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Post by queshank on Nov 6, 2024 22:17:21 GMT
It's because of his work on the Israeli/Palestine conflict and his contributions to the Abraham Accords. Bit of a big subject the Israel/Palestine issue.
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If that means we're going to sign a defense pact with Saudi Arabia, no thanks (although Biden seems to be considering that sans normalization in exchange). Also an Iran hawk.
When he left the Trump admin, he was replaced by Abrams whom Hooks said had an "excellent history working in the Middle East."
Hooks coming on board would suggest we're not changing tack on the ME anytime soon.
This is one of those issues where I'm not entirely sure we should. I just don't know if going back to perpetuating the past 50 years is the right approach either.
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Post by demos on Nov 7, 2024 15:59:02 GMT
This is one of those issues where I'm not entirely sure we should. I just don't know if going back to perpetuating the past 50 years is the right approach either.
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Something has to give:
" Further escalation in the Middle East could severely deplete the U.S. missile arsenal, leaving military assets in Europe and Asia vulnerable." ( Source)
We can either re-prioritize, or we're going to spend a lot more on defense and probably have to convert to a war time economy in order to produce everything we need to maintain our hegemony.
The primary strategic concern (IMO) is preventing nuclear proliferation in the region, starting with Iran, which we've proven once can be resolved through diplomacy. The secondary concern is terrorism, but we don't need boots on the ground for that (in fact, boots on the ground made that problem worse - see ISIS).
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Post by demos on Nov 7, 2024 16:18:28 GMT
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 17:29:31 GMT
This is one of those issues where I'm not entirely sure we should. I just don't know if going back to perpetuating the past 50 years is the right approach either.
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Something has to give:
" Further escalation in the Middle East could severely deplete the U.S. missile arsenal, leaving military assets in Europe and Asia vulnerable." ( Source)
We can either re-prioritize, or we're going to spend a lot more on defense and probably have to convert to a war time economy in order to produce everything we need to maintain our hegemony.
The primary strategic concern (IMO) is preventing nuclear proliferation in the region, starting with Iran, which we've proven once can be resolved through diplomacy. The secondary concern is terrorism, but we don't need boots on the ground for that (in fact, boots on the ground made that problem worse - see ISIS).
Well yeah. We can't support THREE wars at the same time. Ukraine, Taiwan and Iran. ( limey²?)
The nuclear issue wasn't really "resolved" through diplomacy. I think you're being disingenuous with that because you and I don't see eye to eye on that and never have. To me it always seems you gloss over both the fact that even if the Iran nuclear deal was still in place Iran would be free to work on nuclear bombs right now by Obama's own admission and with more research and technological advancements and income due to trade deals with the West enriching their government the past decade. Kinda like how we helped China build aircraft carriers by enriching their government so people who lost their jobs to overseas investments by the wealthy could afford cheap plastic crap at Walmart now that they're unemployed. And the fact that we increased Iran's support for terrorists in the region by giving them the money to do it. Those are definite offshoots of the "diplomacy" you hold up as an ideal.
But what's the solution? Returning to a stalemate that's worked out so well for the past 80 years or so?
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 17:33:42 GMT
Who would you like to see?
That has a gnats ass in hell of getting approved that is. Seems like we're gonna be revisiting our conversations from 2016/2017 about the limited number of people with the connections and visibility to get senate approval for these positions Queshank
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Post by demos on Nov 7, 2024 17:57:44 GMT
The nuclear issue wasn't really "resolved" through diplomacy. I think you're being disingenuous with that because you and I don't see eye to eye on that and never have. To me it always seems you gloss over both the fact that even if the Iran nuclear deal was still in place Iran would be free to work on nuclear bombs right now by Obama's own admission and with more research and technological advancements and income due to trade deals with the West enriching their government the past decade.
Enrichment was capped and supervised, no change on weaponization position, etc. We could've continued down that path through diplomacy, renewed the sunset provisions, developed more trust between both parties, and maybe even made progress on other issue. Instead, we followed the Bolton plan (even though his track record is poor) and threw all of that out the window. And the current conflict could lead to a re-evaluation of the fatwah on developing a nuclear weapon (there's currently a push for that).
Diplomacy is still possible, but trickier than it was last time. The solution isn't regime change, continuing the maximum pressure policy, assassinating Iranian generals, or helping Israel go to war with Iran. All of that keeps us tied to a region where our actions over the last 20 years have resulted in the expansion/strengthening of Iranian influence (Iraq, Syria, and Yemen).
The Gulf states and Iran have a bit of rapprochement going on right now. We could make hay from that, and the Gulf leaders are better at dealing with Trump than European leaders (they have a better approach to getting what they want anyway). Of those 4, Miller would be acceptable. All of the others are nonstarters for me.
If he's going to pick a Senator, then Paul or Mike Lee. Definitely not Cotton.
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 18:04:18 GMT
The nuclear issue wasn't really "resolved" through diplomacy. I think you're being disingenuous with that because you and I don't see eye to eye on that and never have. To me it always seems you gloss over both the fact that even if the Iran nuclear deal was still in place Iran would be free to work on nuclear bombs right now by Obama's own admission and with more research and technological advancements and income due to trade deals with the West enriching their government the past decade.
Enrichment was capped and supervised, no change on weaponization position, etc. We could've continued down that path through diplomacy, renewed the sunset provisions, developed more trust between both parties, and maybe even made progress on other issue. Instead, we followed the Bolton plan (even though his track record is poor) and threw all of that out the window. And the current conflict could lead to a re-evaluation of the fatwah on developing a nuclear weapon (there's currently a push for that).
Diplomacy is still possible, but trickier than it was last time. The solution isn't regime change, continuing the maximum pressure policy, assassinating Iranian generals, or helping Israel go to war with Iran. All of that keeps us tied to a region where our actions over the last 20 years have resulted in the expansion/strengthening of Iranian influence (Iraq, Syria, and Yemen).
The Gulf states and Iran have a bit of rapprochement going on right now. We could make hay from that, and the Gulf leaders are better at dealing with Trump than European leaders (they have a better approach to getting what they want anyway). Of those 4, Miller would be acceptable. All of the others are nonstarters for me.
If he's going to pick a Senator, then Paul or Mike Lee. Definitely not Cotton.
Do you think Rand Paul could get approval? This is the fulcrum of our disagremeent on this subject the past several years. MAGA has been strengthened. But old school GOP hacks are still powerful. John Thune the empty headed plastic senator from South Dakota for example that's currently whip and is a contender for fucking senate leader. /gag (South Dakota is one of the least "MAGA" states in the country)
These are the people who decide. Not just Trump. Something something dictatorship. hehe
I don't think Rand Paul could make it through the senate confirmation process. I don't think any of the candidates you and I would probably agree are better picks could make it.
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Post by demos on Nov 7, 2024 18:10:03 GMT
Do you think Rand Paul could get approval? This is the fulcrum of our disagremeent on this subject the past several years. MAGA has been strengthened. But old school GOP hacks are still powerful. John Thune the empty headed plastic senator from South Dakota for example that's currently whip and is a contender for fucking senate leader. /gag (South Dakota is one of the least "MAGA" states in the country)
These are the people who decide. Not just Trump. Something something dictatorship. hehe
I don't think Rand Paul could make it through the senate confirmation process. I don't think any of the candidates you and I would probably agree are better picks could make it.
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Neither Paul or Lee are likely to be confirmed. That's why I said Miller would be acceptable. He replaced Esper in the final days of the Trump admin as acting Secretary of Defense.
From Miller's memoir:
“Today, there are virtually no brakes on the American war machine,” Miller writes. “Military leaders are always predisposed to see war as a solution, because when you’re a hammer, all the world’s a nail. The establishments of both major political parties are overwhelmingly dominated by interventionists and internationalists who believe that America can and should police the world. Even the press — once so skeptical of war during the Vietnam era — is today little more than a brood of bloodthirsty vampires cheering on American missile strikes and urging greater involvement in conflicts America has no business fighting.” ( Source)
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 18:15:28 GMT
Do you think Rand Paul could get approval? This is the fulcrum of our disagremeent on this subject the past several years. MAGA has been strengthened. But old school GOP hacks are still powerful. John Thune the empty headed plastic senator from South Dakota for example that's currently whip and is a contender for fucking senate leader. /gag (South Dakota is one of the least "MAGA" states in the country)
These are the people who decide. Not just Trump. Something something dictatorship. hehe
I don't think Rand Paul could make it through the senate confirmation process. I don't think any of the candidates you and I would probably agree are better picks could make it.
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Neither Paul or Lee are likely to be confirmed. That's why I said Miller would be acceptable. He replaced Esper in the final days of the Trump admin as acting Secretary of Defense.
From Miller's memoir:
“Today, there are virtually no brakes on the American war machine,” Miller writes. “Military leaders are always predisposed to see war as a solution, because when you’re a hammer, all the world’s a nail. The establishments of both major political parties are overwhelmingly dominated by interventionists and internationalists who believe that America can and should police the world. Even the press — once so skeptical of war during the Vietnam era — is today little more than a brood of bloodthirsty vampires cheering on American missile strikes and urging greater involvement in conflicts America has no business fighting.” ( Source)
Ha! Stop it you're turnin me on!
Trump has political capital. In 2016 I think he didn't really and didn't care to squander any on these picks, thinking he's "the decider" so it doesn't matter who his picks are anyway cuz he's in charge. Here's hoping he learned his lesson from his first term and takes those picks a little more seriously this go round and spends some of what he's accumulated in this election. He might even be able to muscle through someone like Paul. But won't.
I could see an argument for Pompeo being cowed and actually letting Trump be "the decider" in a way his first round of def secretarys wouldn't. So I probably wouldn't freak out too much with Pompeo. In fact, pretty much anybody who makes it into the cabinet is probably going to be someone who will do what Trump says instead of overruling him the way Matthis and Tillerson tried to do.
I look forward to a few interesting conversations on this subject as the administration starts.
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Post by queshank on Nov 7, 2024 19:16:55 GMT
Neither Paul or Lee are likely to be confirmed. That's why I said Miller would be acceptable. He replaced Esper in the final days of the Trump admin as acting Secretary of Defense.
From Miller's memoir:
“Today, there are virtually no brakes on the American war machine,” Miller writes. “Military leaders are always predisposed to see war as a solution, because when you’re a hammer, all the world’s a nail. The establishments of both major political parties are overwhelmingly dominated by interventionists and internationalists who believe that America can and should police the world. Even the press — once so skeptical of war during the Vietnam era — is today little more than a brood of bloodthirsty vampires cheering on American missile strikes and urging greater involvement in conflicts America has no business fighting.” ( Source)
I could see an argument for Pompeo being cowed and actually letting Trump be "the decider" in a way his first round of def secretarys wouldn't. So I probably wouldn't freak out too much with Pompeo. In fact, pretty much anybody who makes it into the cabinet is probably going to be someone who will do what Trump says instead of overruling him the way Matthis and Tillerson tried to do.
I look forward to a few interesting conversations on this subject as the administration starts.
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Just saw this. It made me smile. Don Jr is the new Ivanka lol
What's funny is the criticism is supposed to be about hiring people who don't think they know better than Trump. But ... political capital again. A lot of people who think they know better than Trump keep being wrong.
That might be the best thing about this post. (Matthis "slow walking" and shelving for months at a time Trump's order to get out of Syria come to mind.)
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Post by Fiddler on Nov 7, 2024 19:21:06 GMT
Yes.. Obviously the barrel has a second bottom ..
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Post by thor on Nov 8, 2024 5:03:56 GMT
I could see an argument for Pompeo being cowed and actually letting Trump be "the decider" in a way his first round of def secretarys wouldn't. So I probably wouldn't freak out too much with Pompeo. In fact, pretty much anybody who makes it into the cabinet is probably going to be someone who will do what Trump says instead of overruling him the way Matthis and Tillerson tried to do.
I look forward to a few interesting conversations on this subject as the administration starts.
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Just saw this. It made me smile. Don Jr is the new Ivanka lol
What's funny is the criticism is supposed to be about hiring people who don't think they know better than Trump. But ... political capital again. A lot of people who think they know better than Trump keep being wrong.
That might be the best thing about this post. (Matthis "slow walking" and shelving for months at a time Trump's order to get out of Syria come to mind.)
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Mediocrity that he is, Que-Anon tells us that he believes that stupidity and nepotism are good things. Poor, stupid, Que-Anon - hasn't figured out that smart people surround themselves with other smart people.
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Post by demos on Nov 8, 2024 16:03:28 GMT
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Post by demos on Nov 8, 2024 16:16:09 GMT
Trump has political capital. In 2016 I think he didn't really and didn't care to squander any on these picks, thinking he's "the decider" so it doesn't matter who his picks are anyway cuz he's in charge. Here's hoping he learned his lesson from his first term and takes those picks a little more seriously this go round and spends some of what he's accumulated in this election. He might even be able to muscle through someone like Paul. But won't.
I certainly hope so, but Hook's involvement in recruiting for the State Dept raises the hairs on the back of my neck, especially given some of his recent comments. Conservatives Turn Against Mike Pompeo
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Post by thor on Nov 8, 2024 16:24:41 GMT
Surprised? I'm not.
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Post by demos on Nov 8, 2024 16:33:25 GMT
Surprised? I'm not. Not really. A lot of people who served in his previous administration, some of whom I have concerns and reservations about.
I don't know who Bill Hagerty is (honestly never heard of him before today).
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Post by petep on Nov 8, 2024 16:40:05 GMT
His chief of staff pick seems to be a good one. All who know her have said positive things about working with her and her skill set.
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Post by queshank on Nov 8, 2024 17:59:36 GMT
Just saw this. It made me smile. Don Jr is the new Ivanka lol
What's funny is the criticism is supposed to be about hiring people who don't think they know better than Trump. But ... political capital again. A lot of people who think they know better than Trump keep being wrong.
That might be the best thing about this post. (Matthis "slow walking" and shelving for months at a time Trump's order to get out of Syria come to mind.)
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Mediocrity that he is, Que-Anon tells us that he believes that stupidity and nepotism are good things. Poor, stupid, Que-Anon - hasn't figured out that smart people surround themselves with other smart people.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh that's good. "Smart people surround themselves with other smart people" hahahah. Ooof. Good one thor.
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Post by queshank on Nov 8, 2024 18:47:58 GMT
If he's going to pick a Senator, then Paul or Mike Lee. Definitely not Cotton.
You mean this fascist? ?!!!!! Queshank
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Post by queshank on Nov 8, 2024 18:49:26 GMT
Mediocrity that he is, Que-Anon tells us that he believes that stupidity and nepotism are good things. Poor, stupid, Que-Anon - hasn't figured out that smart people surround themselves with other smart people.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh that's good. "Smart people surround themselves with other smart people" hahahah. Ooof. Good one thor.
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While I understood when I posted that that thor would never understand what I'm saying, it occurs to me that there's others ... like TL ... that won't either.
So let me expand on that. A little insider knowledge for you guys. Smart people know there's not many of them out there. So they work with what they've got. And they call the people who agree with them "smart." Because they know everyone else is too dumb to tell the difference too.
85%ers people. 85%ers.
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