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Post by Greg55_99 on Jul 11, 2023 16:35:05 GMT
I watched the same thing as ksu on CNN Greg. Tuber kept pushing back on the assertion that the people the CNN anchor was calling white nationalists were actually racist white nationalists. There are white people with nationalistic leanings. That doesn't make them white supremacists despite pushes from dishonest organizations like CNN to connect those dots in the minds of their viewers.
Actually Q, it DOES make them racists. A White Nationalist IS a racist. You can parse it all you want, but that is what it is. Greg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 16:36:36 GMT
I watched the same thing as ksu on CNN Greg. Tuber kept pushing back on the assertion that the people the CNN anchor was calling white nationalists were actually racist white nationalists. There are white people with nationalistic leanings. That doesn't make them white supremacists despite pushes from dishonest organizations like CNN to connect those dots in the minds of their viewers.
Actually Q, it DOES make them racists. A White Nationalist IS a racist. You can parse it all you want, but that is what it is. Greg
But a white nationalist isn't.
So... whatcha gonna do?
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Post by sokpupet on Jul 11, 2023 18:07:41 GMT
You, much like Tuberville, are conveniently glossing over the fact that the term "white nationalist" has an actual definition.
And you are glossing over how dishonest organizations like CNN and dishonest brokers like the anchor questioning Tuberville have corrupted and abused that "actual definition."
White Nationalism is a perfect way to describe what has become of too many RWers. If the shoe fits…
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 18:17:28 GMT
A White Nationalist is by definition racist.
If you are white and pro America you really need to find a new label for yourself or suffer the consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:27:45 GMT
And you are glossing over how dishonest organizations like CNN and dishonest brokers like the anchor questioning Tuberville have corrupted and abused that "actual definition."
White Nationalism is a perfect way to describe what has become of too many RWers. If the shoe fits…
Sure sok. Sure. Or so dishonest organizations like CNN and dishonest brokers like the anchor questioning Tuberville see fit to promote.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:46:16 GMT
A White Nationalist is by definition racist. If you are white and pro America you really need to find a new label for yourself or suffer the consequences. An organization redefines terms in pursuit of its own financial and prestige interests. Like say ... the abysmal Southern Poverty Law Center that only clowns still consider credible and objective. News outlets setting narratives perpetuate new terms or "suffer the consequences."
Shit rolling downhill as it does ... people need to accept redefined terms or "suffer the consequences."
You pretty clearly nailed the struggle in America right now. Authoritarian top down rulership issuing decrees from on high that the peasantry had best comply with or suffer the consequences ... versus democracy.
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Post by greebnurt on Jul 11, 2023 18:52:36 GMT
A White Nationalist is by definition racist. If you are white and pro America you really need to find a new label for yourself or suffer the consequences. An organization redefines terms in pursuit of its own financial and prestige interests. Like say ... the abysmal Southern Poverty Law Center that only clowns still consider credible and objective. News outlets setting narratives perpetuate new terms or "suffer the consequences."
Shit rolling downhill as it does ... people need to accept redefined terms or "suffer the consequences."
You pretty clearly nailed the struggle in America right now. Authoritarian top down rulership issuing decrees from on high that the peasantry had best comply with or suffer the consequences ... versus democracy.
The term has been in use for over 70 years. Its not new, and it has always been defined in the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:56:28 GMT
An organization redefines terms in pursuit of its own financial and prestige interests. Like say ... the abysmal Southern Poverty Law Center that only clowns still consider credible and objective. News outlets setting narratives perpetuate new terms or "suffer the consequences."
Shit rolling downhill as it does ... people need to accept redefined terms or "suffer the consequences."
You pretty clearly nailed the struggle in America right now. Authoritarian top down rulership issuing decrees from on high that the peasantry had best comply with or suffer the consequences ... versus democracy.
The term has been in use for over 70 years. Its not new, and it has always been defined in the same way. Yup. The term has been in use for over 70 years and has a very clear definition. But it has been redefined in recent years. Perhaps with all the gloss being thrown around you slipped right over the "An organization redefines terms in pursuit of its own financial and political interests" part of my post.
Y'see there's been a problem for those who have built their political futures on racism. There's simply not a big enough supply of racism to meet the artificially created demand in recent years. It has required some fudging of the terms so they cover a wider swath of the population and can be properly fearmongered enough to drive political energy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:57:56 GMT
See threads like this for more greebnurt.
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 11, 2023 19:16:24 GMT
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Post by Mercy for All on Jul 11, 2023 19:17:06 GMT
I watched the same thing as ksu on CNN Greg. Tuber kept pushing back on the assertion that the people the CNN anchor was calling white nationalists were actually racist white nationalists. There are white people with nationalistic leanings. That doesn't make them white supremacists despite pushes from dishonest organizations like CNN to connect those dots in the minds of their viewers.
"White nationalist" doesn't mean "a nationalist who happens to be white."
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 19:22:14 GMT
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 19:27:08 GMT
Idiot tries to double down then caves.
He'll be caving a bunch more in the next couple of days.
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 19:29:40 GMT
How long until our resident idiots/racists start seeing the light?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 19:31:53 GMT
I watched the same thing as ksu on CNN Greg. Tuber kept pushing back on the assertion that the people the CNN anchor was calling white nationalists were actually racist white nationalists. There are white people with nationalistic leanings. That doesn't make them white supremacists despite pushes from dishonest organizations like CNN to connect those dots in the minds of their viewers.
"White nationalist" doesn't mean "a nationalist who happens to be white." Yes MFA. You and I are both well aware of that fact.
The others in this thread and on CNN and on major news outlets are the ones that are having trouble understanding that a white man can be a nationalist and not be a White Nationalist. I have been very specific about how I respond to those like Greg who capitalize "White Nationalist" thereby indicating they are talking about the ideology, and those who understand that Tommy Tuberville is drawing a distinction between the racist ideology and a nationalist who happens to be white. Which is all one has to be to be branded a racist in today's' political climate. Because some of our thought leaders in this country have seen profit in perpetuating that kind of a narrative. It's just convenient we can't "hear" capitalization, no? Plenty of room to game the system then.
Why do you imagine Tommy Tuberville kept stressing he opposes racism in that exchange?
The heroes in our society are the ones who are standing up to this top down reconstruction of American society and in fact, reality. Like, sad as it is and as much as I cringe to admit it ... Tommy Tuberville. You can consider him an American Jordan Peterson.
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 11, 2023 19:36:16 GMT
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 19:36:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 19:54:18 GMT
LOL the central role POS John Thune is playing in this story says it all.
But I truly enjoy this exchange and how it's being headlined.
Tuberville doubles down on his comments insists he disagrees. Then as he's walking away after saying "racism is bad" and "next question, next question, next question" several times, she says "are white nationalists racist." He whips around and says "Yes. If that's who the racist is then yes." There was no "I'm backing off and agreeing with you" in his body language and demeanor. He never tried to deny that a white nationalist can be a racist. He has only been stressing that a nationalist who happens to be white is an American. And considering the definition of nationalist ... he's right.
Isn't it odd that the people who seem super concerned about definitions keep trying to redefine these terms and use them as attacks on their political opponents?
People who have no fucking clue how politics work think this is no big deal and Tuberville should just let news outlets set narratives and call his entire constituency racists by proxy. The John McCain approach to politics. The John Thune approach to politics.
The reason the Trumplican movement exists.
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 20:12:02 GMT
White nationalist noun
1. a person who supports the perceived political interests of the white population within a particular country, especially to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups.
adjective 2. supporting the perceived political interests of the white population within a particular country, especially to the exclusion or detriment of other racial and ethnic groups.
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Post by CadesCove on Jul 11, 2023 20:14:13 GMT
white nationalist
nounpluralwhite nationalists: one of a group of militant white people who espouse white supremacy (see WHITE SUPREMACY sense 1) and advocate enforced racial segregation… his vision for the community—an enclave where residents fly "racialist" banners, where they are able to import enough … white nationalists to take control of the town government …—John Eligonwhite nationalism noun or less commonly White Nationalism… a far right platform that includes white nationalism and opposition to Israel.—Mike Sunnucks
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/white%20nationalist
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