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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 12, 2024 17:01:42 GMT
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 12, 2024 17:04:52 GMT
BUT GUYS WHATABOUT THE CAT MEMES
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Post by sokpupet on Sept 12, 2024 17:11:55 GMT
I will support Ukraine to the end.
SLAVA Ukraine!
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Post by demos on Sept 12, 2024 17:12:44 GMT
Some additional context...
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Post by demos on Sept 12, 2024 17:13:02 GMT
I will support Ukraine to the end. SLAVA Ukraine! What's the end look like?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 12, 2024 17:40:29 GMT
I will support Ukraine to the end. SLAVA Ukraine! Till the end of Ukraine? The death of every able bodied male Ukrainian? That doesn’t seem so brave to me. For Donbas?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 12, 2024 20:56:08 GMT
World War 3?
Who gives a shit?
JD Vance shared an inaccurate cat meme.
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Post by slefty on Sept 12, 2024 21:09:14 GMT
You pick not getting a vaccine for a hill to die on yet don't want Ukraine to fight to keep their own country? You're really brave rabbit.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 12, 2024 21:20:09 GMT
Some additional context...
Russia blinked. The red line that they intimated would result in nukes has been crossed, and Russia did.....NOTHING. Ukraine invaded Russia's Kursk region nearly unopposed, taking American and European light armor with them and Russia did nothing. Now, Ukraine is attacking Moscow itself, burning oil refineries around the country, and still, what has Russia done? Nothing. If Russia's nuclear arsenal is in any way like their Navy, then it is unkept, decrepit, and likely non-functional. Not saying they couldn't drop one from a plane, but if they escalate, likely they will see themselves not only at odds with the West, but China as well. Freon
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Post by atreyu on Sept 12, 2024 21:31:07 GMT
Russia isn't and never was going to nuke Ukraine. You don't nuke a place you want to take over.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 12, 2024 21:32:14 GMT
Some additional context...
Russia blinked. The red line that they intimated would result in nukes has been crossed, and Russia did.....NOTHING. Ukraine invaded Russia's Kursk region nearly unopposed, taking American and European light armor with them and Russia did nothing. Now, Ukraine is attacking Moscow itself, burning oil refineries around the country, and still, what has Russia done? Nothing. If Russia's nuclear arsenal is in any way like their Navy, then it is unkept, decrepit, and likely non-functional. Not saying they couldn't drop one from a plane, but if they escalate, likely they will see themselves not only at odds with the West, but China as well. Freon
They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.... even if most are decrepit, they still have enough to destroy the entire world.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 12, 2024 21:50:04 GMT
Russia blinked. The red line that they intimated would result in nukes has been crossed, and Russia did.....NOTHING. Ukraine invaded Russia's Kursk region nearly unopposed, taking American and European light armor with them and Russia did nothing. Now, Ukraine is attacking Moscow itself, burning oil refineries around the country, and still, what has Russia done? Nothing. If Russia's nuclear arsenal is in any way like their Navy, then it is unkept, decrepit, and likely non-functional. Not saying they couldn't drop one from a plane, but if they escalate, likely they will see themselves not only at odds with the West, but China as well. Freon
They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.... even if most are decrepit, they still have enough to destroy the entire world.
Sure, but you have to DELIVER them. It's not enough to have them, unless your goal is to blow yourself up. Freon
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Post by atreyu on Sept 12, 2024 21:51:17 GMT
They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.... even if most are decrepit, they still have enough to destroy the entire world.
Sure, but you have to DELIVER them. It's not enough to have them, unless your goal is to blow yourself up. Freon
I have full expectations they can do that.
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Post by RinsePrius on Sept 12, 2024 21:56:38 GMT
The greatest risk of world war and nuclear conflict would be realized if Ukraine falls.
Defending Ukraine is all about avoiding a larger war.
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Post by demos on Sept 12, 2024 22:00:11 GMT
Russia blinked. The red line that they intimated would result in nukes has been crossed, and Russia did.....NOTHING. Ukraine invaded Russia's Kursk region nearly unopposed, taking American and European light armor with them and Russia did nothing. Now, Ukraine is attacking Moscow itself, burning oil refineries around the country, and still, what has Russia done? Nothing. Yeah, Austria thought that too at one time. They were right, until they weren't. Going up the escalation ladder is a dangerous game. You can't assume they'll never react. Whether they drop one or not depends on how threatened they feel. Like say, lifting restrictions on long range weapons. There's a lot of division in Nato about lifting these restrictions, because it would be escalatory. I suspect we're doing a bit of sabre-rattling on our own. We'll see.
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Post by demos on Sept 12, 2024 22:03:32 GMT
The greatest risk of world war and nuclear conflict would be realized if Ukraine falls. Defending Ukraine is all about avoiding a larger war. Yeah, not really. This has been a limited war since 2014.
So, the stage is already being set for conceding territory to Russia at the very least.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 12, 2024 22:05:32 GMT
The greatest risk of world war and nuclear conflict would be realized if Ukraine falls. Defending Ukraine is all about avoiding a larger war. 100%
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Post by RinsePrius on Sept 12, 2024 22:12:10 GMT
The greatest risk of world war and nuclear conflict would be realized if Ukraine falls. Defending Ukraine is all about avoiding a larger war. Yeah, not really. This has been a limited war since 2014.
So, the stage is already being set for conceding territory to Russia at the very least.
It's a limited war in Ukraine. That's the whole point. But would it continue to be limited if Poland were the target? What's our read on how Russia fares in a direct confrontation with NATO?
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 12, 2024 22:30:56 GMT
You pick not getting a vaccine for a hill to die on yet don't want Ukraine to fight to keep their own country? You're really brave rabbit. When did I say I didn’t want Ukrainians to fight for Ukraine? That’s a straw man. I will say that it’s getting harder and harder for Ukraine to find Ukrainians to fight for Donbas. That’s well documented.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 12, 2024 22:33:06 GMT
The greatest risk of world war and nuclear conflict would be realized if Ukraine falls. Defending Ukraine is all about avoiding a larger war. Absolute bullshit. There are no portions of Poland that consider themselves Russian. That would rather be a part of Russia. Do you think Ukraine shouldn’t stop until it recovers Crimea as well?
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