serious, and therefore less infectious. Fewer people coughing less for a shorter time = fewer infections. It's true to say "vaccination reduces infection rates". It's untrue to say "if you're vaccinated, you won't get infected". Vaccination is like a shotgun in a zombie apocalypse. You can still get your throat torn out by the ravenous undead, even with a decent Holland & Holland in your hands, but it's much less likely. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 2, 2024 6:31:56 GMT
Not all vaccines. Those that I was referring to. Flu/covid for example. They are short term, as in they wear off relatively quick, like within months or a year. They don't prevent infection. The only thing they do is they -may- make the symptoms of an infection not as bad or uncomfortable. For relatively healthy people they aren't needed. We waste an insane amount of money and resources on this crap. I'm not talking about vaccines that provide years or maybe even a lifetime of protection, that actually prevent an infection from occurring. No vaccines prevent infection, at least not directly. They assist the body in dealing with infection, making the illness shorter, less serious, and therefore less infectious. Fewer people coughing less for a shorter time = fewer infections. It's true to say "vaccination reduces infection rates". It's untrue to say "if you're vaccinated, you won't get infected". Vaccination is like a shotgun in a zombie apocalypse. You can still get your throat torn out by the ravenous undead, even with a decent Holland & Holland in your hands, but it's much less likely. Nothing is 100%. We have vaccines that provide rates of -immunity- to the targeted disease at close to 90%, even higher, throughout ones entire lifetime. If you've had those vaccines then it would be more correct to say you're not guaranteed to never get it but it's highly unlikely that you will. These flu/covid vaccines have very little effect on infection rates. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 2, 2024 6:32:59 GMT
Not all vaccines. Those that I was referring to. Flu/covid for example. They are short term, as in they wear off relatively quick, like within months or a year. They don't prevent infection. The only thing they do is they -may- make the symptoms of an infection not as bad or uncomfortable. For relatively healthy people they aren't needed. We waste an insane amount of money and resources on this crap. I'm not talking about vaccines that provide years or maybe even a lifetime of protection, that actually prevent an infection from occurring. What is your background on your knowledge of vaccines. Let's start with where do you think I'm wrong. |
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Post by limey² on Oct 2, 2024 10:04:05 GMT
No vaccines prevent infection, at least not directly. They assist the body in dealing with infection, making the illness shorter, less serious, and therefore less infectious. Fewer people coughing less for a shorter time = fewer infections. It's true to say "vaccination reduces infection rates". It's untrue to say "if you're vaccinated, you won't get infected". Vaccination is like a shotgun in a zombie apocalypse. You can still get your throat torn out by the ravenous undead, even with a decent Holland & Holland in your hands, but it's much less likely. Nothing is 100%. We have vaccines that provide rates of -immunity- to the targeted disease at close to 90%, even higher, throughout ones entire lifetime. If you've had those vaccines then it would be more correct to say you're not guaranteed to never get it but it's highly unlikely that you will. These flu/covid vaccines have very little effect on infection rates. Not so. Properly conducted vaccination programmes have significant effects on infection rates (and morbidity and mortality). A few minutes on Google Scholar will show you this, with peer-reviewed papers aplenty. |
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Post by petep on Oct 2, 2024 12:19:41 GMT
Nothing is 100%. We have vaccines that provide rates of -immunity- to the targeted disease at close to 90%, even higher, throughout ones entire lifetime. If you've had those vaccines then it would be more correct to say you're not guaranteed to never get it but it's highly unlikely that you will. These flu/covid vaccines have very little effect on infection rates. Not so. Properly conducted vaccination programmes have significant effects on infection rates (and morbidity and mortality). A few minutes on Google Scholar will show you this, with peer-reviewed papers aplenty. The fundamental problem I had in the states, was our head of the cdc stated unequivocally in spring 2021 if you are vaccinated you won’t get or spread covid. That was essentially repeated by Biden and fauci That led to hospitals and nursing homes who housed the most vulnerable to institute policies that only vaccinated could enter and visit. They eliminated the you must show proof of a negative test within the last x days. Well we know vaccinated were still getting covid and spreading it. Of all the errors during covid in the states this was the worst. |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 2, 2024 12:37:33 GMT
Yeah, but I was never the one acting all high and mighty. I openly admitted to that, kinda like how Freon admitted to testing positive for covid, then deciding it was a great idea to go out grocery shopping. I also don't work in health care. OK - did you also know the risks? Sure, but I've never considered anybody who didn't get vaccinated to essentially be guilty of murder. Somebody else here did. Then, they tested positive for covid and went out for some groceries. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2024 13:06:53 GMT
Not all vaccines. Those that I was referring to. Flu/covid for example. They are short term, as in they wear off relatively quick, like within months or a year. They don't prevent infection. The only thing they do is they -may- make the symptoms of an infection not as bad or uncomfortable. For relatively healthy people they aren't needed. We waste an insane amount of money and resources on this crap. I'm not talking about vaccines that provide years or maybe even a lifetime of protection, that actually prevent an infection from occurring. What is your background on your knowledge of vaccines. Based on some of the ignorant things you were saying back during the Pandemic, it is likely more than yours. |
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Post by sokpupet on Oct 2, 2024 13:58:04 GMT
What is your background on your knowledge of vaccines. Let's start with where do you think I'm wrong. Before I answer, I would like to know where/how you get your info. I don’t think that is too much to ask. |
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Post by sokpupet on Oct 2, 2024 14:00:54 GMT
What is your background on your knowledge of vaccines. Based on some of the ignorant things you were saying back during the Pandemic, it is likely more than yours. What I have said is based on science. Science isn’t black & white. Science isn’t stagnate. You are a right fighter and obstinate. |
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Post by Monster Man on Oct 2, 2024 14:10:26 GMT
Based on some of the ignorant things you were saying back during the Pandemic, it is likely more than yours. What I have said is based on science. Science isn’t black & white. Science isn’t stagnate. You are a right fighter and obstinate. No, what you have said certainly was not based on science. |
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Post by johnnybgood on Oct 2, 2024 16:32:15 GMT
These vaccines are actually natural ingredients. It has parts of bacteria and viruses in it. That's all natural. It teaches your body how to defend the sickness part. You still catch the flu, but body is prepared and says "F**K off" Ok. So why pay money for something that your body is going to do anyways? "It teaches your body how to defend" Your body isn't going to do it without the "training". Basically it helps the body defend. |
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Post by thor on Oct 2, 2024 16:43:17 GMT
OK - did you also know the risks? Sure, but I've never considered anybody who didn't get vaccinated to essentially be guilty of murder. Somebody else here did. Then, they tested positive for covid and went out for some groceries. So you are calling out hypocrisy. All right. Since you knew the risks, why have a large gathering? |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 2, 2024 17:37:53 GMT
Nothing is 100%. We have vaccines that provide rates of -immunity- to the targeted disease at close to 90%, even higher, throughout ones entire lifetime. If you've had those vaccines then it would be more correct to say you're not guaranteed to never get it but it's highly unlikely that you will. These flu/covid vaccines have very little effect on infection rates. Not so. Properly conducted vaccination programmes have significant effects on infection rates (and morbidity and mortality). A few minutes on Google Scholar will show you this, with peer-reviewed papers aplenty. And the flu/covid vaccines don't fit in there. |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 2, 2024 17:38:54 GMT
Let's start with where do you think I'm wrong. Before I answer, I would like to know where/how you get your info. I don’t think that is too much to ask. CDC and various other health organizations. Now where do you think I'm wrong? |
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Post by Lomelis on Oct 2, 2024 17:48:38 GMT
Ok. So why pay money for something that your body is going to do anyways? "It teaches your body how to defend" Your body isn't going to do it without the "training". Basically it helps the body defend. Lol. Did the huge vast majority of unvaccinated people that were infected die or did their bodies fight it off without the "training"? |
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Post by limey² on Oct 2, 2024 19:56:47 GMT
Not so. Properly conducted vaccination programmes have significant effects on infection rates (and morbidity and mortality). A few minutes on Google Scholar will show you this, with peer-reviewed papers aplenty. The fundamental problem I had in the states, was our head of the cdc stated unequivocally in spring 2021 if you are vaccinated you won’t get or spread covid. That was essentially repeated by Biden and fauci That led to hospitals and nursing homes who housed the most vulnerable to institute policies that only vaccinated could enter and visit. They eliminated the you must show proof of a negative test within the last x days. Well we know vaccinated were still getting covid and spreading it. Of all the errors during covid in the states this was the worst. A disastrous thing, true, but Lomelis's point is still in error. |
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Post by limey² on Oct 2, 2024 19:59:07 GMT
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 2, 2024 20:15:40 GMT
Sure, but I've never considered anybody who didn't get vaccinated to essentially be guilty of murder. Somebody else here did. Then, they tested positive for covid and went out for some groceries. So you are calling out hypocrisy. All right. Since you knew the risks, why have a large gathering? I'm a professional dj, party promoter, and event coordinator. I host a weekly event here in SD. We didnt want to stop, so I set up an outside dj setup underneath my covered deck, complete with lights and a green screen. The first two weeks of covid, we did a Twitch broadcast with myself, my gf, and another dj. By the third week, a lot of people knew about it and wanted to come over. So I limited it to 20 people, byo and a your own cooler, had hand sanitizer everywhere, and nobody was allowed inside except to use the bathroom. I had a huge yard, and not a single person that came over ever got covid from my weekly parties. I didn't twist anybody arm. There were only two DJs who didn't want to do it, and they simply sent a video and audio recording. And yeah, I did throw an outlaw party(illegal rave) about five months into quarantine. Outside in a canyon. Five hundred people prepaid 20 bucks to get in, and another hundred or so people snuck in. But that is beside the point. I never called anybody a murderer for not following covid guidelines. That was somebody else. |
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Post by petep on Oct 2, 2024 20:47:52 GMT
So you are calling out hypocrisy. All right. Since you knew the risks, why have a large gathering? I'm a professional dj, party promoter, and event coordinator. I host a weekly event here in SD. We didnt want to stop, so I set up an outside dj setup underneath my covered deck, complete with lights and a green screen. The first two weeks of covid, we did a Twitch broadcast with myself, my gf, and another dj. By the third week, a lot of people knew about it and wanted to come over. So I limited it to 20 people, byo and a your own cooler, had hand sanitizer everywhere, and nobody was allowed inside except to use the bathroom. I had a huge yard, and not a single person that came over ever got covid from my weekly parties. I didn't twist anybody arm. There were only two DJs who didn't want to do it, and they simply sent a video and audio recording. And yeah, I did throw an outlaw party(illegal rave) about five months into quarantine. Outside in a canyon. Five hundred people prepaid 20 bucks to get in, and another hundred or so people snuck in. But that is beside the point. I never called anybody a murderer for not following covid guidelines. That was somebody else. Not sure if you have it there - sure you do. There is a company that does trivia - with dj music in between - and dj bingo. He’s doing very well. In about 40 places now with staff. |
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Post by greebnurt on Oct 2, 2024 21:01:32 GMT
I'm a professional dj, party promoter, and event coordinator. I host a weekly event here in SD. We didnt want to stop, so I set up an outside dj setup underneath my covered deck, complete with lights and a green screen. The first two weeks of covid, we did a Twitch broadcast with myself, my gf, and another dj. By the third week, a lot of people knew about it and wanted to come over. So I limited it to 20 people, byo and a your own cooler, had hand sanitizer everywhere, and nobody was allowed inside except to use the bathroom. I had a huge yard, and not a single person that came over ever got covid from my weekly parties. I didn't twist anybody arm. There were only two DJs who didn't want to do it, and they simply sent a video and audio recording. And yeah, I did throw an outlaw party(illegal rave) about five months into quarantine. Outside in a canyon. Five hundred people prepaid 20 bucks to get in, and another hundred or so people snuck in. But that is beside the point. I never called anybody a murderer for not following covid guidelines. That was somebody else. Not sure if you have it there - sure you do. There is a company that does trivia - with dj music in between - and dj bingo. He’s doing very well. In about 40 places now with staff. Not my thing. I DJ clubs, mansions, festivals, etc. Oh, and I play a little sushi restaurant quarterly. I appreciate tf out of DJs who do other stuff though. I could make another fifty grand a year if I played weddings, but I did one years ago and hated every minute of it. |
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