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Post by CadesCove on Sept 6, 2024 13:42:14 GMT
WTF is the matter with this guy?
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Post by Paleocon on Sept 6, 2024 13:50:24 GMT
WTF is the matter with this guy? He tells us the truth. You wouldn't understand.
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Post by archie on Sept 6, 2024 13:56:46 GMT
WTF is the matter with this guy? It is a fact. It has happened more than once. Just as many crimes repeat themselves every day. Some of the human population is nothing good for the rest of the population. It has been that way since the beginning of time with humans. So how do you blame a political opponent for telling the truth? He is shrugging his shoulders wishing these things did not happen. He cannot change what happened in the past. I am sure he and Trump will do their best to prevent it in the future.
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Post by RinsePrius on Sept 6, 2024 14:01:12 GMT
Election losses are also just a fact of life.
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Post by rabbitreborn on Sept 6, 2024 14:07:17 GMT
WTF is the matter with this guy? Are you promoting an Alex Jones conspiracy theory that school shootings are not factual? He was found liable for that. Like $877 trillion kajillion or something. Be careful here.
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 6, 2024 14:45:52 GMT
WTF is the matter with this guy? Nothing. If you listened to him instead of reading what Newsom wrote, he clearly did more than shrug his shoulders through that jump cut. He said we need to do more and he doesn't like it.
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Post by demos on Sept 6, 2024 14:52:56 GMT
He's not "just shrugging his shoulders."
You may not like his remedy, but he is proposing one.
Personally, I think we need to go further, and over a longer term, look at what's driving this and potential mental health solutions.
Whether its more security or restricting access to guns, both are short term solutions that don't address the underlying issue.
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Post by archie on Sept 6, 2024 16:58:58 GMT
Election losses are also just a fact of life. Yes they are, so long as done legally. It is the crooked ones we have to worry about.
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Post by RinsePrius on Sept 6, 2024 17:26:52 GMT
Election losses are also just a fact of life. Yes they are, so long as done legally. It is the crooked ones we have to worry about. No, we don't have to worry about that because it is a tiny risk. We have far more to fear from sore losers calling fair elections crooked, and undermining the entire republican/constitutional project. The call is coming from inside your house, Arch.
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Post by Monster Man on Sept 6, 2024 21:11:21 GMT
Yes they are, so long as done legally. It is the crooked ones we have to worry about. No, we don't have to worry about that because it is a tiny risk. We have far more to fear from sore losers calling fair elections crooked, and undermining the entire republican/constitutional project. The call is coming from inside your house, Arch. You talking about Gore or Clinton... or both?
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Post by atreyu on Sept 6, 2024 21:13:48 GMT
He's not "just shrugging his shoulders." You may not like his remedy, but he is proposing one. Personally, I think we need to go further, and over a longer term, look at what's driving this and potential mental health solutions. Whether its more security or restricting access to guns, both are short term solutions that don't address the underlying issue.
Sure works for other developed countries though.... consider me skeptical.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 6, 2024 21:14:38 GMT
WTF is the matter with this guy? He tells us the truth. You wouldn't understand.
Would the truth be school shootings are just a fact of life because we don't want to change it?
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Post by demos on Sept 6, 2024 21:35:11 GMT
Sure works for other developed countries though.... consider me skeptical. We've had easy access to guns for a long time in this country. When I was in school, you could've walked out to the parking lot and grabbed a gun out of any number of pickups (even though it was supposed to be a gun free zone).
Something's changed. Restrictions and/or more security are ancillary solutions. Root problem still needs to be addressed.
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Post by runswithscissors on Sept 6, 2024 22:10:59 GMT
School shootings weren't a fact of life any time during my public school education that began in 1960. I think the first one that anyone knew about was some mind addled former Marine who climbed a tower at the University of Texas back in 67 I think. He killed several people. As trump would say, with accordian hand movemnts, it was a shooting "like nobody's ever seen." The normalization of school shootings goes well with the normalization of someone like trump. Crazy is normal. Perfect.
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Post by thecitizen on Sept 6, 2024 22:15:07 GMT
He's not "just shrugging his shoulders." You may not like his remedy, but he is proposing one. Personally, I think we need to go further, and over a longer term, look at what's driving this and potential mental health solutions. Whether it’s more security or restricting access to guns, both are short term solutions that don't address the underlying issue. What is the underlying issue?
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Post by thecitizen on Sept 6, 2024 22:17:11 GMT
Sure works for other developed countries though.... consider me skeptical. We've had easy access to guns for a long time in this country. When I was in school, you could've walked out to the parking lot and grabbed a gun out of any number of pickups (even though it was supposed to be a gun free zone).
Something's changed. Restrictions and/or more security are ancillary solutions. Root problem still needs to be addressed.
What’s the root problem
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Post by thecitizen on Sept 6, 2024 22:19:46 GMT
now!
All we want to do is make mass shooting more difficult.
The following might help: Ban the sale to the public of "assault weapons". As well as parts and ammunition. Reinstate the Assault Weapon sales ban. No confiscation (except what is already in the law). But adopt a voluntary buy-back program with strong compensation, for guns and ammunition. Ban so-called "cop-killing" bullets. Ban the sale of high-capacity magazines. Ban ghost guns. Require a license to buy any firearm and ammunition. Require a "graduation process" to obtain and maintain a gun license. Mandatory buy back program for weapons acquired with a license for anybody who fails to renew their license. Implement a federal mandatory background check for all gun sales. No loopholes. And hold private sellers accountable if the gun sold without a check or to an unlicensed buyer is used in a crime. Give courts the authority to confiscate guns from people who they consider a threat to themselves and others. (Red Flag Law) Raise the age limit for buying any kind of guns to 21 (at least) Implement strong nationwide cash-for-guns programs focusing primarily on assault weapons. Repeal the PLCAA and investigate gun manufacturers and gun lobbyists' role in passing it. Require manufacturers to alter design of guns sold to public to make them as difficult to be modified as possible. Declare gun violence a preventable public health problem. Give the CDC funding an resources to study the relation between certain mental illnesses and gun violence. Repeal DoC v Heller given that the decision is based on factual historical and linguistic inaccuracies.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 6, 2024 22:22:12 GMT
Sure works for other developed countries though.... consider me skeptical. We've had easy access to guns for a long time in this country. When I was in school, you could've walked out to the parking lot and grabbed a gun out of any number of pickups (even though it was supposed to be a gun free zone).
Something's changed. Restrictions and/or more security are ancillary solutions. Root problem still needs to be addressed.
Maybe? Maybe it's just a larger population making the probability of any one shooting increase. In any case there doesn't seem to be any progress in finding that root cause.
Restricting access to guns I agree will not fix the problem now. It will be a slow process. That's why it's important to start now. It objectively works. I don't think there's a valid argument against it working.
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Post by petep on Sept 7, 2024 14:44:40 GMT
We've had easy access to guns for a long time in this country. When I was in school, you could've walked out to the parking lot and grabbed a gun out of any number of pickups (even though it was supposed to be a gun free zone).
Something's changed. Restrictions and/or more security are ancillary solutions. Root problem still needs to be addressed.
Maybe? Maybe it's just a larger population making the probability of any one shooting increase. In any case there doesn't seem to be any progress in finding that root cause.
Restricting access to guns I agree will not fix the problem now. It will be a slow process. That's why it's important to start now. It objectively works. I don't think there's a valid argument against it working.
Perhaps examine a time when anyone could buy a gun from a magazine and kids could bring their guns to school for marksmanship programs after school and none of this happened. Why? What changed? Breakdown of family? Kids not growing up with chores? Kids being out on Ritalin for years? Kids not being raised properly? Kids being coddled and not able to take adversity (like being called a name) I’m sure it’s a large list but certainly definable. Or do we keep pretending that kids being able to walk to school and. Wing able to leave doors unlocked is ridiculously old fashioned. And we have progressed to the point where more locks are a sign of progress.
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Post by atreyu on Sept 7, 2024 14:47:36 GMT
Maybe? Maybe it's just a larger population making the probability of any one shooting increase. In any case there doesn't seem to be any progress in finding that root cause.
Restricting access to guns I agree will not fix the problem now. It will be a slow process. That's why it's important to start now. It objectively works. I don't think there's a valid argument against it working.
Perhaps examine a time when anyone could buy a gun from a magazine and kids could bring their guns to school for marksmanship programs after school and none of this happened. Why? What changed? Breakdown of family? Kids not growing up with chores? Kids being out on Ritalin for years? Kids not being raised properly? Kids being coddled and not able to take adversity (like being called a name) I’m sure it’s a large list but certainly definable. Or do we keep pretending that kids being able to walk to school and. Wing able to leave doors unlocked is ridiculously old fashioned. And we have progressed to the point where more locks are a sign of progress.
When you figure it out let us know.
Meantime the adults have to work on actual solutions.
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