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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 22:17:06 GMT
I share your disgust with the corporate media, but that doesn't make Tuberville less of a racist.
So no example then?
I'm going to assume you are referencing what you referred to as modern "American racism" to infer that Tuberville is a racist because he denied that the people that the media always characterizes as racists ... are not always actually racists.
Because it helps illustrate a point I made earlier in the thread about how the left keeps redefining the terms and attempting to force everyone to go along with them or "suffer the consequences." Democratically of course.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 11, 2023 22:19:26 GMT
I know nothing about Tommy Tuberville, but my read of the video was that he was either being naïvely ignorant or deliberately obtuse about the term. It would have been easy to clarify, "I'm talking about a 'nationalist that is white,' not what you mean." What do you think he meant when he kept saying "I oppose racism" during those exchanges? Why did he keep stressing that? What point was he trying to illustrate?
I haven't watched this clip admittedly. I watched it play on CNN Replay this morning. Perhaps this clip is more edited. I'll go look.
Edit: Nope it's the same clip.
His opening remarks are literaly "First of all, I'm against any type of racism."
Are we mind reading now that that's not what he meant? Along with the tv personality asking the questions?
I don't doubt that he opposes racism. I think he could have and should have been much clearer about what he actually thought he was saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 22:21:56 GMT
What do you think he meant when he kept saying "I oppose racism" during those exchanges? Why did he keep stressing that? What point was he trying to illustrate?
I haven't watched this clip admittedly. I watched it play on CNN Replay this morning. Perhaps this clip is more edited. I'll go look.
Edit: Nope it's the same clip.
His opening remarks are literaly "First of all, I'm against any type of racism."
Are we mind reading now that that's not what he meant? Along with the tv personality asking the questions?
I don't doubt that he opposes racism. I think he could have and should have been much clearer about what he actually thought he was saying. For clarification. At no time in any of these threads have I been arguing Tommy Tuberville is smart or dumb, or that he is an effective communicator.
I'm simply saying that it is very clear what he means if you're not prejudging based on the spin editors are putting on the engagement.
It's not wrong that Chuck Schumer et al are "pouncing" on these statements and trying to spin them. It's literally their job.
The tragedy is that it works so very effectively in the Internet age.
And the tragedy is that this "journalist" thinks it's literally her job too.
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Post by thecitizen on Jul 12, 2023 0:00:08 GMT
This is one of those times were they are operating on two different definitions for the same term. She was going off a definition the equates white nationalist to white supremacists and he was using the leftist venacular definition that makes pretty much everyone that is white and not democrat a white nationalist. He was not using a leftist definition. That is not a leftist definition. Why do you always blame the left for the stupid shit that the far right does. As usual, the far right try redefine a word or a term. BLM, CRT, and now white nationalist. If it wasn’t racist, then why not just say nationalists.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 0:03:38 GMT
This is one of those times were they are operating on two different definitions for the same term. She was going off a definition the equates white nationalist to white supremacists and he was using the leftist venacular definition that makes pretty much everyone that is white and not democrat a white nationalist. He was not using a leftist definition. That is not a leftist definition. Why do you always blame the left for the stupid shit that the far right does. As usual, the far right try redefine a word or a term. BLM, CRT, and now white nationalist. If it wasn’t racist, then why not just say nationalists. Lmao...you say we redefine it when we use the standard definition that is in opposition to your redefinition.
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Post by thecitizen on Jul 12, 2023 0:08:04 GMT
He was not using a leftist definition. That is not a leftist definition. Why do you always blame the left for the stupid shit that the far right does. As usual, the far right try redefine a word or a term. BLM, CRT, and now white nationalist. If it wasn’t racist, then why not just say nationalists. Lmao...you say we redefine it when we use the standard definition that is in opposition to your redefinition. White nationalists is not the same as nationalists. Look them up dip shit
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 12, 2023 0:17:47 GMT
He was not using a leftist definition. That is not a leftist definition. Why do you always blame the left for the stupid shit that the far right does. As usual, the far right try redefine a word or a term. BLM, CRT, and now white nationalist. If it wasn’t racist, then why not just say nationalists. Lmao...you say we redefine it when we use the standard definition that is in opposition to your redefinition. White Nationalist is in Oxford and Merriam Webster. What RWNJ dictionary are you using? Please share.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 0:38:44 GMT
Lmao...you say we redefine it when we use the standard definition that is in opposition to your redefinition. White Nationalist is in Oxford and Merriam Webster. What RWNJ dictionary are you using? Please share. Definition? I'm talking about the venacular use of white nationalism/white supremacy/racist by the left. Y'all say everyone that isn't on board for your ideals is one of the above. That is the point Tubberville was making.
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Post by thecitizen on Jul 12, 2023 0:41:33 GMT
White Nationalist is in Oxford and Merriam Webster. What RWNJ dictionary are you using? Please share. Definition? I'm talking about the venacular use of white nationalism/white supremacy/racist by the left. Y'all say everyone that isn't on board for your ideals is one of the above. That is the point Tubberville was making. So redefining a term is Tubberville’s point. That’s what RWNJs do
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 12, 2023 0:42:03 GMT
White Nationalist is in Oxford and Merriam Webster. What RWNJ dictionary are you using? Please share. Definition? I'm talking about the venacular use of white nationalism/white supremacy/racist by the left. Y'all say everyone that isn't on board for your ideals is one of the above. That is the point Tubberville was making. Tuberville is a fucking idiot that apparently doesn't understand the words he's speaking. That's the defense?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 0:44:52 GMT
Definition? I'm talking about the venacular use of white nationalism/white supremacy/racist by the left. Y'all say everyone that isn't on board for your ideals is one of the above. That is the point Tubberville was making. So redefining a term is Tubberville’s point. That’s what RWNJs do No. He's addressing the redefined use. He didn't redefine it.
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Post by thecitizen on Jul 12, 2023 0:46:10 GMT
So redefining a term is Tubberville’s point. That’s what RWNJs do No. He's addressing the redefined use. He didn't redefine it. There is no redefined use. He redefined it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 0:46:26 GMT
Definition? I'm talking about the venacular use of white nationalism/white supremacy/racist by the left. Y'all say everyone that isn't on board for your ideals is one of the above. That is the point Tubberville was making. Tuberville is a fucking idiot that apparently doesn't understand the words he's speaking. That's the defense? No. He's addressing the the stupidity of the left. And now they are freaking out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 0:46:44 GMT
No. He's addressing the redefined use. He didn't redefine it. There is no redefined use. He redefined it Nope. He's addressing the redefined use.
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Post by thecitizen on Jul 12, 2023 0:48:44 GMT
There is no redefined use. He redefined it Nope. He's addressing the redefined use. So what is the redefined use? It appears you make shit up as you go along. We all know what a white nationalist is. Who redefined it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 0:52:44 GMT
Nope. He's addressing the redefined use. So what is the redefined use? It appears you make shit up as you go along. We all know what a white nationalist is. Who redefined it? The redefined use is the lefts assertion that everyone that isn't down with their ideals is white nationalist/white supremacists/racist. Why do you think they call Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy? Why do you think they made racist cartoons of Condeleza Rice? Why do you think they attack Justice Thomas so much? Anyone, that disagrees with the left is a WN/WS/R, in their mind.
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 12, 2023 0:58:21 GMT
Tuberville is a fucking idiot that apparently doesn't understand the words he's speaking. That's the defense? No. He's addressing the the stupidity of the left. And now they are freaking out. So Tuberville is smart, a trailblazer, changing the lexicon?
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Post by thecitizen on Jul 12, 2023 1:04:59 GMT
So what is the redefined use? It appears you make shit up as you go along. We all know what a white nationalist is. Who redefined it? The redefined use is the lefts assertion that everyone that isn't down with their ideals is white nationalist/white supremacists/racist. Why do you think they call Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy? Why do you think they made racist cartoons of Condeleza Rice? Why do you think they attack Justice Thomas so much? Anyone, that disagrees with the left is a WN/WS/R, in their mind. Where do you get this shit from. White nationalists are white supremacist groups period. Plain and simple. There are racists that call Obama and his wife a monkey and wanted to hang Obama. Does that represent all republicans, no, but it does represent racists which are a part of the Republican Party. People disagree with republicans all of the time. Sometimes because of the stupid racist things they do and say and they are called out for it. But also things that have nothing to do with race like abortion, the stupid Biden whistle blowers and gun reform. Every stupid thing the right does is not about race
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Post by greebnurt on Jul 12, 2023 1:17:30 GMT
So what is the redefined use? It appears you make shit up as you go along. We all know what a white nationalist is. Who redefined it? The redefined use is the lefts assertion that everyone that isn't down with their ideals is white nationalist/white supremacists/racist. Bullshit and you know it. Playing the victim is beneath you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 1:24:00 GMT
The redefined use is the lefts assertion that everyone that isn't down with their ideals is white nationalist/white supremacists/racist. Why do you think they call Larry Elder the black face of white supremacy? Why do you think they made racist cartoons of Condeleza Rice? Why do you think they attack Justice Thomas so much? Anyone, that disagrees with the left is a WN/WS/R, in their mind. Where do you get this shit from. You and your ilk. Y'all call everyone that disagrees with you racists. You don't like that we see that? Tough. Do you want to address uncle Joe's racism? Oh please. You call everyone that disagrees with you racist. The only reason you are back tracking now is that you're losing the argument.
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