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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 1:26:24 GMT
Has anyone bothered to ask the actual victim in this case?
This is a weird article.
And the link to her "posts on social media" is dead now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 1:32:45 GMT
The point is these statues are thoroughly political and the politics they represented is outdated and racially insensitive. And if you have a question about what evidence there is for this, I would point you to that thread that I started on the subject. Maestro and myself found numerous examples of dedication speeches celebrating domestic terrorism (KKK), pure "Anglo" blood, and a Jim Crow apartheid legal system, not to mention monuments with the racism embedded in the actual statue itself. My point is, who cares if they’re racially insensitive? I don’t believe in casting aside history just because it’s considered insensitive. I already know the answer to this, but please humor me: The KK is considered racially insensitive. Should the organization be banned from existing? Who? I care. Lots of other people care. To the extent we care about preserving order, we care about signaling that the law is fair and just so it is worthy of the people's faith and hope. If not we're back to courting chaos. No, the KKK should not be banned from existing, not to the extent they are peaceful. |
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Post by jasmine on Jun 29, 2020 1:43:58 GMT
No, the KKK should not be banned from existing, not to the extent they are peaceful. That’s what I figured you’d say. I agree. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 2:01:01 GMT
My point is, who cares if they’re racially insensitive? I don’t believe in casting aside history just because it’s considered insensitive. I already know the answer to this, but please humor me: The KK is considered racially insensitive. Should the organization be banned from existing? Who? I care. Lots of other people care. To the extent we care about preserving order, we care about signaling that the law is fair and just so its worthy of the peoples faith and hope. If not we're back to courting chaos. No, the KKK should not be banned from existing, not to the extent they are peaceful. If a court, or local government body, ruled that the KK(K) was in violation of somebody's civil rights, would you be in favor of it being cited, fined, and subject to other punishment? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 2:02:52 GMT
Who? I care. Lots of other people care. To the extent we care about preserving order, we care about signaling that the law is fair and just so its worthy of the peoples faith and hope. If not we're back to courting chaos. No, the KKK should not be banned from existing, not to the extent they are peaceful. If a court, or local government body, ruled that the KK(K) was in violation of somebody's civil rights, would you be in favor of it being cited, fined, and subject to other punishment? Most certainly. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jun 29, 2020 2:16:14 GMT
If a court, or local government body, ruled that the KK(K) was in violation of somebody's civil rights, would you be in favor of it being cited, fined, and subject to other punishment? Most certainly. Thanks.
But Jas is strangely silent on the subject of this prospective punishment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 21:42:35 GMT
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Post by jasmine on Jul 5, 2020 22:31:03 GMT
Is doxing illegal?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 22:45:08 GMT
That article is pretty thin on evidence. Scott claiming the attack was meant for her doesn't make it so and "'Maybe next time you'll learn your lesson" could just as easily be some monster's admonition against being a woman out alone, not being aware of her surroundings, turning a guy down at a bar the week before, or a thousand other things. I mean, she could be right, but she has very little evidence to back it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 0:17:32 GMT
That article is pretty thin on evidence. Scott claiming the attack was meant for her doesn't make it so and "'Maybe next time you'll learn your lesson" could just as easily be some monster's admonition against being a woman out alone, not being aware of her surroundings, turning a guy down at a bar the week before, or a thousand other things. I mean, she could be right, but she has very little evidence to back it up. That's fair. At this point it is more "smoke than fire." But it is suspicious enough to warrant an investigation |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 0:19:47 GMT
From what I have read in a quick search, the short answer is: no, its not illegal. But in some cases it can be depending on the situation. And different states have different laws on the matter. |
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Post by jasmine on Jul 6, 2020 0:33:50 GMT
From what I have read in a quick search, the short answer is: no, its not illegal. But in some cases it can be depending on the situation. And different states have different laws on the matter. I think it’s a bad practice, but politicians have done it to private citizens, too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 1:16:01 GMT
That article is pretty thin on evidence. Scott claiming the attack was meant for her doesn't make it so and "'Maybe next time you'll learn your lesson" could just as easily be some monster's admonition against being a woman out alone, not being aware of her surroundings, turning a guy down at a bar the week before, or a thousand other things. I mean, she could be right, but she has very little evidence to back it up. That's fair. At this point it is more "smoke than fire." But it is suspicious enough to warrant an investigation There's a rape allegation, so obviously that should be investigated. But Scott (a third party) has presented no evidence for her claim. When Trump does this, the media jumps all over his claims, making sure we all know they are "unfounded" or made "without evidence" and rightly so. I see no difference here. Her claim is made without evidence and should be treated as such. I'm not saying the police should ignore the possibility, but they should go where the evidence takes them and, in addition, it would be nice if the media treated this claim with as much skepticism as they treat others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 1:23:37 GMT
That's fair. At this point it is more "smoke than fire." But it is suspicious enough to warrant an investigation There's a rape allegation, so obviously that should be investigated. But Scott (a third party) has presented no evidence for her claim. When Trump does this, the media jumps all over his claims, making sure we all know they are "unfounded" or made "without evidence" and rightly so. I see no difference here. Yeah I wouldn't say for sure she was the intended target. I would say it is highly probable and should be considered. But if I were in her position, I would definitely think I was the intended target. The attack on the neighbor may have been purely circumstantial and coincidental, of course, but in my opinion, that looks incredibly unlikely. |
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Post by petep on Jul 6, 2020 22:20:05 GMT
Tl you know there are stats regarding crime, who commits it, white on white, white in black, dem run areas vs Repub run areas. Etc. the conclusions are quite clear.
Also, do you know who Jussie smollett is?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 16:42:01 GMT
Tl you know there are stats regarding crime, who commits it, white on white, white in black, dem run areas vs Repub run areas. Etc. the conclusions are quite clear. Also, do you know who Jussie smollett is? I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the topic at hand. But the Jussie Smollet reference seems to be courting whataboutery. |
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Post by Odysseus on Jul 7, 2020 16:55:57 GMT
Tl you know there are stats regarding crime, who commits it, white on white, white in black, dem run areas vs Repub run areas. Etc. the conclusions are quite clear. Also, do you know who Jussie smollett is? I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the topic at hand. But the Jussie Smollet reference seems to be courting whataboutery.
He defaults to the Smollet case because he's got nothing of substance.
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Post by Fiddler on Jul 7, 2020 17:44:35 GMT
My point stands. People lie all the time. If this councilwoman was Pro-Police, I doubt you would be so willing to believe her. But by all means, if there is some reason why we suspect these are lies, I am happy to consider it.
Well .. because it runs counter of the narrative to which their tribe ascribes ..
What the OP needs is a good Q'splaining so we can understand how this benefits Trump..
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