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Post by Odysseus on Sept 1, 2020 7:40:48 GMT
Is that an almost completely invisible Vlad Putin on a stool next to Trump?
Is it possible to distinguish between Donald Trump and a stool?
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Post by freonbale on Sept 1, 2020 12:58:26 GMT
Where did I say no riots?... Igor, you can't be serious. There were riots to the degree that there are now? That is what I meant. You are a very literal person. I will try to remember that. Freon |
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Post by Fiddler on Sept 1, 2020 13:32:15 GMT
I guess he didn't hear about the neo Nazis getting their pickemup trucks in Portland and mowing down people in the streets, shooting paintball guns and teargas as pedestrians?
Or is he just choosing to ignore that lawlessness?
By the way, Fiddler and I were talking about protests against Obama; what does your little digression have to do with that?
No.. We're talking about whether or not "did the right go nuts when Obama was elected." The answer is obviously "like has never been seen before" ..
“Obama was born in Kenya” “He’s a Muslim” “He was sworn in on the Quran.” "Obama is “the founder of ISIS,” "
Tens of thousands of hours of racist vitriol from right-wing talking shitheads.. Effigies lynched..
Then there's the unprecedented rise in right-wing hate groups following Obama's election.. Jumping from 149 in 2008 to 1360 in 2012.
All bolstering what we've known for decades.. ALL the far-right is willing and many are eager to abolish our Constitution if it means justice and equal treatment for minorities..
The notion that the Right DIDN'T go nuts is simply more of your infamous and thoroughly debunked revisionist history.
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Post by Lomelis on Sept 1, 2020 14:37:53 GMT
Igor, you can't be serious. There were riots to the degree that there are now? That is what I meant. You are a very literal person. I will try to remember that. Freon Lol. I speak English. What is your native language? |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 1, 2020 14:44:50 GMT
There were riots to the degree that there are now? That is what I meant. You are a very literal person. I will try to remember that. Freon Lol. I speak English. What is your native language? That would be Klingon. Freon |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 15:34:51 GMT
I was simply throwing your ridiculous statement right back at you. You do not get to decide what 'normal' is. I think you are confusing 'common' with normal. You are common, but that is not necessarily normal. Freon I'm proud to be "common", but not in the way that you imply. Common sense tells me what is normal and what is not.
Like lipstick on a pig, the perversions that the left peddles will never be normal to a critical thinker.
Liberals may use PC and cancel culture to force society to pretend that their moral deviancy is a wonderful thing, but deep down a independent thinker like myself will always recognize that those leftist mandates are depraved, vile and yes, abnormal.
I'm still waiting for an objective explanation of how the riots are somehow Trump's fault or responsibility. Hint: Orange Man Bad! is not acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 15:44:51 GMT
By the way, Fiddler and I were talking about protests against Obama; what does your little digression have to do with that?
No.. We're talking about whether or not "did the right go nuts when Obama was elected." The answer is obviously "like has never been seen before" ..
“Obama was born in Kenya” “He’s a Muslim” “He was sworn in on the Quran.” "Obama is “the founder of ISIS,” "
Tens of thousands of hours of racist vitriol from right-wing talking shitheads.. Effigies lynched..
Then there's the unprecedented rise in right-wing hate groups following Obama's election.. Jumping from 149 in 2008 to 1360 in 2012.
All bolstering what we've known for decades.. ALL the far-right is willing and many are eager to abolish our Constitution if it means justice and equal treatment for minorities..
The notion that the Right DIDN'T go nuts is simply more of your infamous and thoroughly debunked revisionist history.
So, to summarize your inane post...right wingers SAID things (free speech, not violence) about Obama that were disagreeable to the pinhead liberals, race pimps and snowflakes that infest the left wing...Oh, how awful for you.
But they DIDN'T RIOT AND LOOT which was actually the point. The liberal animals were in the streets protesting in the first days after the 2016 election; the right did not in 2008 or 2012.
"Right Wing Hate Groups"? Please tell me you're not peddling propaganda from that sh*thole SPLC. Not smart, nor accurate.
And don't start with that "abolish the Constitution" fiction. You know better than that. The right respects and actually follows the Constitution, unlike most leftists.
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Post by freonbale on Sept 1, 2020 16:23:17 GMT
I was simply throwing your ridiculous statement right back at you. You do not get to decide what 'normal' is. I think you are confusing 'common' with normal. You are common, but that is not necessarily normal. Freon I'm proud to be "common", but not in the way that you imply. Common sense tells me what is normal and what is not.
Like lipstick on a pig, the perversions that the left peddles will never be normal to a critical thinker.
Liberals may use PC and cancel culture to force society to pretend that their moral deviancy is a wonderful thing, but deep down a independent thinker like myself will always recognize that those leftist mandates are depraved, vile and yes, abnormal.
I'm still waiting for an objective explanation of how the riots are somehow Trump's fault or responsibility. Hint: Orange Man Bad! is not acceptable.
To me, common means uneducated, as in, commoner. And by uneducated, I mean no four year degree or higher. This cold civil war we are in right now is between educated and uneducated Americans. Those who know more, tend to be against Trump. Those who know less, seem to be for him. Your argument is that those who know less, somehow are more capable of making good choices. That is a bizarre concept, which I cannot think of a single situation that would be true. Would you prefer someone less knowledgeable doing surgery on you? Flying the airplane? Designing the building? Even cooking your food? The only reason I can think of that a less knowledgeable person would say that is to seem like they are equals with those who are. You're not. You ARE equal Americans. Your vote is equal to mine, but in terms of capacity to make good decisions, I fail to see how you can claim that more knowledge is WORSE than less. If you said we are equal, I might bend to your point of view slightly, but you are not saying that. You are saying you are BETTER than me at making decisions. That is a naive, uneducated conclusion to me. Freon |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 19:28:00 GMT
To me, common means uneducated, as in, commoner. And by uneducated, I mean no four year degree or higher. This cold civil war we are in right now is between educated and uneducated Americans. Those who know more, tend to be against Trump. Those who know less, seem to be for him. Your argument is that those who know less, somehow are more capable of making good choices. My argument? First, let me correct what you have speciously said above. MY argument is that it is not very smart to confuse education with intelligence. Conservatives and Trump supporters display far more intelligence on political matters than do liberals and those who oppose Trump. Higher education is fine as far as it goes, but experience, common sense, thinking critically and a continuing appetite for new information are more indicative of a person's intelligence. The number of degrees that one has is definitely NOT a good indicator of intelligence. BTW, "commoner" is a term typically reserved for use by the arrogant elitists of an imagined monarchy. Such archaic terminology is an anathema to our republican ideals. Elitists are not well regarded in America. That is a bizarre concept, which I cannot think of a single situation that would be true. Would you prefer someone less knowledgeable doing surgery on you? Flying the airplane? Designing the building? Even cooking your food? Most folks have developed expertise in their career field and will far exceed most of us in knowledge on that subject. That's a given. But it's stupid to assume that a surgeon, pilot, architect or chef are political geniuses simply because they have knowledge in their profession. Or a higher degree. A physics professor may have Einstein level knowledge about physics, but still be a moron when the subject is politics, history or philosophy. Your generalizations about education have no meaningful tie to one's political acumen. The only reason I can think of that a less knowledgeable person would say that is to seem like they are equals with those who are. You're not. You ARE equal Americans. Your vote is equal to mine, but in terms of capacity to make good decisions, I fail to see how you can claim that more knowledge is WORSE than less. If you said we are equal, I might bend to your point of view slightly, but you are not saying that. You are saying you are BETTER than me at making decisions. That is a naive, uneducated conclusion to me. Freon Your conclusions are completely wrong here. You've made the fallacious assumption that more education translates both to a higher level of political expertise and the "capacity to make good decisions". Higher education levels do not necessarily equate to the skill to think critically and make those good decisions; you are mistaken in thinking that it does. I've seen doctorate level folks who just have no practical sense at all. No common sense. Let's get this straight. I've made no claim that being less knowledgeable is better than more knowledgeable. You've made no case that Trump supporters are less knowledgeable on political matters than those who oppose Trump. Moreover, friend, you haven't demonstrated here on LNF that you or your liberal buddies are more knowledgeable than the rest of us as it relates to politics today. |
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Post by freonbale on Sept 1, 2020 20:47:16 GMT
To me, common means uneducated, as in, commoner. And by uneducated, I mean no four year degree or higher. This cold civil war we are in right now is between educated and uneducated Americans. Those who know more, tend to be against Trump. Those who know less, seem to be for him. Your argument is that those who know less, somehow are more capable of making good choices. My argument? First, let me correct what you have speciously said above. MY argument is that it is not very smart to confuse education with intelligence. Conservatives and Trump supporters display far more intelligence on political matters than do liberals and those who oppose Trump. Higher education is fine as far as it goes, but experience, common sense, thinking critically and a continuing appetite for new information are more indicative of a person's intelligence. The number of degrees that one has is definitely NOT a good indicator of intelligence. BTW, "commoner" is a term typically reserved for use by the arrogant elitists of an imagined monarchy. Such archaic terminology is an anathema to our republican ideals. Elitists are not well regarded in America. That is a bizarre concept, which I cannot think of a single situation that would be true. Would you prefer someone less knowledgeable doing surgery on you? Flying the airplane? Designing the building? Even cooking your food? Most folks have developed expertise in their career field and will far exceed most of us in knowledge on that subject. That's a given. But it's stupid to assume that a surgeon, pilot, architect or chef are political geniuses simply because they have knowledge in their profession. Or a higher degree. A physics professor may have Einstein level knowledge about physics, but still be a moron when the subject is politics, history or philosophy. Your generalizations about education have no meaningful tie to one's political acumen. The only reason I can think of that a less knowledgeable person would say that is to seem like they are equals with those who are. You're not. You ARE equal Americans. Your vote is equal to mine, but in terms of capacity to make good decisions, I fail to see how you can claim that more knowledge is WORSE than less. If you said we are equal, I might bend to your point of view slightly, but you are not saying that. You are saying you are BETTER than me at making decisions. That is a naive, uneducated conclusion to me. Freon Your conclusions are completely wrong here. You've made the fallacious assumption that more education translates both to a higher level of political expertise and the "capacity to make good decisions". Higher education levels do not necessarily equate to the skill to think critically and make those good decisions; you are mistaken in thinking that it does. I've seen doctorate level folks who just have no practical sense at all. No common sense. Let's get this straight. I've made no claim that being less knowledgeable is better than more knowledgeable. You've made no case that Trump supporters are less knowledgeable on political matters than those who oppose Trump. Moreover, friend, you haven't demonstrated here on LNF that you or your liberal buddies are more knowledgeable than the rest of us as it relates to politics today. I just wrote this long diatribe responding to you. It was cathartic. Then I erased it. You have a delusion, and if it makes you feel better about yourself, I'm fine with that. Freon |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 1, 2020 23:26:32 GMT
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Post by archie on Sept 2, 2020 2:45:03 GMT
The usual brainless, illiterate, and ignorant Archie response. But I do not question his right to vote (unless he has a felony conviction, which considering his gun love, is within the realm of possibility). Biden’s pick for VP is raising money to release felons every day. I bet they can vote. Did you know that? |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 2, 2020 3:04:36 GMT
The usual brainless, illiterate, and ignorant Archie response. But I do not question his right to vote (unless he has a felony conviction, which considering his gun love, is within the realm of possibility). Biden’s pick for VP is raising money to release felons every day. I bet they can vote. Did you know that?
Harris is raising money to get Trump's people released?
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 2, 2020 3:55:06 GMT
The way I see it, prior to Trump, no riots. After Trump, riots. They happened on his watch, so he is responsible. Before Trump, no massive unemployment. After Trump, 30+ million unemployed. Before Trump, pandemics managed. After Trump, unmanaged. 180 thousand dead. Country shut down. I ask you Trumpers to look at our country before Trump. It was relatively peaceful, safe. No matter what gains you have now, to say our country is as peaceful as before Trump is a lie. To say it is as safe after Trump, is a lie. The mess our country is in right now is a result of Trump. Freon Before Trump no massive unemployment? Are you crazy? What was it under Obama? Do you know? Trump had it the lowest in decades, more jobs and more people working. More men of all races, more women. The stock market way up and still doing well because they know Trump will be here another four years. The majority of the people are pretty smart. You see, when you pick a person because that is your team mate that is not intelligent. It might be nice of you, but not all good. Forget the (D) or the (R). Go by what that person has proved what he can do for you. Someday there might be a good (D) that I will vote for. It is about time you all drained your own swamp and put some intelligent Americans in charge. And your 180 thousand dead because of the pandemic that was not Trumps fault is BS. 9210.00 people died because of the pandemic. The rest had other sickness going on and were dyeing anyway at a slower pace. The disease made what they had worse and they died sooner. Only those nine thousand were healthy and died from the pandemic. Just so you know. Yes most of the country was peaceful until the democrat party figured out that they couldn’t impeach Trump and all the Russian BS was exposed. So now they are trying rioting. Wake up dum dum.
I guess you've never heard of the Bush Recession?
It was the only extended time where I couldn't find work in the past 45 years. The Obama years were steady employment. Trump? Not so much.
Time for the big jerk to go.
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Post by petep on Sept 2, 2020 17:25:42 GMT
You have to absolutely love the left and just how wacky they are.
Freon openly argues there were NO riots under Obama. He is confronted with links facts and data that his claim is absolutely not true. Far from it
He then sorted he never made the claim NO riots
Then his own words are re posted.
And his comeback is wow, you guys are literal. What I meant was ....
Unbelievable.
I guess this is how a fact based self proclaimed scientist works and thinks.
Doesn’t it even get embarrassing?? Is there any self awareness? At all?
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Post by archie on Sept 2, 2020 18:57:27 GMT
The way I see it, prior to Trump, no riots. After Trump, riots. They happened on his watch, so he is responsible. Before Trump, no massive unemployment. After Trump, 30+ million unemployed. Before Trump, pandemics managed. After Trump, unmanaged. 180 thousand dead. Country shut down. I ask you Trumpers to look at our country before Trump. It was relatively peaceful, safe. No matter what gains you have now, to say our country is as peaceful as before Trump is a lie. To say it is as safe after Trump, is a lie. The mess our country is in right now is a result of Trump. Freon When Trump took over, all was going well. All that you are blaming him for is nonsense. What has caused this downturn from what Trump had as the best in decades is this gift from China. And it is the (D) party that has put the terrorist chant on it, scaring everyone into a hole, shutting everything down and causing Trump to help as much as he can to prevent people from being thrown out of their homes or starving to death. And if that vaccine is here before the election, who is going to get credit for it? Pelosi, Schumer or that skinny neck liar? What the hell is wrong with you people? I have to think some of you are being paid by the democrat party to post here. |
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Post by archie on Sept 2, 2020 19:01:45 GMT
Looks a lot like these people:  How many stores they burn and rob, how many people did they injure, when were they not obeying our laws and police? How much is Pelosi paying you to post here? |
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Post by archie on Sept 2, 2020 19:03:15 GMT
I'll be back. I am going to talk with my dogs and bird. They make more sense than some here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 19:03:32 GMT
Why not lay this at Trump's feet? Well, according to the radical liberal and race agitator, Van Jones, Biden is partially to blame: dailycaller.com/2020/09/02/donald-trump-win-democrats-economic-devastation-riots-cnn-van-jones/Transcript: What Van Jones is admitting here is that the left could have stopped the riots. The left could have prevented the deaths. But they stood idle. Biden stood idle. Maybe this was a coordinated campaign tactic. Maybe it was an ideological bent that caused them all to support this violence through silence. In either case, he's admitting that they had to power to end this violence and did nothing. His words stand in direct contradiction with Joe Biden who claims he was always against the riots and spoke out about it from the beginning. Even though you can't find a single mention of violence up until just a couple of days ago. In fact, all of the left swore up and down that these were peaceful protests. But now they have new marching orders. They are not peaceful protests and it is all Trump's fault, even though Trump is offering to help each of these Democratically controlled cities and they are refusing. Reality is not on the side of the Democrats and they have to find a way to keep the smoke and mirrors going until November 3rd. |
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Post by Odysseus on Sept 3, 2020 7:03:21 GMT
It gets even better.
Trump's lowness knows no lower limit.
Now he's threatening to defund the police forces of Democratic run cities, because they didn't ban peaceful left wing demonstrations enough to his liking.
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