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Post by thor on Oct 18, 2022 18:40:12 GMT
Bah. I hate when there's a bug in the code for these posts and I'm not wading through our combined butchery to find it. So it'll have to sit as it is. And I'll point out again limey. This is personal for me. My son was just promoted to sergeant in an artillery unit. He already spent a year in Germany doing joint NATO exercises with his unit. He's a prime candidate for being sent to Ukraine if Joe Biden's family gets paid enough by Ukraine's oligarchy to treat our troops as mercenaries. That's not going to happen. We will have a Civil War here in the United States before that will happen. Not the least of reasons being that Kristi Noem is my son's commander in chief and she's part of the antiwar right. She might just keep our National Guard units here in South Dakota to fight the oppression of the federal government trying to send our blood and treasure over seas for the profits of the Western elites.
I've been trying to get that through to you for 8 months. We here in the States do not have the resolve to do this. And I'm skeptical the UK has the resolve either.
As our political parties heave and scramble under our feet looking for constituents, for the first time in my life I'm proud of being from South Dakota as the Republicans evolve into a pro individual liberty anti war party. Turns out I care more about that than about giving Tinder users more time to make bad choices.
I actually volunteered on Stephanie Herseth's behalf in her failed bid for re election losing to Kristi Noem. I spent a decade mocking Thune and Noem as the empty headed "Ken and Barbie" of the American Congress. Now I'm so god damned relieve Ken and Barbie are in ascendance I'll probably volunteer to help Kristi Noem win re election when I'm finally free of family obligations. Fuckin' HILARIOUS! |
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Post by limey² on Oct 18, 2022 19:38:28 GMT
Bah. I hate when there's a bug in the code for these posts and I'm not wading through our combined butchery to find it. So it'll have to sit as it is. And I'll point out again limey. This is personal for me. My son was just promoted to sergeant in an artillery unit. He already spent a year in Germany doing joint NATO exercises with his unit. He's a prime candidate for being sent to Ukraine if Joe Biden's family gets paid enough by Ukraine's oligarchy to treat our troops as mercenaries. That's not going to happen. We will have a Civil War here in the United States before that will happen. Not the least of reasons being that Kristi Noem is my son's commander in chief and she's part of the antiwar right. She might just keep our National Guard units here in South Dakota to fight the oppression of the federal government trying to send our blood and treasure over seas for the profits of the Western elites.
I've been trying to get that through to you for 8 months. We here in the States do not have the resolve to do this. And I'm skeptical the UK has the resolve either.
As our political parties heave and scramble under our feet looking for constituents, for the first time in my life I'm proud of being from South Dakota as the Republicans evolve into a pro individual liberty anti war party. Turns out I care more about that than about giving Tinder users more time to make bad choices.
I actually volunteered on Stephanie Herseth's behalf in her failed bid for re election losing to Kristi Noem. I spent a decade mocking Thune and Noem as the empty headed "Ken and Barbie" of the American Congress. Now I'm so god damned relieve Ken and Barbie are in ascendance I'll probably volunteer to help Kristi Noem win re election when I'm finally free of family obligations. If every country on Earth managed its political affairs in a manner similar to 21st Century Belgium would the world be A. Better B. Worse C. About the same? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 20:07:56 GMT
Bah. I hate when there's a bug in the code for these posts and I'm not wading through our combined butchery to find it. So it'll have to sit as it is. And I'll point out again limey. This is personal for me. My son was just promoted to sergeant in an artillery unit. He already spent a year in Germany doing joint NATO exercises with his unit. He's a prime candidate for being sent to Ukraine if Joe Biden's family gets paid enough by Ukraine's oligarchy to treat our troops as mercenaries. That's not going to happen. We will have a Civil War here in the United States before that will happen. Not the least of reasons being that Kristi Noem is my son's commander in chief and she's part of the antiwar right. She might just keep our National Guard units here in South Dakota to fight the oppression of the federal government trying to send our blood and treasure over seas for the profits of the Western elites.
I've been trying to get that through to you for 8 months. We here in the States do not have the resolve to do this. And I'm skeptical the UK has the resolve either.
As our political parties heave and scramble under our feet looking for constituents, for the first time in my life I'm proud of being from South Dakota as the Republicans evolve into a pro individual liberty anti war party. Turns out I care more about that than about giving Tinder users more time to make bad choices.
I actually volunteered on Stephanie Herseth's behalf in her failed bid for re election losing to Kristi Noem. I spent a decade mocking Thune and Noem as the empty headed "Ken and Barbie" of the American Congress. Now I'm so god damned relieve Ken and Barbie are in ascendance I'll probably volunteer to help Kristi Noem win re election when I'm finally free of family obligations. Why should we believe any of this, you lying turd? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 20:08:54 GMT
Bah. I hate when there's a bug in the code for these posts and I'm not wading through our combined butchery to find it. So it'll have to sit as it is. And I'll point out again limey. This is personal for me. My son was just promoted to sergeant in an artillery unit. He already spent a year in Germany doing joint NATO exercises with his unit. He's a prime candidate for being sent to Ukraine if Joe Biden's family gets paid enough by Ukraine's oligarchy to treat our troops as mercenaries. That's not going to happen. We will have a Civil War here in the United States before that will happen. Not the least of reasons being that Kristi Noem is my son's commander in chief and she's part of the antiwar right. She might just keep our National Guard units here in South Dakota to fight the oppression of the federal government trying to send our blood and treasure over seas for the profits of the Western elites.
I've been trying to get that through to you for 8 months. We here in the States do not have the resolve to do this. And I'm skeptical the UK has the resolve either.
As our political parties heave and scramble under our feet looking for constituents, for the first time in my life I'm proud of being from South Dakota as the Republicans evolve into a pro individual liberty anti war party. Turns out I care more about that than about giving Tinder users more time to make bad choices.
I actually volunteered on Stephanie Herseth's behalf in her failed bid for re election losing to Kristi Noem. I spent a decade mocking Thune and Noem as the empty headed "Ken and Barbie" of the American Congress. Now I'm so god damned relieve Ken and Barbie are in ascendance I'll probably volunteer to help Kristi Noem win re election when I'm finally free of family obligations. Fuckin' HILARIOUS! Broman is a lying turd, he cant' even be consistent for a day! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 23:30:54 GMT
Bah. I hate when there's a bug in the code for these posts and I'm not wading through our combined butchery to find it. So it'll have to sit as it is. And I'll point out again limey. This is personal for me. My son was just promoted to sergeant in an artillery unit. He already spent a year in Germany doing joint NATO exercises with his unit. He's a prime candidate for being sent to Ukraine if Joe Biden's family gets paid enough by Ukraine's oligarchy to treat our troops as mercenaries. That's not going to happen. We will have a Civil War here in the United States before that will happen. Not the least of reasons being that Kristi Noem is my son's commander in chief and she's part of the antiwar right. She might just keep our National Guard units here in South Dakota to fight the oppression of the federal government trying to send our blood and treasure over seas for the profits of the Western elites.
I've been trying to get that through to you for 8 months. We here in the States do not have the resolve to do this. And I'm skeptical the UK has the resolve either.
As our political parties heave and scramble under our feet looking for constituents, for the first time in my life I'm proud of being from South Dakota as the Republicans evolve into a pro individual liberty anti war party. Turns out I care more about that than about giving Tinder users more time to make bad choices.
I actually volunteered on Stephanie Herseth's behalf in her failed bid for re election losing to Kristi Noem. I spent a decade mocking Thune and Noem as the empty headed "Ken and Barbie" of the American Congress. Now I'm so god damned relieve Ken and Barbie are in ascendance I'll probably volunteer to help Kristi Noem win re election when I'm finally free of family obligations. If every country on Earth managed its political affairs in a manner similar to 21st Century Belgium would the world be A. Better B. Worse C. About the same?
Fucked if I know. But it sure would have been nice if Ukraine had used some of that renowned Belgian "policy of mediation" and neutrality that kept Belgium safe from its more powerful neighbors for centuries.
A return question for you limey. When the GOP takes the House next month and cuts the purse strings for Ukraine are the Defenders of Democracy going to accept the results of the democratic process?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 23:33:32 GMT
Another follow up question for you.
Will you give your only begotten Son for Ukraine's fledgling energy industry?
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Post by limey² on Oct 18, 2022 23:56:38 GMT
If every country on Earth managed its political affairs in a manner similar to 21st Century Belgium would the world be A. Better B. Worse C. About the same?
Fucked if I know. But it sure would have been nice if Ukraine had used some of that renowned Belgian "policy of mediation" and neutrality that kept Belgium safe from its more powerful neighbors for centuries.
A return question for you limey. When the GOP takes the House next month and cuts the purse strings for Ukraine are the Defenders of Democracy going to accept the results of the democratic process?
Belgium has not been safe from its powerful neighbours for centuries. It's been safe from them since they became full suffrage democracies with thriving economies, interlinked with each other. There's a difference between "peace" and "not at war". Belgium, France and Germany are at peace with one another. Russia is not at war with Finland. Sweden is at peace with Finland. Sweden and Finland are mass suffrage democracies, with interdependent economies.... hmmm..... Presumably the admirers of despotic Mr Putin in your bizarrely right wing Republican party will see assisting the invasion of Ukraine by Russia as a good thing in itself, but dress it up in the language of isolationism, which worked so well in 1936-41. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 0:23:23 GMT
Fucked if I know. But it sure would have been nice if Ukraine had used some of that renowned Belgian "policy of mediation" and neutrality that kept Belgium safe from its more powerful neighbors for centuries.
A return question for you limey. When the GOP takes the House next month and cuts the purse strings for Ukraine are the Defenders of Democracy going to accept the results of the democratic process?
Belgium has not been safe from its powerful neighbours for centuries. It's been safe from them since they became full suffrage democracies with thriving economies, interlinked with each other. There's a difference between "peace" and "not at war". Belgium, France and Germany are at peace with one another. Russia is not at war with Finland. Sweden is at peace with Finland. Sweden and Finland are mass suffrage democracies, with interdependent economies.... hmmm..... Presumably the admirers of despotic Mr Putin in your bizarrely right wing Republican party will see assisting the invasion of Ukraine by Russia as a good thing in itself, but dress it up in the language of isolationism, which worked so well in 1936-41. That's not true. Belgium literally had a "policy of mediation." They have no defensible borders so they spent centuries keeping their heads down and not offending their more powerful neighbors. In the early 19th century they enacted an official policy of neutrality that kept them safe until Germany got all jiggy with it in WWI and again in WW2. They've been safe ever since because every European nation has been defanged with the United States acting as the world's traffic cops.
Germany's getting all fanged again tho. And experiencing inflation not seen since the aftermath of the Treaty of Versailles. Last time this happened they got all jiggy. Good luck Europe!
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Post by limey² on Oct 19, 2022 1:10:58 GMT
Belgium has not been safe from its powerful neighbours for centuries. It's been safe from them since they became full suffrage democracies with thriving economies, interlinked with each other. There's a difference between "peace" and "not at war". Belgium, France and Germany are at peace with one another. Russia is not at war with Finland. Sweden is at peace with Finland. Sweden and Finland are mass suffrage democracies, with interdependent economies.... hmmm..... Presumably the admirers of despotic Mr Putin in your bizarrely right wing Republican party will see assisting the invasion of Ukraine by Russia as a good thing in itself, but dress it up in the language of isolationism, which worked so well in 1936-41. That's not true. Belgium literally had a "policy of mediation." They have no defensible borders so they spent centuries keeping their heads down and not offending their more powerful neighbors. In the early 19th century they enacted an official policy of neutrality that kept them safe until Germany got all jiggy with it in WWI and again in WW2. They've been safe ever since because every European nation has been defanged with the United States acting as the world's traffic cops.
Germany's getting all fanged again tho. And experiencing inflation not seen since the aftermath of the Treaty of Versailles. Last time this happened they got all jiggy. Good luck Europe!
Bollocks. The territory currently called "Belgium" has had more foreign masters than an orange Republican. Peace in Europe these last several decades - or rather, peace WITHIN Europe- is due to the very wise and farsighted establishment of the EU and its predecessor entities. Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO. |
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Post by Odysseus on Oct 19, 2022 2:48:29 GMT
That's not true. Belgium literally had a "policy of mediation." They have no defensible borders so they spent centuries keeping their heads down and not offending their more powerful neighbors. In the early 19th century they enacted an official policy of neutrality that kept them safe until Germany got all jiggy with it in WWI and again in WW2. They've been safe ever since because every European nation has been defanged with the United States acting as the world's traffic cops.
Germany's getting all fanged again tho. And experiencing inflation not seen since the aftermath of the Treaty of Versailles. Last time this happened they got all jiggy. Good luck Europe!
Bollocks. The territory currently called "Belgium" has had more foreign masters than an orange Republican. Peace in Europe these last several decades - or rather, peace WITHIN Europe- is due to the very wise and farsighted establishment of the EU and its predecessor entities. Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO.
The problem here is that the American Right-wing voting masses enjoy being subjugated to an orange faced master (trump)...
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Post by thor on Oct 19, 2022 12:46:47 GMT
If every country on Earth managed its political affairs in a manner similar to 21st Century Belgium would the world be A. Better B. Worse C. About the same?
Fucked if I know. But it sure would have been nice if Ukraine had used some of that renowned Belgian "policy of mediation" and neutrality that kept Belgium safe from its more powerful neighbors for centuries.
A return question for you limey. When the GOP takes the House next month and cuts the purse strings for Ukraine are the Defenders of Democracy going to accept the results of the democratic process?
Freedom guy one again bleats that a free people should roll over so he can stop voiding himself over the Bear. |
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Post by petep on Oct 19, 2022 12:50:10 GMT
I’m reminded of when saddam tried again to take Kuwait and all were thankful he willingly backed off
Yes. Willingly. Because the UN had amassed troops tanks and air support at the border.
If belgium wasn’t protected as limey said they’d be overrun.
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Post by thor on Oct 19, 2022 12:50:13 GMT
That's not true. Belgium literally had a "policy of mediation." They have no defensible borders so they spent centuries keeping their heads down and not offending their more powerful neighbors. In the early 19th century they enacted an official policy of neutrality that kept them safe until Germany got all jiggy with it in WWI and again in WW2. They've been safe ever since because every European nation has been defanged with the United States acting as the world's traffic cops.
Germany's getting all fanged again tho. And experiencing inflation not seen since the aftermath of the Treaty of Versailles. Last time this happened they got all jiggy. Good luck Europe!
Bollocks. The territory currently called "Belgium" has had more foreign masters than an orange Republican. Peace in Europe these last several decades - or rather, peace WITHIN Europe- is due to the very wise and farsighted establishment of the EU and its predecessor entities. Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO. Off the top of my head (just the big ones) - Romans, Franks, France, Burgundy, Habsburgs (part of the eastern bit), France again. Amazing that Que-Anon can spend so much time 'researching on the Internet' and still fuck up this badly. |
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Post by demos on Oct 19, 2022 14:39:48 GMT
Marshall Law is coming to the annexed provinces: Source
In broader diplomatic news, there's a lot to discuss, starting with Africa: Source
Then there's Central Asia/Caucasus: Source
And last, but not least the Near/Middle East: Source
Source
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Post by demos on Oct 19, 2022 14:55:58 GMT
If every country on Earth managed its political affairs in a manner similar to 21st Century Belgium would the world be A. Better B. Worse C. About the same? Presumably, Belgium manages its foreign affairs - like other states - based on its interests and (perceived/understood) capabilities, such as, seeking sanctions exemptions for Russian diamonds. So, if every nation does that (which they do), the answer is C. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 15:09:22 GMT
That's not true. Belgium literally had a "policy of mediation." They have no defensible borders so they spent centuries keeping their heads down and not offending their more powerful neighbors. In the early 19th century they enacted an official policy of neutrality that kept them safe until Germany got all jiggy with it in WWI and again in WW2. They've been safe ever since because every European nation has been defanged with the United States acting as the world's traffic cops.
Germany's getting all fanged again tho. And experiencing inflation not seen since the aftermath of the Treaty of Versailles. Last time this happened they got all jiggy. Good luck Europe!
Bollocks. The territory currently called "Belgium" has had more foreign masters than an orange Republican. Peace in Europe these last several decades - or rather, peace WITHIN Europe- is due to the very wise and farsighted establishment of the EU and its predecessor entities. Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO. Bollocks indeed. You are doing a Fiddler. Creating a strawman and reinterpreting what I said so you can dismiss it. At least you're not sharing studies on whether or not tobacco causes cancer produced by Phillip Morris to try to prove tobacco doesn't cause cancer the way Fiddler does. So that leaves you a notch above.
Centuries after Rome first encountered the Belgae and gave the region it's name ... Belgium still exists. Why? Because of their "renowned policy of mediation." I'll just link to wiki for convenience for you limey.
As I said, wouldn't that have been delightful if Ukraine had used Belgium as a role model as you suggest? Trying to keep its head down and not annoy its more powerful neighbors? And as I also said, starting in the early 19th century ... Belgium maintained a policy of neutrality. AGAIN a perfect role model for Ukraine. You show surprising wisdom with the selection of Belgium as a role model for how European nations should comport themselves. Why are you trying to backtrack on it? You really should know this stuff limey. Considering your nation was involved in establishing the neutrality for Belgium that they refused to establish with Ukraine
Germany broke that neutrality in WW1 and WW2.
Why was England so willing to sign a neutrality agreement over Belgium with its European Great Power adversaries but not willing to do so with Ukraine?
No oil in Belgium maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 15:12:11 GMT
That's not true. Belgium literally had a "policy of mediation." They have no defensible borders so they spent centuries keeping their heads down and not offending their more powerful neighbors. In the early 19th century they enacted an official policy of neutrality that kept them safe until Germany got all jiggy with it in WWI and again in WW2. They've been safe ever since because every European nation has been defanged with the United States acting as the world's traffic cops.
Germany's getting all fanged again tho. And experiencing inflation not seen since the aftermath of the Treaty of Versailles. Last time this happened they got all jiggy. Good luck Europe!
Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO.
Yeah. That's what I said.
The United States.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2022 15:12:45 GMT
Bollocks. The territory currently called "Belgium" has had more foreign masters than an orange Republican. Peace in Europe these last several decades - or rather, peace WITHIN Europe- is due to the very wise and farsighted establishment of the EU and its predecessor entities. Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO. Off the top of my head (just the big ones) - Romans, Franks, France, Burgundy, Habsburgs (part of the eastern bit), France again. Amazing that Que-Anon can spend so much time 'researching on the Internet' and still fuck up this badly. Shh. Adults are talking. |
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Post by limey² on Oct 19, 2022 17:45:18 GMT
If every country on Earth managed its political affairs in a manner similar to 21st Century Belgium would the world be A. Better B. Worse C. About the same? Presumably, Belgium manages its foreign affairs - like other states - based on its interests and (perceived/understood) capabilities, such as, seeking sanctions exemptions for Russian diamonds. So, if every nation does that (which they do), the answer is C. Really? Or is ideology tinkering here? If every nation managed its affairs similarly to how Belgium does, would any nation be under sanctions for brutally attacking Ukraine? |
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Post by limey² on Oct 19, 2022 17:49:02 GMT
Bollocks. The territory currently called "Belgium" has had more foreign masters than an orange Republican. Peace in Europe these last several decades - or rather, peace WITHIN Europe- is due to the very wise and farsighted establishment of the EU and its predecessor entities. Peace, or rather, the absence of war, between West and East is ascribable to NATO. Bollocks indeed. You are doing a Fiddler. Creating a strawman and reinterpreting what I said so you can dismiss it. At least you're not sharing studies on whether or not tobacco causes cancer produced by Phillip Morris to try to prove tobacco doesn't cause cancer the way Fiddler does. So that leaves you a notch above.
Centuries after Rome first encountered the Belgae and gave the region it's name ... Belgium still exists. Why? Because of their "renowned policy of mediation." I'll just link to wiki for convenience for you limey.
As I said, wouldn't that have been delightful if Ukraine had used Belgium as a role model as you suggest? Trying to keep its head down and not annoy its more powerful neighbors? And as I also said, starting in the early 19th century ... Belgium maintained a policy of neutrality. AGAIN a perfect role model for Ukraine. You show surprising wisdom with the selection of Belgium as a role model for how European nations should comport themselves. Why are you trying to backtrack on it? You really should know this stuff limey. Considering your nation was involved in establishing the neutrality for Belgium that they refused to establish with Ukraine
Germany broke that neutrality in WW1 and WW2.
Why was England so willing to sign a neutrality agreement over Belgium with its European Great Power adversaries but not willing to do so with Ukraine?
No oil in Belgium maybe?
The Begiques (both Cloggies and Froggies versions) have, mediation or not, been trampled over by foreign armies more often than they've slurped fruity beers. As, indeed, have most European territories. Not recently though.... what's changed.... oooh.... |
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