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Post by jasmine on Jun 28, 2020 23:45:48 GMT
I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt unless given a reason to believe otherwise.
As it should be for the victims of violent crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 23:46:45 GMT
As it should be for the victims of violent crime.
Jussie Smollett says hi. Jussie Smollett wasn't a defund councilperson who was facing intimidation, threats and doxxing. There is smoke here. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 28, 2020 23:53:42 GMT
Jussie Smollett wasn't a defund councilperson who was facing intimidation, threats and doxxing. There is smoke here.
Maybe Jasmine is just exercising her right to be in favor of violent crime.
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Post by jasmine on Jun 28, 2020 23:56:47 GMT
Jussie Smollett wasn't a defund councilperson who was facing intimidation, threats and doxxing. There is smoke here. My point stands. People lie all the time. If this councilwoman was Pro-Police, I doubt you would be so willing to believe her. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 0:10:23 GMT
Jussie Smollett wasn't a defund councilperson who was facing intimidation, threats and doxxing. There is smoke here. My point stands. People lie all the time. If this councilwoman was Pro-Police, I doubt you would be so willing to believe her. Actually, I would. My biases are strong but they aren't as strong as you are implying. I don't routinely dismiss articles from credible sources because they cut against my biases. And this isn't from some conspiracy site. Its the local news. Its a direct quote from the actual people involved, no anonymous sources. And the events are capable of being verified. Did an ambulance go to that address on such and such date? Were the neighbors actually witnesses? Was there a police report filed? These are all things that are easy to find information on. And the doxxing and internet harassment can all be corroborated as well. But by all means, if there is some reason why we suspect these are lies, I am happy to consider it. |
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Post by jasmine on Jun 29, 2020 0:25:16 GMT
My point stands. People lie all the time. If this councilwoman was Pro-Police, I doubt you would be so willing to believe her. Actually, I would. My biases are strong but they aren't as strong as you are implying. I don't routinely dismiss articles from credible sources because they cut against my biases. And this isn't from some conspiracy site. Its the local news. Its a direct quote from the actual people involved, no anonymous sources. And the events are capable of being verified. Did an ambulance go to that address on such and such date? Were the neighbors actually witnesses? Was there a police report filed? These are all things that are easy to find information on. And the doxxing and internet harassment can all be corroborated as well. But by all means, if there is some reason why we suspect these are lies, I am happy to consider it. I’m suggesting that the victim could be outright lying, maybe in conjunction with this councilwoman. It happens. Mainstream news outlets reported the Jussie Smollett story, too. We are living in times where people make up stories all the time to either draw attention or to further a political point. And the media just eats it up. Everyone thought someone targeted the NASCAR guy with a noose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 0:36:00 GMT
Actually, I would. My biases are strong but they aren't as strong as you are implying. I don't routinely dismiss articles from credible sources because they cut against my biases. And this isn't from some conspiracy site. Its the local news. Its a direct quote from the actual people involved, no anonymous sources. And the events are capable of being verified. Did an ambulance go to that address on such and such date? Were the neighbors actually witnesses? Was there a police report filed? These are all things that are easy to find information on. And the doxxing and internet harassment can all be corroborated as well. But by all means, if there is some reason why we suspect these are lies, I am happy to consider it. I’m suggesting that the victim could be outright lying, maybe in conjunction with this councilwoman. It happens. Mainstream news outlets reported the Jussie Smollett story, too. We are living in times where people make up stories all the time to either draw attention or to further a political point. And the media just eats it up. Everyone thought someone targeted the NASCAR guy with a noose. Well, if it is true that it is all a lie we will know it soon enough. Somehow I don't think our pro-police friends are going to change their tune if we find out someone was raped, an ambulance did go to the address, the doxxing was real and done by a cop, etc. My Paleo friends won't acknowledge evidence that many confederate statues were done in poor taste, with a racially insensitive and legally outdated message. We often only see what we want. I expect this to be another issue along those lines. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 0:42:49 GMT
Actually, I would. My biases are strong but they aren't as strong as you are implying. I don't routinely dismiss articles from credible sources because they cut against my biases. And this isn't from some conspiracy site. Its the local news. Its a direct quote from the actual people involved, no anonymous sources. And the events are capable of being verified. Did an ambulance go to that address on such and such date? Were the neighbors actually witnesses? Was there a police report filed? These are all things that are easy to find information on. And the doxxing and internet harassment can all be corroborated as well. But by all means, if there is some reason why we suspect these are lies, I am happy to consider it. I’m suggesting that the victim could be outright lying, maybe in conjunction with this councilwoman. It happens. Mainstream news outlets reported the Jussie Smollett story, too. We are living in times where people make up stories all the time to either draw attention or to further a political point. And the media just eats it up. Everyone thought someone targeted the NASCAR guy with a noose. Well, there is the possibility that while the noose was there before Bubba Wallace moved into that garage, it was put there by a racist for racist reasons anyway.
Was that you?
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Post by jasmine on Jun 29, 2020 0:46:15 GMT
I’m suggesting that the victim could be outright lying, maybe in conjunction with this councilwoman. It happens. Mainstream news outlets reported the Jussie Smollett story, too. We are living in times where people make up stories all the time to either draw attention or to further a political point. And the media just eats it up. Everyone thought someone targeted the NASCAR guy with a noose. Well, if it is true that it is all a lie we will know it soon enough. Somehow I don't think our pro-police friends are going to change their tune if we find out someone was raped, an ambulance did go to the address, the doxxing was real and done by a cop, etc. My Paleo friends won't acknowledge evidence that many confederate statues were done in poor taste, with a racially insensitive and legally outdated message. We often only see what we want. I expect this to be another issue along those lines. If she was indeed raped, I hope they catch the guy and execute him. People of all political persuasions do the doxing thing. I’m not sure what can be done about that. I’m really surprised by your statue stance. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 0:52:41 GMT
Well, if it is true that it is all a lie we will know it soon enough. Somehow I don't think our pro-police friends are going to change their tune if we find out someone was raped, an ambulance did go to the address, the doxxing was real and done by a cop, etc. My Paleo friends won't acknowledge evidence that many confederate statues were done in poor taste, with a racially insensitive and legally outdated message. We often only see what we want. I expect this to be another issue along those lines. If she was indeed raped, I hope they catch the guy and execute him. People of all political persuasions do the doxing thing. I’m not sure what can be done about that. I’m really surprised by your statue stance.
What is your obsession with capital punishment all about, not just for rape, but also for the most minor of infractions? Are you that nuts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 0:53:20 GMT
Well, if it is true that it is all a lie we will know it soon enough. Somehow I don't think our pro-police friends are going to change their tune if we find out someone was raped, an ambulance did go to the address, the doxxing was real and done by a cop, etc. My Paleo friends won't acknowledge evidence that many confederate statues were done in poor taste, with a racially insensitive and legally outdated message. We often only see what we want. I expect this to be another issue along those lines. I’m really surprised by your statue stance. That's odd, I remember you agreeing with it. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 0:57:14 GMT
I’m really surprised by your statue stance. That's odd, I remember you agreeing with it.
She'd agree if you advocated the death penalty for vandalism.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 0:59:31 GMT
That's odd, I remember you agreeing with it.
She'd agree if you advocated the death penalty for vandalism.
Sure but she also agreed that statues with racial imagery (such as two fountains, one labeled for blacks, the other for whites) was indeed problematic and in poor taste. I doubt she forgot. Its only been a couple days. |
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Post by jasmine on Jun 29, 2020 1:01:17 GMT
I’m really surprised by your statue stance. That's odd, I remember you agreeing with it. I agreed that statues favoring a political cause shouldn’t be standing on government property. I just don’t get your point about “racially insensitive” and “outdated message.” We can’t keep tearing down things just because some people get their feelings hurt. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 1:01:33 GMT
She'd agree if you advocated the death penalty for vandalism.
Sure but she also agreed that statues with racial imagery (such as two fountains, one labeled for blacks, the other for whites) was indeed problematic and in poor taste. I doubt she forgot. Its only been a couple days. I don't recall that post.
Surely you can find it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 1:06:34 GMT
That's odd, I remember you agreeing with it. I agreed that statues favoring a political cause shouldn’t be standing on government property. I just don’t get your point about “racially insensitive” and “outdated message.” We can’t keep tearing down things just because some people get their feelings hurt. The point is these statues are thoroughly political and the politics they represented is outdated and racially insensitive. And if you have a question about what evidence there is for this, I would point you to that thread that I started on the subject. Maestro and myself found numerous examples of dedication speeches celebrating domestic terrorism (KKK), pure "Anglo" blood, and a Jim Crow apartheid legal system, not to mention monuments with the racism embedded in the actual statue itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 1:08:12 GMT
Sure but she also agreed that statues with racial imagery (such as two fountains, one labeled for blacks, the other for whites) was indeed problematic and in poor taste. I doubt she forgot. Its only been a couple days. I don't recall that post.
Surely you can find it?
Its reply #36 on page 2. |
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Post by jasmine on Jun 29, 2020 1:17:34 GMT
I agreed that statues favoring a political cause shouldn’t be standing on government property. I just don’t get your point about “racially insensitive” and “outdated message.” We can’t keep tearing down things just because some people get their feelings hurt. The point is these statues are thoroughly political and the politics they represented is outdated and racially insensitive. And if you have a question about what evidence there is for this, I would point you to that thread that I started on the subject. Maestro and myself found numerous examples of dedication speeches celebrating domestic terrorism (KKK), pure "Anglo" blood, and a Jim Crow apartheid legal system, not to mention monuments with the racism embedded in the actual statue itself. My point is, who cares if they’re racially insensitive? I don’t believe in casting aside history just because it’s considered insensitive. I already know the answer to this, but please humor me: The KK is considered racially insensitive. Should the organization be banned from existing? |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 1:23:20 GMT
Thanks.
For the benefit of posterity, here is the post in question:
So, if I'm not mistaken, he/she came out in favor of removing some offensive statues via an orderly, non-violent, government approved method. Perhaps with a court order. But not by outraged mobs.
Jas, is that right?
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 1:25:46 GMT
The point is these statues are thoroughly political and the politics they represented is outdated and racially insensitive. And if you have a question about what evidence there is for this, I would point you to that thread that I started on the subject. Maestro and myself found numerous examples of dedication speeches celebrating domestic terrorism (KKK), pure "Anglo" blood, and a Jim Crow apartheid legal system, not to mention monuments with the racism embedded in the actual statue itself. My point is, who cares if they’re racially insensitive? I don’t believe in casting aside history just because it’s considered insensitive. I already know the answer to this, but please humor me: The KK is considered racially insensitive. Should the organization be banned from existing? If a court, or local government body, ruled that the KK(K) was in violation of somebody's civil rights, would you be in favor of it being cited, fined, and subject to other punishment?
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