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Post by demos on Mar 10, 2021 16:57:46 GMT
I bet if we stay there like 20 more years the Taliban will start abiding by all of the commitments. We just need more time. Another 20 years and we'll have either pulled out because the Taliban has finally defeated the Afghan government, or we'll be defending the Taliban ( we're already acting as their air support against ISIS). |
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Post by rabbitreborn on Mar 10, 2021 17:18:55 GMT
I bet if we stay there like 20 more years the Taliban will start abiding by all of the commitments. We just need more time. Another 20 years and we'll have either pulled out because the Taliban has finally defeated the Afghan government, or we'll be defending the Taliban ( we're already acting as their air support against ISIS). 3rd option: we’ll need every troop available worldwide to defend the Capitol building in light of the latest q drop. |
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Post by MojoJojo on Mar 10, 2021 18:20:33 GMT
Neither ISIS, AQ or PATRIOTS! are valid threats to our republic.
Our tendency to over-react is, however as we end up writing even more stupid, police-state type laws in response.
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 16, 2021 17:02:36 GMT
And yet another trump mess left for Biden to fix. |
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Post by demos on Mar 16, 2021 17:43:15 GMT
And yet another trump mess left for Biden to fix. The only "fix" in Afghanistan is getting out. It's been 20 years; we can't prop that government up forever. |
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Post by oldtrapper on Mar 16, 2021 18:38:36 GMT
And yet another trump mess left for Biden to fix. The only "fix" in Afghanistan is getting out. It's been 20 years; we can't prop that government up forever. Like I said, just another mess left behind by trump that Biden needs to fix. And then there is Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc., all messes created by Republicans and left behind by trump. |
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Post by thor on Mar 17, 2021 4:41:49 GMT
And yet another trump mess left for Biden to fix. The only "fix" in Afghanistan is getting out. It's been 20 years; we can't prop that government up forever. Yes, we can't prop it up forever. That said, it would be, IMO, inadvisable to just leave. We did that once and what became the Taliban stepped into the power vacuum when the Soviets left. This has to be handled VERY carefully. |
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Post by MojoJojo on Mar 17, 2021 13:42:50 GMT
The only "fix" in Afghanistan is getting out. It's been 20 years; we can't prop that government up forever. Yes, we can't prop it up forever. That said, it would be, IMO, inadvisable to just leave. We did that once and what became the Taliban stepped into the power vacuum when the Soviets left. This has to be handled VERY carefully. Bah! The Soviets left and the Mujahideen (freedom fighters!) morphed into the Taliban, who gave cover to AQ, the group responsible for 9-11. The leader of AQ, the guy directly responsible for 9-11, is dead. Mission accomplished. Anything else is mission creep. |
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Post by thor on Mar 17, 2021 14:51:30 GMT
Yes, we can't prop it up forever. That said, it would be, IMO, inadvisable to just leave. We did that once and what became the Taliban stepped into the power vacuum when the Soviets left. This has to be handled VERY carefully. Bah! The Soviets left and the Mujahideen (freedom fighters!) morphed into the Taliban, who gave cover to AQ, the group responsible for 9-11. The leader of AQ, the guy directly responsible for 9-11, is dead. Mission accomplished. Anything else is mission creep. No doubt. That said, up and leaving immediately isn't good either. |
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Post by demos on Mar 17, 2021 16:00:41 GMT
Yes, we can't prop it up forever. That said, it would be, IMO, inadvisable to just leave. We did that once and what became the Taliban stepped into the power vacuum when the Soviets left. This has to be handled VERY carefully. The country fell into civil war between the government and the mujaheddin, then among the various warlords vying for control, or controlling certain parts of the country. Frankly, our entire handling of Afghanistan helped lead to that, because while we were pumping money into Afghanistan through Pakistan, we left the running of things to Pakistan and there was never any real U.S. leadership about what should happen after. That's when the Taliban was formed and began to rise with some eventual support from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan; they were a response to the civil war and the warlords. See Ahmend Rahid's Taliban and Steve Coll's Ghost Wars. Also, the Taliban already controls a significant amount of the country as of right now. After 20 years of training and U.S. support, the Afghan government is not able to defeat the Taliban or defend itself. It's past time to come to the realization that the Afghan government is going to be defeated. Our continued presence is prohibiting a peaceful settlement to this conflict, because the Afghan government is clinging to the security we provide rather than seriously seeking a political settlement. Sure, if we leave, the civil war will continue; who knows how long, but with the inevitable defeat of the Afghan government. |
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Post by demos on Mar 17, 2021 16:04:25 GMT
Bah! The Soviets left and the Mujahideen (freedom fighters!) morphed into the Taliban, who gave cover to AQ, the group responsible for 9-11. Point of clarification: the mujaheddin morphed into a bunch of rival warlords fighting among themselves (they kinda were already), and the Taliban formed in response to that. They were actually somewhat popular initially because they were seen as bringing an end to the chaos (obviously that didn't last). |
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Post by demos on Mar 17, 2021 20:25:04 GMT
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Post by MojoJojo on Mar 18, 2021 16:52:40 GMT
Bah! The Soviets left and the Mujahideen (freedom fighters!) morphed into the Taliban, who gave cover to AQ, the group responsible for 9-11. Point of clarification: the mujaheddin morphed into a bunch of rival warlords fighting among themselves (they kinda were already), and the Taliban formed in response to that. They were actually somewhat popular initially because they were seen as bringing an end to the chaos (obviously that didn't last). Thanks for the clarification!  |
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Post by demos on Mar 19, 2021 15:03:21 GMT
SourceWhat is the difference between leaving in November versus May? What does staying an extra 6 months get us? Serious question. Also, the next blob member to talk about a precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan should be pimp slapped.
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Post by thor on Mar 19, 2021 22:18:00 GMT
SourceWhat is the difference between leaving in November versus May? What does staying an extra 6 months get us? Serious question. Also, the next blob member to talk about a precipitous withdrawal from Afghanistan should be pimp slapped. It takes time to move people and equipment. That is one possible reason, anyway. |
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Post by demos on Mar 21, 2021 14:26:20 GMT
It takes time to move people and equipment. That is one possible reason, anyway. And they've had time to plan that; they knew when the deadline was. Once they get six more months, they'll continue to not plan any withdrawal and want another six months. But that's the cynic in me. |
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Post by demos on Mar 21, 2021 15:46:16 GMT
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