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Post by thecitizen on May 10, 2022 15:23:18 GMT
Maybe you'd need to kill Richard Wagner instead. Or some of the other influences on Hitler. He wasn't spawned in a vacuum. So when is a leader responsible for his leadership
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Post by demos on May 10, 2022 15:25:01 GMT
So when is a leader responsible for his leadership Read all the posts. I am confident you'll be able to figure it out.
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Post by thecitizen on May 10, 2022 15:33:02 GMT
The point is for all those who like to say "Under complete freedom of speech, more persuasive ideas are able to gain more votes and thus more power and control of armies and police than less persuasive ideas." .. how should we or in fact should we stop persuasive ideas that are clearly psychopathic.? Interesting topic. The problem is, “persuasive ideas that are clearly psychopathic” these days are largely defined by people with political agendas. It comes down to people simply unable to handle ideas or opinions that go against their beliefs. Hence, we have cancel culture, and it’s weakening us as a country. It depends on who is canceling. If it is the people, good. The government, bad
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Post by thecitizen on May 10, 2022 15:35:28 GMT
So when is a leader responsible for his leadership Read all the posts. I am confident you'll be able to figure it out. I am reading, son. It is obvious to me that several posters agree with my understanding.
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Post by thecitizen on May 10, 2022 15:38:21 GMT
This is a thread about "free speech" or more accurately.. can or when does free speech go too far. Here we can, at any time in his rise, pull the trigger and a time traveling bullet drops Hitler like RWB dropping an unread science primer.. (Hint: they're all unread.)
Some might say.. kill him in his crib.. or kill his mother. Obviously wrong. He hasn't "Hitler'ed" yet .. Once he begins to "Hitler" is he fair game?
Or .. for you namby pambies... if you prefer, rather than a time traveling bullet killing Hitler .. a temporally agile Mark Zuckerburg bans him from ze ZZocial media of that time ..
The point is for all those who like to say "Under complete freedom of speech, more persuasive ideas are able to gain more votes and thus more power and control of armies and police than less persuasive ideas." .. how should we or in fact should we stop persuasive ideas that are clearly psychopathic.?
you mean like you stating over and over that it wasn't Democrats who started the KKK? This is no a partisan thread you stupid piece of shit. You know who started the KKK? Racist
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Post by thecitizen on May 10, 2022 15:44:23 GMT
Richard Wagner? Are you fucking kidding me? Why not kill dogs while you're at it? Hitler loved dogs. Don't be an idiot, it doesn't suit you. Wagner's operas and his racism were an influence on Hitler and other anti-semites who became Nazis. Hitler's dog wasn't. The issue of the OP is dangerous ideas and expression of those ideas, not pets. The issue of the OP is not that dangerous ideas result in dangerous things happening. It is how those dangerous ideas are utilized by dangerous people
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Post by thecitizen on May 10, 2022 15:53:19 GMT
But isn't that only kicking the can down the road? Or are you suggesting that kicking the can is what is called for? That killing should be the last resort? No, my point is that Hitler's ideology was a product of a number of things: European/German anti-semitism, weird Germanic occult beliefs, etc. If you really want to stop Hitler, you want to stop these ideas before they percolate for so long that they're just part of his cultural milieu. In the case of anti-semitism, you're gonna have to kill some dudes way back in the Middle Ages. As long as we're conducting a time travelling thought experiment, you'd want to nip this in the bud before we even get to Hitler. The idea that slavery was OK came from way back, long before the Middle Ages. Good leadership and progressive ideas changed that. If you have leadership that will condone bad ideas, Q’anon ideology, fake news, racism, etc. It will motivate the like minded and influence the weak minded. The lesson here is not that we can change the past, but we can learn from it
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 16:19:02 GMT
If that isn't the apex of hubris... nothing is. Yeah, I guess the time travelers never got his party invite... ROFL Well, you're being a fucking idiot, but what else is new?
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Post by Monster Man on May 10, 2022 16:20:12 GMT
Yeah, I guess the time travelers never got his party invite... ROFL Well, you're being a fucking idiot, but what else is new? I am not the one who set up a party for time travelers... that never showed. ROFL
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Post by Odysseus on May 10, 2022 16:27:55 GMT
When has time travel ever existed, other than in someone's imagination?
And why make such a fuss over the imaginary?
As for killing Hitler, sure, it would have been better had he met his end before he became chancellor. But that is just casting pebbles in the ocean, and neglecting the ripples.
Do you enjoy acting stupid? Is this My Pillow Guy persona of yours have a purpose? There's no way that a kid in Jr. High couldn't understand and discuss this topic.
You could use some Jr. High school lessons in how to write intelligently.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 10, 2022 16:57:05 GMT
Time Travel is impossible. Are you sure?🤔😉
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Post by Mercy for All on May 10, 2022 16:58:41 GMT
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Post by Mercy for All on May 10, 2022 17:02:56 GMT
No, my point is that Hitler's ideology was a product of a number of things: European/German anti-semitism, weird Germanic occult beliefs, etc. If you really want to stop Hitler, you want to stop these ideas before they percolate for so long that they're just part of his cultural milieu. In the case of anti-semitism, you're gonna have to kill some dudes way back in the Middle Ages. As long as we're conducting a time travelling thought experiment, you'd want to nip this in the bud before we even get to Hitler. The idea that slavery was OK came from way back, long before the Middle Ages. Good leadership and progressive ideas changed that. If you have leadership that will condone bad ideas, Q’anon ideology, fake news, racism, etc. It will motivate the like minded and influence the weak minded. The lesson here is not that we can change the past, but we can learn from it Automation also changed that. If you "want nice things," somebody has to do the work. Before industrialization, that typically meant slaves.
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Post by Mercy for All on May 10, 2022 17:03:35 GMT
But isn't that only kicking the can down the road? Or are you suggesting that kicking the can is what is called for? That killing should be the last resort? No, my point is that Hitler's ideology was a product of a number of things: European/German anti-semitism, weird Germanic occult beliefs, etc. If you really want to stop Hitler, you want to stop these ideas before they percolate for so long that they're just part of his cultural milieu. In the case of anti-semitism, you're gonna have to kill some dudes way back in the Middle Ages. As long as we're conducting a time travelling thought experiment, you'd want to nip this in the bud before we even get to Hitler. Martin Luther didn't help with that. At best, he reflected the sentiment of the time. At worst, he leveraged it and made it worse.
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Post by RWB on May 10, 2022 17:08:07 GMT
you mean like you stating over and over that it wasn't Democrats who started the KKK? You know who started the KKK? Racist YES You Racist Democrats
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Post by Fiddler on May 10, 2022 17:12:44 GMT
Not according to Stephen Hawking, but he was a genius and you're an idiot so... There isn't time travel.
Time travel is not only possible.. it has been demonstrated ..
Stick with what you do best.. lying and dodging questions..
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Post by Fiddler on May 10, 2022 17:14:19 GMT
you mean like you stating over and over that it wasn't Democrats who started the KKK? You know who started the KKK?
Conservatives .. Protecting the supremacy of Whites was paramount.
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Post by freonbale on May 10, 2022 17:16:40 GMT
No, my point is that Hitler's ideology was a product of a number of things: European/German anti-semitism, weird Germanic occult beliefs, etc. If you really want to stop Hitler, you want to stop these ideas before they percolate for so long that they're just part of his cultural milieu. In the case of anti-semitism, you're gonna have to kill some dudes way back in the Middle Ages. As long as we're conducting a time travelling thought experiment, you'd want to nip this in the bud before we even get to Hitler. The idea that slavery was OK came from way back, long before the Middle Ages. Good leadership and progressive ideas changed that. If you have leadership that will condone bad ideas, Q’anon ideology, fake news, racism, etc. It will motivate the like minded and influence the weak minded. The lesson here is not that we can change the past, but we can learn from it Agree, but the only ones who DO learn from history are the ones who are NOT like minded and weak minded. The ones who don't learn will always exist, and always act out of fear and ignorance. And there is no way to change that. So telling them what they are, is a waste of time. All we can really do is compensate for them by predicting their actions, and hardening the system in preparation for them. Freon
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Post by Monster Man on May 10, 2022 17:21:57 GMT
Time travel is not only possible.. it has been demonstrated ..
Stick with what you do best.. lying and dodging questions..
Yeah, OK. We are not talking about relativity here, where if you are traveling faster you experience time differently relative to others... we are talking about literally traveling through time. Not demonstrated.
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Post by Fiddler on May 10, 2022 17:29:44 GMT
Time travel is not only possible.. it has been demonstrated ..
Stick with what you do best.. lying and dodging questions..
Yeah, OK. We are not talking about relativity here, where if you are traveling faster you experience time differently relative to others... we are talking about literally traveling through time. Not demonstrated.
That's not what you said.. Are you asking me to allow you to retract your comment?
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