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Post by demos on Mar 19, 2024 15:30:09 GMT
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Post by Monster Man on Mar 19, 2024 15:43:09 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover.
Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing.
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 19, 2024 16:09:43 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover. Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing. Barr was very loyal, until Trump asked him to do something illegal |
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Post by RWB on Mar 19, 2024 16:17:24 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover. Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing. True and Garland is just the opposite |
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Post by RWB on Mar 19, 2024 20:55:40 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover. Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing. Barr was very loyal, until Trump asked him to do something illegal AND Garland is just the opposite 🙄 |
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 19, 2024 21:01:17 GMT
Barr was very loyal, until Trump asked him to do something illegal AND Garland is just the opposite 🙄 I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying Garland is disloyal to Biden or Biden asked him to do something legal |
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Post by RWB on Mar 19, 2024 23:59:12 GMT
AND Garland is just the opposite 🙄 I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying Garland is disloyal to Biden or Biden asked him to do something legal biden and Garland have weaponized the DOJ to go after Republicans. |
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Post by sokpupet on Mar 20, 2024 2:25:30 GMT
I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying Garland is disloyal to Biden or Biden asked him to do something legal biden and Garland have weaponized the DOJ to go after Republicans. 🙄 |
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Post by RWB on Mar 20, 2024 2:53:13 GMT
biden and Garland have weaponized the DOJ to go after Republicans. 🙄 So if trump does get reelected and does the same thing to Democrats you'll be OK with that too? |
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Post by sokpupet on Mar 20, 2024 3:29:36 GMT
So if trump does get reelected and does the same thing to Democrats you'll be OK with that too? I do not believe the DOJ have been weaponized. Trump has been afforded way more latitude than anyone else in the same situation. Trump not only took secret documents; but showed them to people without clearance and admitted, on tape, he knew they had not been declassified. Are you really OK that he did this? I’m certain we won’t need to find out as I am 99% certain he is going to lose in ‘24. Presidents are not immune and neither are citizen candidates. |
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Post by thecitizen on Mar 20, 2024 3:42:48 GMT
I am not sure what you mean. Are you saying Garland is disloyal to Biden or Biden asked him to do something legal biden and Garland have weaponized the DOJ to go after Republicans. Sure |
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 20, 2024 6:33:10 GMT
So if trump does get reelected and does the same thing to Democrats you'll be OK with that too? I do not believe the DOJ have been weaponized. Trump has been afforded way more latitude than anyone else in the same situation. Trump not only took secret documents; but showed them to people without clearance and admitted, on tape, he knew they had not been declassified. Are you really OK that he did this? I’m certain we won’t need to find out as I am 99% certain he is going to lose in ‘24. Presidents are not immune and neither are citizen candidates.
Let's hope Trump gets defeated this year.
I'm ready to man the barricades.
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Post by Maestro on Mar 20, 2024 11:55:24 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover. Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing. The thing is, being a good at picking people and managing an organization through them was supposedly his huge strength. And it was his biggest failure as president. The chaos under which he ran the executive branch is a significant contributor to his loss. Arguably the most significant. So why is he getting the nomination? Why even hope that he'll get it right this time when he blew it last time? |
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Post by Monster Man on Mar 20, 2024 14:04:43 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover. Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing. The thing is, being a good at picking people and managing an organization through them was supposedly his huge strength. And it was his biggest failure as president. The chaos under which he ran the executive branch is a significant contributor to his loss. Arguably the most significant. So why is he getting the nomination? Why even hope that he'll get it right this time when he blew it last time? That ship has sailed. Trump is the GOP nominee. Can't blame it completely on the left or media, but when every Republican is Hitler and going to be the end of the world... that certainly did not help. Ultimately though, I blame Republicans and connected people who once again divided the party. We had one real shot, and that was DeSantis. Instead, we did exactly what we did in 2016, we fractured the party into a bunch of various Not Trump factions instead of consolidating around the best alternative. I thought we had a real shot at getting him some momentum before Iowa, but those idiots at Americans for Prosperity and the Koch Network decided to at the last minute back Nikki to barely keep her alive and competing. Not enough to ever have a shot at Trump, but certainly enough to sink DeSantis. They might as well have joined Trump and outright supported him directly for as good as that did. It is similar to 2016 when Rubio and Kasich were both too prideful or naive or whatever the reason to drop out, nope, they had to spite Ted Cruz, who was the clear leading alternative to Trump and he did have a much more clear path to a victory if those two clowns did not keep dividing the vote to give Trump a plurality to win. |
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Post by greebnurt on Mar 20, 2024 14:07:57 GMT
I do not believe the DOJ have been weaponized. Trump has been afforded way more latitude than anyone else in the same situation. Trump not only took secret documents; but showed them to people without clearance and admitted, on tape, he knew they had not been declassified. Are you really OK that he did this? I’m certain we won’t need to find out as I am 99% certain he is going to lose in ‘24. Presidents are not immune and neither are citizen candidates.
Let's hope Trump gets defeated this year.
I'm ready to man the barricades.
Thought you had a glass jaw? |
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Post by Monster Man on Mar 20, 2024 14:40:05 GMT
So if trump does get reelected and does the same thing to Democrats you'll be OK with that too? I do not believe the DOJ have been weaponized. Trump has been afforded way more latitude than anyone else in the same situation. Trump not only took secret documents; but showed them to people without clearance and admitted, on tape, he knew they had not been declassified. Are you really OK that he did this? I’m certain we won’t need to find out as I am 99% certain he is going to lose in ‘24. Presidents are not immune and neither are citizen candidates. It is not just Trump. As I have pointed out here many times, one of the most obvious examples is the enforcement of the FACE act by Garland. They sent armed FBI Agents in full gear with guns drawn to arrest an old Catholic man in front of his family... when the guys lawyers had already told the FBI he was 100% willing to come turn himself in if they did in fact issue an arrest warrant. All over a years old case that every other level of law enforcement and local prosecution declined to do anything with because the evidence clearly showed it was the abortion clinic goon that came across the street to start the fight and instigate things. They proceeded to drag him through prosecution for a jury to acquit him in something like an hour of deliberations. It is the process they are using to punish and target people. This is just one example of many for how Garland has weaponized the DOJ to show force like this, to obviously send a message. |
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Post by Maestro on Mar 20, 2024 15:41:14 GMT
The thing is, being a good at picking people and managing an organization through them was supposedly his huge strength. And it was his biggest failure as president. The chaos under which he ran the executive branch is a significant contributor to his loss. Arguably the most significant. So why is he getting the nomination? Why even hope that he'll get it right this time when he blew it last time? That ship has sailed. Trump is the GOP nominee. Can't blame it completely on the left or media, but when every Republican is Hitler and going to be the end of the world... that certainly did not help. Ultimately though, I blame Republicans and connected people who once again divided the party. We had one real shot, and that was DeSantis. Instead, we did exactly what we did in 2016, we fractured the party into a bunch of various Not Trump factions instead of consolidating around the best alternative. I thought we had a real shot at getting him some momentum before Iowa, but those idiots at Americans for Prosperity and the Koch Network decided to at the last minute back Nikki to barely keep her alive and competing. Not enough to ever have a shot at Trump, but certainly enough to sink DeSantis. They might as well have joined Trump and outright supported him directly for as good as that did. It is similar to 2016 when Rubio and Kasich were both too prideful or naive or whatever the reason to drop out, nope, they had to spite Ted Cruz, who was the clear leading alternative to Trump and he did have a much more clear path to a victory if those two clowns did not keep dividing the vote to give Trump a plurality to win. There's not a lot to disagree with there. As you say, the ship has sailed. And when given the chance, Trump proved he wasn't up to the challenge. And we got Biden as a result. The election in my State is unlikely to be close. Recent polling shows one of the two main party candidates with a commanding lead over the other (it doesn't matter which one and I guard my privacy too much to say). If that doesn't change, I'll for sure vote for someone other than those two. As long as my options are the following, my choice (C) is easy: A. Increasing the mandate of the guaranteed winner of my State that I don't support. B. Vote for a guaranteed loser of my State that I don't support. C. Vote for a guaranteed loser of my State that I do support. |
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Post by Fiddler on Mar 20, 2024 16:49:15 GMT
I hope, if anything, he has learned his lesson on just appointing connected people. He needs to appoint loyal people, loyal to his vision and policies. The last time around it was a non-stop clown show of folks not being on the same page, undermining him, and constant turnover. Gotta hand it to the Democrats, Biden comes in, appoints someone like Garland, and Garland just starts using the DOJ to go after their political rivals. Don't need any obvious discussions or collusion, Garland knew what was expected and is executing. The thing is, being a good at picking people and managing an organization through them was supposedly his huge strength. And it was his biggest failure as president. The chaos under which he ran the executive branch is a significant contributor to his loss. Arguably the most significant. So why is he getting the nomination? Why even hope that he'll get it right this time when he blew it last time? Let's recap ..
Comments about Trump from the "I only hire the best people" hand picks ..
Reince Priebus - "He's an idiot"
HR McMaster - "He's a dope"
Steven Mnuchin - "He's an idiot"
Gary Cohn - "He's dumb as shit"
John Kelly - "He's unhinged and an idiot"
James Mathis "He's a fifth grader"
Bill Barr - "Shockingly detached from reality"
Roger Stone - "America's greatest mistake"
Steve Bannon - "an 11 year old child"
Rex Tillis - "a fucking moron"
Queshank - “He's just this guy, ya know?”
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Post by Maestro on Mar 20, 2024 19:27:02 GMT
The thing is, being a good at picking people and managing an organization through them was supposedly his huge strength. And it was his biggest failure as president. The chaos under which he ran the executive branch is a significant contributor to his loss. Arguably the most significant. So why is he getting the nomination? Why even hope that he'll get it right this time when he blew it last time? Let's recap ..
Comments about Trump from the "I only hire the best people" hand picks ..
Reince Priebus - "He's an idiot"
HR McMaster - "He's a dope"
Steven Mnuchin - "He's an idiot"
Gary Cohn - "He's dumb as shit"
John Kelly - "He's unhinged and an idiot"
James Mathis "He's a fifth grader"
Bill Barr - "Shockingly detached from reality"
Roger Stone - "America's greatest mistake"
Steve Bannon - "an 11 year old child"
Rex Tillis - "a fucking moron"
Queshank - “He's just this guy, ya know?”
The dig at Q aside, you're not telling me anything new here. |
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Post by Odysseus on Mar 20, 2024 19:29:59 GMT
The thing is, being a good at picking people and managing an organization through them was supposedly his huge strength. And it was his biggest failure as president. The chaos under which he ran the executive branch is a significant contributor to his loss. Arguably the most significant. So why is he getting the nomination? Why even hope that he'll get it right this time when he blew it last time? Let's recap ..
Comments about Trump from the "I only hire the best people" hand picks ..
Reince Priebus - "He's an idiot"
HR McMaster - "He's a dope"
Steven Mnuchin - "He's an idiot"
Gary Cohn - "He's dumb as shit"
John Kelly - "He's unhinged and an idiot"
James Mathis "He's a fifth grader"
Bill Barr - "Shockingly detached from reality"
Roger Stone - "America's greatest mistake"
Steve Bannon - "an 11 year old child"
Rex Tillis - "a fucking moron"
Queshank - “He's just this guy, ya know?”
Good summary.
Thanks!
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